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Energija i energenti kao strateško oruđe odvraćanja

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Tako je kolega . Smajli

Citat:The Battle of Umm Qasr was the first military confrontation in the Iraq War. At the start of the war, one of the first objectives was the port of Umm Qasr. On March 21, 2003, as allied forces advanced across Southern Iraq, an amphibious landing force captured the new port area of Umm Qasr.

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Rat u Iraku je bio rat za naftu ,rat u Afganu je rat za drogu ,rat za Kosovo je rat za najvece rezerve lignita u Evropi ( moguca sirovina za sinteticko gorivo ) i jos sto sta ...

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Ova tema u kontekstu u kome je zamisljena vec postoji:
http://www.mycity-military.com/Vesti-i-aktuelna-vo.....drugi.html

U njoj se moglo pisati sve vezano za resurse i sukobe oko njih ukljucujuci i gas zbog koje je ova tema otvorena.

Medjutim moj komentar na strani 4 ove teme pocinje kao replika te iako ima jedan manji deo o gasu sadrzi i dosta drugih informacija tako da je primereno da bude u temi o Ukrajini, molim moderatore da ga prebace tamo i da ovu temu spoje sa postojecom ciji sam link dao a iz cijeg se naslova i uvoda vidi da je obuhvatila sve vezno za znacajne resurse u kontekstu bilo kakvog rata pa i kako ova tema kaze odvracanja.

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thunder ::
Gradi li se i jedan od tih plinovoda kolega?


Gradi se:
Citat:
Azerbaijan gas pipeline aims to carve out a niche across Europe

By Guy Chazan
Shah Deniz gasfield©Roussel Marc

For a decade, the EU has nurtured an almost absurdly ambitious plan – to pump natural gas from the Caspian Sea thousands of miles into the heart of Europe, and so reduce its heavy reliance on gas from Russia. When that plan finally got the go-ahead in December, it felt like a bit of a damp squib.

Agreements signed in Baku, Azerbaijan’s capital, will see a BP-led consortium start work on Shah Deniz II – a $28bn natural gas project in the Azeri sector of the Caspian that has been on the drawing board for years. The gas they produce will be sent through two enormous pipelines, one called Tanap and running the length of Turkey, and the other stretching across Greece into Italy, called TAP. The whole endeavour – gasfield, pipelines and all – is expected to cost about $45bn.

Yet the amount of gas that will actually be piped into the EU is small – 10bn cubic metres per annum, which represents just 2 per cent of the 500 bcm Europe consumes every year. Gazprom, Russia’s state-controlled gas exporter, sells 15 times that amount to Europe. No wonder its managers privately joke that the Azeri gas will be “just about enough for a barbecue”.

But the project’s supporters say volumes are not everything.

“This is a big exercise in diversification, both of routes and source,” says Riccardo Puliti, head of energy and natural resources at the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, which is planning to lend $200m to Lukoil, one of Shah Deniz II’s partners.

For Mr Puliti, the trick is to look away from Italy to the other potential markets that the Azeri gas can supply. Up till now, Europe has been dominated by huge Soviet-era pipelines running east-to-west, from the vast gasfields of Siberia to the big consuming nations such as Germany, with branches into each of the former Soviet-bloc states. The “southern energy corridor” formed by Tanap and TAP breaks that pattern by forming new supply routes that run both east-to-west and south-to-north. That is a big advantage to countries that are currently dependent on Russian gas for their energy needs.

For example, 1 bcm of the Azeri gas will be sold to Bulgaria each year under long-term contracts. Meanwhile, construction of the Ionian-Adriatic Pipeline, which will link up with TAP in Albania, will bring the gas through Montenegro and Bosnia to Croatia. That will be a particular boon for Montenegro, which so far has no connection at all to the gas network.

The other crucial aspect of the new corridor is that it could ultimately be expanded to take in more gas from other sources, not just Azerbaijan. “There are many options for incremental flows into [TAP and Tanap], for example, from other fields in Azerbaijan, as well as Turkmenistan, Cyprus and even northern Iraq,” says Leslie Palti-Guzman, a global gas analyst at the risk consultancy Eurasia Group.

Indeed, since phase two of Shah Deniz was first mooted, the supply picture has changed significantly. Huge volumes of gas have been discovered in the eastern Mediterranean and in Iraqi Kurdistan. Gas from Leviathan, a big field found off the coast of Israel in 2010, could easily end up feeding into Tanap, as could Aphrodite, in Cypriot waters, and Apsheron – another Azeri gasfield being developed by France’s Total – though it will take many years for this to happen.

The other critical aspect of the southern corridor is the nature of the gas sales contracts BP and its partners have signed with European buyers, which differ markedly from Gazprom’s. The Russian company traditionally charges its customers prices indexed to oil. Though some of the Shah Deniz contracts are also oil-linked, others are priced off European gas trading hubs.

“This means that there will be pressure on Gazprom to introduce more of an element of hub-based indexation into its contracts,” says Massimo di Odoardo, an analyst at the energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie.

