Jermenija vs Azerbejdzan sukobi oko Nagorno-Karabaha

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crnitrn ::Qarasu ::We are agressors because we want to liberate our lands? Was Serbia an agressor in Kosovo (I'm not saying Serbia is an agressor, just a question).

Don't forget that Armenia also occupies 7 districts around Nagorno Karabakh and have driven almost 1 million Azerbaijan from their homeland.
I dont think so you take it land 100 years ago with USSR and then armenia liberate and now you wany it to recapture. And that got nothing to do with kosovo same agresor as you.! kraj offa

Before the Russian conquest in early 1800s there was the Karabakh Khanate. It was an Azerbaijani Khanate, semi-independent vassal of Iranian Shah (BTW, the dynasty that ruled Iran at that time, the Qajars, were an Azerbaijani tribe). Karabakh Khanate of course ceased to exist under the Russian rule.

Russians settled a large number of Armenians in both present-day Armenia (formerly Khanate of Yerevan, also an Azerbaijani Khanate) and Karabakh in 1800s from Iran. These are very well documented.

And after the dissolution of Russian Empire in 1918 and the establishment of Azerbaijani and Armenian Republics, Karabakh were within borders of the newly created Azerbaijani Republic.

So how did USSR "give" Karabakh to Azerbaijan?

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Qarasu ::We are agressors because we want to liberate our lands? Would you consider Serbia an agressor in Kosovo? (I'm not saying Serbia is an agressor, just a question)

Don't forget that Armenia also occupies 7 districts around Nagorno Karabakh and have driven out 600 thousand Azerbaijan from their homeland.

No, no. Serbia and Azerbaijan are in very similar position. Part of the Internationally recognized territory, inhabited by 90% of enemy population. Politically State of Serbia will always support Azerbaijan. Emotionally Serbs will support Armenians, due to religion. Serbs are completely torn in this conflict, and IMHO we should stay neutral and objective as much as possible.

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A.R.Chafee.Jr. ::Ne zarezujte dilberče, od njega ič nema krsvetni aberi.

Do you have anything to say other than petty insults?

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Evo totalni off i totalno laicko razmisljanje, zar sada ne bi bilo idealno vreme za Haftara da pokrene neku operaciju protiv Turskih proksija dok su Turci zauzeti u Jermeniji. Takodje da i Sirijci pokusaju nesto da povrate. Siguran sam kada zavrse sa Jermenima da ce se vratiti na njih da ih opet samaraju.

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Qarasu ::We are agressors because we want to liberate our lands? Would you consider Serbia an agressor in Kosovo? (I'm not saying Serbia is an agressor, just a question)

Don't forget that Armenia also occupies 7 districts around Nagorno Karabakh and have driven out 600 thousand Azerbaijan from their homeland.
You done same ting on you side dont ploay with me that tricks. Turks holded Kosmet almost 500 year we libareted it 100 years ago than some pupets and then some puppets, called Shiptars, with the help of world powers (and the Turks among them) occupied again. That's what you're trying to do now. These Shiptars were made by Turkey through the centuries by various methods, and they have been killing Serbs for centuries and now they are doing it. You are another puppet of the Ottomans !!!

Ви сте исто урадили са Јерменима у остатку Азерб. Турци су држали Космет скоро 500 година пре сто година ми смо га ослободили. А онда си неке марионете зване Шиптари уз поноћ светских сила (И турска међу њима) поново окупирали. То је оно што ви данас покушавате. Шиптаре су створили Турци пре свега користећи се разним методама. Они су убијали србе вековима и данас то чине. Ви сте турска марионета.

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Just one thing, for Mr. Qarasu here.

We appreciate you sharing your opinion and have, since this is forum we have different views (based on lot of factors) I must add something, i am more than confident that 99.9% percent of people following this discussion share the same view as I do:

Nobody here is taking sides here and we all wish this war ends soon and peace is established. End of off-topic.

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Kad se gleda dugi rok, svi smo mi dodjoši odnekud. Na kraju je samo bitno ko drži teritoriju.

Elem, Gardijan optužuje Turke da su prebacili 1000 boraca iz Sirije u Azerbejdžan. Neka turska kompanija za obezbedjenje im je ponudila oko 1000€ za čuvanje naftnih polja, što je za njih velika suma. Tako dobiješ 1000 prekaljenih ratnika za 1 milion. Jeftino ako mene pitate. Sad svako ko pretenduje na status sile izgleda da ima svoje plaćenike.

Rusi opet kažu da neće da ih trpe, pa bi to mogao biti mogući povod za ograničeno učešće Rusije u ratu, tek koliko da pošalju poruku.

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Ја вас молим да дискусију пренесете у кантину. Не могу да се прате вести.

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Covek je potpuno u pravu mi imamo problem sto smo u sličnoj situaciji kao Azerbejdžan a ipak ce mo pre da podržavamo armene stvarno bi ste trebali da se dogovorite oko ovih teritorija koje su zauzete iskreno kome treba zemlja ako nema nikoga sem kostiju na njoj netreba da se ratuje vec da se ponudi neka velika autonomija pa ko ga sisa i drzava u drzavi samo da se negine nema potrebe treba to ko aleksandar pozeniti jedne drugima napraviti novu rasu spojiti dve drzave tako u jednu i kraj ali opet tu ce vera da napravi problem ma neznam vise ovo je neko moje razmisljanje

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Qarasu ::We are agressors because we want to liberate our lands? Would you consider Serbia an agressor in Kosovo? (I'm not saying Serbia is an agressor, just a question)

Don't forget that Armenia also occupies 7 districts around Nagorno Karabakh and have driven out 600 thousand Azerbaijan from their homeland.

Don't compare Kosovo and Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenians have monasteries and monuments in Karabah that are thousand years old. Where was Azerbaijan before 1918? It is Armenian land by history, the only reason it is within Azerbaijani border is because Soviets decided so. I see more parallels between Azerbaijanis and Albanians. We have a bunch of our monasteries from 600-800 years ago in Kosovo, while Albanians had nothing back then.

So it would be more logical that Karabakh is ARMENIAN Kosovo, in a situation where they didn't demographically lose it like we did. History and monuments say that it's theirs. And population too...

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Пошто ме мод питао да преведем ову преписку (?) ево...

Не упоређуј Косово и Нагорно-Карабах. Јермени имају манастире и споменике у Карабаху који су стари по хиљаду година. Где је био Азербејџан пре 1918? То је јерменска земља историјски, једини разлог зашто је у Азербејџану је што су Совјети тако одлучили. Видим више паралела између Азера и Албанаца. И ми имамо гомилу манастира од пре 600-800 година на Косову, док Албанци немају ништа из тог периода (уствари ништа пре 20. века)

Тако да би било логичније да кажемо да је Карабах јерменско Косово, у ситуацији где га нису демографски изгубили као што смо ми. Историја и споменици кажу да је њихово. А и становништво такође...

П.С. требало би да изађемо из овог офф-а са Qarasom. Човек мора да схвати да је на форуму државе која је генерално про-јерменска, и да не може да очекује да нас све убеди у своју страну приче. Апсолутно је добродошао због пружања информација са азерске стране, али сада пречесто прелази у област пропаганде и убеђивања, а не факта.