Sistemi za akustično (zvukometrijsko) izviđanje

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Sistemi za akustično (zvukometrijsko) izviđanje

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Dylan Dog ::Akusticki sistemi za otkrivanje aviona su postojali u drugom svetskom ratu, i ranije.

Ali su zato bili ogromni.

Pa eto sad bi mogli okačit podatke o kojem savremenijem sistemu i to ne samo za lociranje aviona več i tenkova,pešadije... da vidimo dokle je tehnologija stigla, kako se ti sistemi zovu, kakve su konstrukcije itd..



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Rafael iz Izraela, laki prenosni akustični sistem






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Nisam strucnjak za otkrivanje aviona pomocu SZI.
Mislim da je lako odrrediti smer dolaska aviona dok je lokaciju teze odrediti zbog doplerovog efekta.
Sto se tice otkrivanja aviona, bez upotrebe radara, evo jedne ideje: Posto piloti moraju komunicirati preko odredjenih komunikacionih uredjaja, obicno na vVVF/UVF opsegu, moguće ih je locirati upotrebom radio-goniometraskih uređaja koji određuju radio-smer i elevacioni ugao.

Sto se tice sistema za akusticko izvidjanje jedinica pesadije, vozila tackasa i slicno, postoje razni senzorski uređaji koji rade na principu akustickog talasa, vibracije itd.
Izvidjacke jedinice sirom sveta uveliko koriste te uređaje.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmXY-heGKY
vec ga koriste u Iraku

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Sistemi za zvukovno izviđanje su korisceni i kod nas u sastavu vojske republike srpske krajine se nalazila baterija namenjena zvukovnom izvidjanja. U prvom i drugom svetskom ratu zvucno izviđanje se koristilo za otkrivanje polozaja neprijateljskih avijona i usmeravanje vatre PVO topova. Zbog velike brzine savremenih aviona mislim da ovakvi sistemi danas sistemi nisu efikasni za njihovo otrivanje ali bi mogli da se upotebe za određevanje polozaja neprijateljske artiljerije i niskoletecih helikoptera. Radari zbog radarskih maski imaju problema u otkrivanju helikoptera dok njihovo prisustvo mogu da otkrijem sluhom i bez uređeja za zvukovno izviđanja daleko pre nego sto se pojave. U ovoj temi se nalaze slike nekih sistema za zvukovno izviđanje tako da ako nekog zanima kako su ranije oni izgledali moze da ih pogleda.

http://www.mycity-military.com/viewtopic.php?t=76746&start=60

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Veliki_Blek ::.... Zbog velike brzine savremenih aviona mislim da ovakvi sistemi danas sistemi nisu efikasni za njihovo otrivanje ....

http://www.mycity-military.com/viewtopic.php?t=76746&start=60


Ako imaš jedan sistem onda si upravu, ali ako imaš celu mrežu takvih sistema onda bi mogao odrediti grub položaj aviona a to bi pomoglo optelekroniki da "pogleda" u pravom pravcu za tačniji položaj.

Inače tražeči po internetu nisam našao puno sistema za zvukometrisko lociranje...ustvari našao sam samo jedan i to po zaslugi arams-a. Sistem se zove Helispot a pravi ga Izraelski Rafael:

http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/area.aspx?FolderID=283&docID=931




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Malo kasni ova moja poruka, ali recimo na Vojnotehničkom institutu (VTI) je razvijen i koristi se takav sistem već nekoliko godina (poslednje slike na ovom linku, imate tu i prikazan radio-goniometar koji je takođe razvio VTI: vti.mod.gov.rs/vti/lab/1digit.htm).

Demonstracija rada ova dva sistema se mogla videti uživo na sajmu naoružanja "Partner 2009" u junu ove godine.

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Malo novina.

Super listening device hears and identifies any sound

Zanimljiv je način sa kojim detektuje zvuk: sastoji se iz dve žice iz platine, koje se zagrejavaju na 200 stepeni Celzijusa. Kada zvučni talas prođe pored žice on jih nejednako hladi i uz pomoč te razlike u temperaturi i nejednakoči moguče je odrediti iz kog pravca dolazi zvuk i njegovu vrstu.
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The subtle art of listening, allegedly the keystone of successful marriages, has a defensive role in the chaos of war, too. A Dutch firm is shopping to world militaries a tiny device that listens for screams, gunshots, mortars and even warplanes. It doesn't listen in the conventional sense, but instead measures the 3D movement of individual air particles in order to determine the x, y and z coordinates of whatever made the noise in question.

To do this, Netherlands-based Microflown Technologies is using technology that it developed, called acoustic vector sensing (AVS). The sensor is smaller than a match head. At its heart are two platinum strips, each 200-nanometers thick (about 600 atoms across) by 10 micrometers wide. They're stretched parallel across a gap and heated to 200 degrees Celsius when operating.

Air particles flowing past the strips cool them unevenly. The pattern of cooling and heating is analyzed by signal-processing software, created by Microflown, in a compact PC, such as the CompuLab fit-PC2.

Hans-Elias de Bree, who invented AVS and who co-founded Microflown, says a soldier near-instantaneously sees not only where the sound originated, but also information about the sound, such as what make of weapon.

It can also be used to pick out sounds from a crowd or a line of cars at a checkpoint. In the case of an aircraft, the device (unhelpfully named the Microflown) can plot its location in real-time 3D. In fact, the soldier could effectively act as an air traffic controller, guiding multiple planes, and in zero visibility if necessary.

There are other technologies that can localize sounds and trace their origin, but some of them use radar, which can itself be traced back to its source. Others require significant infrastructure like weather stations. And yet others are passive like Microflown, but require soldiers to deploy large devices or even arrays of devices.

AVS can benefit from multiple devices being deployed, according to de Bree, but because the sensor is measuring the motions of individual air particles, it doesn't have to triangulate sound waves to determine location.

He wouldn't say who has placed orders, but de Bree says Microflown tech is being tested by the armies of the Netherlands, Germany, India, Poland, New Zealand and Australia.

http://dvice.com/archives/2010/03/super-listening.php

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Citat:They had us testing various devices like this in the Marine Corps for infantry companies. The idea is sound and there are some cities that use the idea to try and track down where gunshots are coming from, but I have yet to see anything worth a damn that is actually mobile and does what it intends.

The idea is that you can find a sniper shooting at you by looking at some little screen and get an idea where it came from. However, the problems that constantly came up while we were fooling around with these were things like batteries running out or unavailable; explosions taking precedence over the detector's reading; explosions knocking out the detector's systems entirely; and extreme temperature and sand screwing with them.

If this can handle all those problems then maybe it has some merit. I'm gonna guess that it doesn't.





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Koliko se secam te sprave su koriscene i 99 na Kosovu za otkrivanje polozaja nase Artiljerije i MB Podrske..

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I mi imamo zvukomerače u okviru artiljerisko-izviđačkog diviziona(ako se ne varam), za otkrivanje položaja neprijateljske artiljerije.

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