Gazprom is already under pressure concerning pricing. The company has been investigated by the European Commission for allegedly abusing its market dominance in eastern Europe by overcharging customers, restricting the resale of its gas and blocking rival sources of supply. Gazprom announced in December that it would seek a compromise solution, shortly before the commission was to issue formal antitrust charges.

But despite that truce, the company is likely to continue to face requests from customers – especially in western Europe – to end oil-indexation.

Despite all the pomp that accompanied the signing of the Shah Deniz II agreements, uncertainties remain. Some experts, for instance, wonder whether Europe will even need Azerbaijan’s gas. The continent has seen a sharp fall-off in gas demand, partly due to economic weakness, and partly because cheap American coal displaced by the US shale gas boom has undercut gas in power generation.

However, most forecasts suggest that European gas demand will pick up again in the next decade and possibly earlier – just in time for Shah Deniz’s gas, which starts flowing into Europe in 2019. EU carbon taxes will force the substitution of coal with less-polluting gas, and gas-fired power is widely seen as an ideal back-up to intermittent renewables such as wind and solar. Meanwhile, declining indigenous production of gas will increase demand for imports of the fuel.

“We’re moving to a low-carbon economy, and . . . gas [from Azerbaijan] will have a big role to play in that,” says the EBRD’s Mr Puliti.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/174b403e-6c87-11e3-ad36-.....z2y0Wv7kcQ

Citat:Turkey, Azerbaijan gas pipeline construction to start 2014

...Speaking at a joint press conference with Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev in Baku, Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Turkey's cabinet had paved the way for construction by nationalizing the area where the pipeline would pass through...

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/132917/turkey-az.....start-2014

ako su već nacionalizovali zemlju kuda treba da prođe znači da je gradnja praktično već počela

Dopuna: 05 Apr 2014 13:04

thunder :: Zašto bi SAD podržali te projekte, kada bi im to povećalo konkurenciju, suzilo tržište i znatno smanjilo profit?

Iz istih razloga iz kojih su recimo pustili japansku auto industriju na svoje tržište (što je bila veoma loša vest za Ford i Dženeral motors). Razmisli malo i videćeš da je dugoročna državna strategija mnogo krupnija stavka od kratkoročnog profita nekoliko firmi.

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@ray ...Nikako netreba podceniti amere jer ko sto vec rece neko,oni svoje ciljeve ostvaruju vecinom jer inace ne bi doveli u situaciju ruje da se sada grcevito brane.Trudim se da stvari sagledam nepristrasno koliko mogu.Problem Rusije je taj sto je od Katarine Velike koja je govorila ''jedini nacin da sacuvam svoju imperiju je taj da je konstantno sirim'',u stalmoj defanzivi.Amerika shvata reci Katarine Velike i stalno siri svoj uticaj i svoju imperiju.Zaist nema stajanja,ili napredujes ili nazadujes.Gore pomenuti gasovodi za Kinu i Indiju su glavni uzrok problema jer buduce prognoze slike sveta kazu da kultura tj civilizacija koja nema 1milijardu ljudi nema sta da trazi u toj utakmici buducnosti.Kina i Indija su civilizacija za sebe a amari pokusavaju da ujedine celusevernu hemisferu i sa njom svu belu hriscansku rasu u civilizaciju koja ce da se suprostavi Aziji i igra tu buducu utakmicu.Sibir je cilj a Ukrajina i Sirija kamencici na tom putu,kao sto je bila i Srbija.Rusija je ogromna prepreka ali prvi put u novijoj istoriji suocena sa brojcanom slaboscu tj 800 miliona amera i evropljana naspram 150 miliona Rusa.U ratovima sa Nemcima uvek su bili triput mnogobrojniji pa su imali problema.Rusija gasom pomaze rast i jacanje azijata i time uskace sebi u stomak jer cim bude prilike Kinezi ce im oteti sibir jer je nebranjiv od Kineza.Oni to kapiraju i zato cute oko Ukrajne jer im sve ide u prilog,dok se belci kolju oni napreduju-superiska.Nebih da zvucim kao neki rasista ali to je bilo i ostalo veliko pitanje.U skorijoj istoriji belci su vladali ,Rusi velikim prostanstvima Azije kao osvajaci takodje smo pokorili Ameriku i u sustini vladali planetom>Sva prica se svodi dali ce to tako ostati ili ce mo planetu ostaviti na upravljanje Aziji.

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Dosta toga si u pravu kolega .O gubljenju svoje teritorije na ovaj ili onaj nacin kod Rusa ima na temi o Rusiji u kantini pa da se ne ponavljamo ... ( za 150 godina su ostali bez 6 mil. km² sa nekadasnjih 23 700 000 km² Carska Rusija 1866 na sadasnjih oko 17 mil. km² RF ) ...

Pa ipak su i dalje prostorna najveca drzava na planeti sa najvecim resursima pogotovo nafte ( moguce rezerve ) i gas ( poznate ) a tek voda !

