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draganl ::. Konačno, većina oružja nema mogućnost da ''vidi'' koga tačno gađa, pa nikom ništa.

U istoriji ratova nije niko imao takav pregled situacije (od broja gaca pa do par kilometara okolo) kao operateri dronova. Isto se odnosi i na odabir momenta koga i kad ce da gadja. Znaju oni tacno i koga gagjaju i kada i imaju najbolji pregled situacije u HD-u.

Registruj se da bi učestvovao u diskusiji. Registrovanim korisnicima se NE prikazuju reklame unutar poruka.
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https://twitter.com/DrazaM33/status/1709651885936853313

Dron polako traži metu. Mali i zli. Neutvrdene fortifikacije postaju zamka za prašinare. To ovde pričamo več neko vreme. Spavanje na otvorenom isto se kažnjava smrtnom presudom. Vidimo da i ulaz u fortifikaciju treba promjeniti, jer ovi dronovi ulaze kroz male rupe.

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Bobrock1 ::https://twitter.com/DrazaM33/status/1709651885936853313

Dron polako traži metu. Mali i zli. Neutvrdene fortifikacije postaju zamka za prašinare. To ovde pričamo več neko vreme. Spavanje na otvorenom isto se kažnjava smrtnom presudom. Vidimo da i ulaz u fortifikaciju treba promjeniti, jer ovi dronovi ulaze kroz male rupe.

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Morace potpuno fortifikacije da se menjaju, ovo je jezivo kada ti non stop dozuje letece bombicce! I dalje tvdim ribarske mreze i neke auto pumparice u mnogome pomazu ako nista barem da ti ne lebde iznad glave tek tako...

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Bobrok ako mislimo na isti video dakle ukri su zarobili jednog ruskog vojnika vezali ga žicom za drvo mučili i ostavili ga da umre našao ga drufđgi ruski vojnik na osvojenom ukro položaju koji kasnije dodaje da je samo dan ranije zarobio dvoicu ukra koji su dobili da jedu i piju.

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Onako na prvu posle mesec dana nejavljanja, a praćenja nekih telegram kanala.

Ukr definitino fali tehnike, polupano Boga oca, iskreno, jedva čekam da vidim i Abramse zagorele kao kaubojski tiganj.
Rusima su uglavnom tukli HIMARSom po Misti i Tulipanima, tu i tamo neki BRDM. Bar ovo što sam video na koliko toliko objektivnim telegram kanalima. Aklo neko ima neki proukr, relativno objektivan, kanal, molim da mi se pošalje
Syberspec News je za sada moj ruski favorit.

Front se sveo na par tenkova i dva odeljenja u napadu, uz besomučno granatiranje i razaranje.

Kada je krenula SVO, u nekoliko snimaka sam video da su okupljenim ljudima ispred kolona koji su protestvovali, išli u susret prvo vozilla za razbijanje demonstracija, sve sa rotacijom i sirenom, pa onda tek vojna kolona.
Danas, da se nekim čudom desi neka takva blokada, cenim da bi rRusi prvo poslali fab 500, pa Iskander, pa onda neki tenk iz serija Proboj.

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Iznad rovova i transeja moraju mreze ili satorska krila da odbiju bombice ili bar da operateri drona ne vide ima li iko ispod. Sacmare tipa vepr/saiga 12 moraju biti dio opreme bar na polozaju pa nek stoji dok ne zatreba.

Pao McCarthy sad krece panika u EU I Ukr za kesh. Republikanci tj njegovi ga smijenili jer je ispod stola napravio dil za finansiranje ukrajine koji nije zaveden u budzet. Ima jaka linija u kongresu koja krece da komesa dobro.
Trenutno vise od pola republikanaca je protiv slanja para ukrima ali zato demokrate glasaju na zvonce. Nevjerovatno je da nema bas ni jedan da kaze ej mozda je bolji mir nego rat. To je danasnja logika demokrata i voke politicara, nemoj slucajno da se zamjeris. Tamo bi Vulin, Vesic, Orlic bili profesori politike.

