Specijalna operacija RF, LNR i DNR u Ukrajini

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Specijalna operacija RF, LNR i DNR u Ukrajini

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sad kad već cijepamo dlaku na atome, zanimljivo je da navodna eksplozija glave ima jak eho s periodom oko 0.2 sekunde, kojem amplituda jedva da opada s vremenom. Normalno bi se tako nešto možda moglo javiti u planinama, ali u ovoj ravničetini, hmm...

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Meni izgleda da ovaj kalibar leti skroz drugom putanjom od ove gdje vidimo nekakav pogodak.

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https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1608578877982638086


GP":Bespilotne letjelice Geran-2 stigle su u Zaporožje i Dnjepropetrovsk."

Ne fali dosta pa če se struja u Ukrajini ugasiti u potpunosti. Sistem je vrlo uzdrman. Još malo.

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Interesantan clanak Wasington posta o ukrajinskim uspesima kod Izjuma i Hersona. Ako zanemarimo gomilu magle i hvalospeva, ima i nekih cinjenica.

Citat:n the early stages of the war, Russia had converted Izyum into a military stronghold, eyeing the city as the base for a pincer movement that would surround Ukrainian forces in the east. At the height of its preparations, according to Syrsky, Russia had amassed 24 battalion tactical groups — about 18,000 troops — in Izyum and surrounding towns, along with stockpiles of weapons and ammunition.

By August, in part thanks to detailed intelligence supplied by the United States, Syrsky saw that the number of battalions in Izyum had dropped by at least half, as Russia relocated its most experienced fighters to Kherson.

U.S. intelligence helped ration the ammunition through accurate targeting. After many months, according to U.S. and Ukrainian officials, the two partners had worked out a real-time regimen: The Ukrainians would outline the types of high-value targets they were looking for in an area, and the United States would use its vast geospatial intelligence apparatus to respond with precise locations.

The Americans, however, were not deeply involved in planning the Kharkiv offensive and learned about it relatively late, according to U.S. and Ukrainian officials.

Despite attempts at secrecy, the Russians eventually realized that the Ukrainians were up to something.

Thanks to Russian bureaucracy, Syrsky said, the information “didn’t reach anyone or it wasn’t taken into account.”

At the Pentagon, officials suspected that Russia’s leadership didn’t fully realize the vulnerabilities on the Kharkiv front because battlefield commanders were lying. Another hypothesis, a senior U.S. defense official said, was that Russia saw the onslaught coming but didn’t have enough men to stop it.


Kao, ameri im dali sve podatke, ali nisu znali sta se sprema Very Happy

Dalje se indirektno priznaje da su se spremali na neku sveobuhvatnu ofanzivu na jugu, jos prosle godine, i proigravali varijante na ruski odgovor. Dalje priznaju da su nameravali da sruse Kahovsku branu, to su i testirali (kao pazili da ne potope sela).

Citat:To decide how to go about the operation, Ukrainian commanders arrived in Germany last July for a war-gaming session with their American and British counterparts.

At the time, the Ukrainians were considering a far broader counteroffensive across the entire southern front, including a drive to the coast in the Zaporizhzhia region that would sever Moscow’s coveted “land bridge” connecting mainland Russia with Crimea, which was illegally annexed in 2014.

In a room full of maps and spreadsheets, the Ukrainians ran their own “tabletop exercise,” describing the order of battle — what formations they would use, where the units would go and in what sequence — and the likely Russian response.

The American and British war-gamers ran their own simulations using the same inputs but different software and analysis. They couldn’t get the operation to work.

Given the numbers of Ukrainian troops and available stockpiles of ammunition, the planners concluded that the Ukrainians would exhaust their combat power before achieving the offensive’s objectives.

“This was them asking for our advice,” said a senior U.S. defense official, who like others in this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military planning. “And our advice was, ‘Hey, guys, you’re going to bite off more than you can chew. This isn’t going to work out well.’”