Citat:Bajkalsko jezero ima u sebi toliko vode da bi u slucaju da sva ostala voda na svetu nestane, samo Bajkalsko jezero moglo da snabdeva ceo svet tokom 10 godina.

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Ovo je tema pre svega o energetici. Teorije zavere u vezi vode koje inace plasiraju dokoni Ameri ostavite za kantinu.

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mean_machine ::Ovo je tema pre svega o energetici. Teorije zavere u vezi vode koje inace plasiraju dokoni Ameri ostavite za kantinu.

Te gluposti nisu vredne ni kantine.

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[quote="versus"]Napisano: 05 Apr 2014 12:52


Gradi se:
Citat:
Azerbaijan gas pipeline aims to carve out a niche across Europe

Ne gradi se još, tek je potpisan ugovor. Ja ne tvrdim da se taj plinovod neće realizirati, iako je preskup. 45 milijardi $US nije malo, a biće i više kad se svedu računi. Na tom prijektu insistira BP, ali svejedno, to neće u značajnoj mjeri poremetiti rusku opskrbu EU. Smatram da plinovodi iz Perzijskog zaljeva i Sirije ka EU još dugo neće biti izgrađeni. Tek njihovom izgradnjom u potpunosti bi mogao biti zamijenjen ruski plin. Ali sumnjam da će odgovara interesima SAD, koje su uložile ogroman novac u izgradnju LNG terminala za izvoz i, najblaže rečeno, neće stimulirati konkurenciju. Biće to rat za tržište plina u EU, i tu se neće birati sredstva.
Ipak, kao što sam već rekao,ovo je isključivo moje mišljenje.

Yet the amount of gas that will actually be piped into the EU is small – 10bn cubic metres per annum, which represents just 2 per cent of the 500 bcm Europe consumes every year. Gazprom, Russia’s state-controlled gas exporter, sells 15 times that amount to Europe. No wonder its managers privately joke that the Azeri gas will be “just about enough for a barbecue”.

thunder :: Zašto bi SAD podržali te projekte, kada bi im to povećalo konkurenciju, suzilo tržište i znatno smanjilo profit?

Iz istih razloga iz kojih su recimo pustili japansku auto industriju na svoje tržište (što je bila veoma loša vest za Ford i Dženeral motors). Razmisli malo i videćeš da je dugoročna državna strategija mnogo krupnija stavka od kratkoročnog profita nekoliko firmi.


Možda ovo nije adekvatno poređenje, uz dužno poštovanje. EU želi više izvora snabdijevanja plinom,veću konkurenciju i nižu cijenu plina , a ne SAD. SAD javno podržavaju slobodno tržište i konkurenciju, a u stvarnosti prave opstrukcije gdje god mogu i teže povlaštenom položaju,ako je monopol prejaka riječ.
Inače, dovođenje japanskih investitora u auto-industriju SAD bio je jedan od stubova Reganomije. Dovesti njihov kapital i tehnologiju na američko tržište i prodrmati, navesti na modernizaciju učmalu, samodovoljnu i na monopolu uspavanu auto-industriju SAD - to je bio strateški cilj. A zatim stečeni profit od prodaje ponovo uložiti u ekonomiju SAD. I to je uspjelo i još uvijek uspijeva.
Slažem se potpuno sa vama da dugoročna državna energetska strategija mora biti ispred kratkoročnih interesa, bilo čijih. A SAD upravo to i čine jer će 2016. godine prestat davati stotine milijardi dolara za uvoz nafte. Postaće samodovoljni u podmirivanju svojih potreba i izvozit će viškove. SAD do sada nisu izvozile značajne količine LNG, ali 2016. će postati lider u izvozu tečnog plina dobijenog iz škriljaca. Evropske takse na taj plin zbog onečišćenja? Sjetite se otpora GMO hrani.....SAD ujedinjuju države zapadne kulture, ali pod svojim liderstvom....Kao što već rekoh gore, biće to rat za tržište plina u svijetu, ne samo u EU i neće se birati sredstva.
Plinovod Azerbejdžan - Turska? Preko?? Irana možda...???? Nisam vidio kartu pa ne znam detalje...Ako imate više informacija o tom projektu, molio bih da ih stavite...

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Pa valjda je voda/vodena energija / jedna od `komponenti` energetike ...

Citat:Klasični izvori energije su:

drvo
ugalj
nafta
prirodni gas
vodena energija
atomska ili nuklearna energija


Arrow http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energetika

A da li je podatak proizvod americke `suplje price` to je nesto drugo ... Valjda na temi mozemo komentarisati sve sto je u vezi sa energetskim resursima ( dakle onim koji se navode u clanku ) ?

Znaci jel ostajemo na nafti ,gasu ili mozemo da pridodamo i ostale cinioce ovog sektora privredjivanja ?

Naslov teme je

Energija i energenti kao strateško oruđe odvraćanja

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