Beyond the risk of running out of steam, a Zaporizhzhia offensive might have pushed Ukrainian forces into a pocket the Russians could surround with reinforcements sent along two axes, from Crimea and Russia.

“Our commanders thought the Ukrainians left pretty determined that they were going to do the whole thing anyway — just that there was a lot of pressure to do the whole thing,” the defense official said.

The White House reiterated the U.S. military’s analysis in talks with Zelensky’s office.

National security adviser Jake Sullivan talked to the Ukrainian president’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, about the plans for a broad southern counteroffensive, according to people familiar with the discussions.

he Ukrainians accepted the advice and undertook a narrower campaign focused on Kherson city, which sits on the west side of the Dnieper River, separated from Russian-held territory to the east.

“I give the Ukrainians a lot of credit,” the defense official said. “They allowed reality to move them toward a more limited set of objectives in Kherson. And they were nimble enough to exploit an opportunity in the north. That’s a lot.”

Kovalchuk set out to bisect the Russian-occupied area on the west side of the Dnieper and trap the Russian forces. “My task was not only to liberate the territory,” he said. “My task from the start was to occlude and destroy the force. That is, to not let them leave or exist.”

ailing that, the goal was to force them to flee. The 25,000 Russian troops in that portion of Kherson, separated by the broad river from their supplies, had been placed in a highly exposed position. If enough military pressure was applied, Moscow would have no choice but to retreat, Kovalchuk said.

Russia had to arm and feed its forces via three crossings: the Antonovsky Bridge, the Antonovsky railway bridge and the Nova Kakhovka dam, part of a hydroelectric facility with a road running on top of it.

There were moments when we turned off their supply lines completely, and they still managed to build crossings,” Kovalchuk said. “They managed to replenish ammunition. … It was very difficult.”

Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages.

The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off.


Citat:ovalchuk was insisting it was just a matter of time before the Russians retreated — the leaves were about to fall off the trees, the river would freeze in winter, the Russian forces were running low on supplies.

But for Kyiv, Kovalchuk wasn’t moving fast enough. He was replaced by Brig. Gen. Oleksandr Tarnavsky, a deputy of Syrsky’s during the Kharkiv operation.

A senior Ukrainian government official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, said Kovalchuk “wasn’t getting the job done.”


Evo linka, https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/uk.....n-donetsk/, posto je iza pejvola, ko hoce da cita, moze da ubaci link na https://archive.org

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Rece Dejan Beric veceras u videu


da Rusi nisu oborili ono (on rece raketa) sto je gadjalo bazu Engels nego da je palo na neki objekat i ubilo tri vojnika. Je li ovo vec drugi ili treci put da im gadjaju bazu, kako je moguce da ne mogu napraviti neku zastitu? Ili ako vec ne mogu, sto ne maknu tehniku odatle?

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Naravno da nisu oborili, to je priča za široke narodne mase.

https://t.me/xronikabpla/3021

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Pokazivanje ove trudničke uniforme... Znam da ih ima širom svijeta. U miru, ok... Ali u ratu, gdje nema sigurnog vojnog objekta u Ukrajini...


Arrow https://t.me/XU_kraine/28702

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Wrangler ::Meni izgleda da ovaj kalibar leti skroz drugom putanjom od ove gdje vidimo nekakav pogodak.

https://mobile.twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1608708404037709824

"QED, čak je i proizvođač lažnjaka Geraschenko morao priznati da je ovo lažnjak, to je arhivska fotografija obuke ukrajinskih posada za MANPAD" Mr. Green

Došli do kraja kad odjednom izlazi, da je ovo "fake". :Z. Al smo potrošili vremena da smo došli do toga.

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@Bobrock
Neka smo došli do kraja, te priče su prava vrednost ovog foruma, ja sam puno naučio o MANPADS kroz ovih nekoliko postova, a sigurno nisam jedini.
Pravo osveženje u poplavi naricanja zbog ruske "propasti".

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