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ikan ::DS9 ::u temi Vesti sam priložio skorašnji intervju sa Rej Mekgavernom,

mycity-military.com/Aktuelna-vojna-des.....l#p2590999

i tu je on dao svoj osvrt na tu činjenicu.
To objašnjava od 14m00s
a citira tekst Fione Hill iz NY Times-a, link dole.

nytimes.com/2022/01/24/opinion/russia-ukraine-putin-biden.html

Gospodin je u intrvjuu pomenuo proizvodnju od 2014. godine. Ne daje informacije gde su 155mm pravljene od 1945-1990. godine.

A tekst cenjene Fione Hill ne mogu pročitati jer neam 1 dolar, pa ako ti nije teško da prepričaš.


Hvala za komentar (u vezi količine municije pre 2014 verujemm da bi Mekgovern verovatno odgovorio i na to pitanje ukoliko bi mu neko postavio to pitanje na njegovom twiter/X nalogu).

U vezi teksta iz nyt, ni ja nemam tj. ne dam dolar nytu - juče sam ga slobodno pročitao.

Koliko vidim, izgleda da u nekom slučaju google pretraživač ili možda nyt pravi razliku za američko tržište u odnosu na evropsko, pa za evropsko (jer nudi plaćanje u evrima) daje slobodno da se pročita nakon što se spusti baner sa ponudom, dok u slučaju kada nudi plaćanje u dolarima to nije moguće. Zašto mi u nekom slučaju daje blokiranu varijantu sa ponudom u dolarima, a par minuta kasnije slobodnu varijantu sa ponudom u evrima - nemam pojma, možda bi neko stručan mogao to da objasni.

Kako god izvinjavam se, evo dole celog teksta, to sam paste-ovao sa varijante koja nudi plaćanje u evrima.

Tekst ima dve ilustracije/fotografije, pa verujem da će linkovi do njih moći da se pregledaju, jer ih ja vidim.

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Illustration by Shoshana Schultz/The New York Times; photographs by Aurelien Meunier, Chip Somodevilla, Mikhail Svetlov, Ira Wyman via Getty Images

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Russian President Vladimir Putin.Credit...Pool photo by Evgeny Odinokov


Opinion

Guest Essay
Putin Has the U.S. Right Where He Wants It
Jan. 24, 2022
By Fiona Hill

Ms. Hill was an intelligence officer on Russia and Eurasian affairs for Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama and served on the National Security Council under President Donald Trump.


We knew this was coming.
“George, you have to understand that Ukraine is not even a country. Part of its territory is in Eastern Europe and the greater part was given to us.” These were the ominous words of President Vladimir Putin of Russia to President George W. Bush in Bucharest, Romania, at a NATO summit in April 2008.

Mr. Putin was furious: NATO had just announced that Ukraine and Georgia would eventually join the alliance. This was a compromise formula to allay concerns of our European allies — an explicit promise to join the bloc, but no specific timeline for membership.

At the time, I was the national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia, part of a team briefing Mr. Bush. We warned him that Mr. Putin would view steps to bring Ukraine and Georgia closer to NATO as a provocative move that would likely provoke pre-emptive Russian military action. But ultimately, our warnings weren’t heeded.

Within four months, in August 2008, Russia invaded Georgia. Ukraine got Russia’s message loud and clear. It backpedaled on NATO membership for the next several years. But in 2014, Ukraine wanted to sign an association agreement with the European Union, thinking this might be a safer route to the West. Moscow struck again, accusing Ukraine of seeking a back door to NATO, annexing Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula and starting an ongoing proxy war in Ukraine’s southeastern Donbas region. The West’s muted reactions to both the 2008 and 2014 invasions emboldened Mr. Putin.

This time, Mr. Putin’s aim is bigger than closing NATO’s “open door” to Ukraine and taking more territory — he wants to evict the United States from Europe. As he might put it: “Goodbye, America. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.”

As I have seen over two decades of observing Mr. Putin, and analyzing his moves, his actions are purposeful and his choice of this moment to throw down the gauntlet in Ukraine and Europe is very intentional. He has a personal obsession with history and anniversaries. December 2021 marked the 30th anniversary of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, when Russia lost its dominant position in Europe. Mr. Putin wants to give the United States a taste of the same bitter medicine Russia had to swallow in the 1990s. He believes that the United States is currently in the same predicament as Russia was after the Soviet collapse: grievously weakened at home and in retreat abroad. He also thinks NATO is nothing more than an extension of the United States. Russian officials and commentators routinely deny any agency or independent strategic thought to other NATO members. So, when it comes to the alliance, all of Moscow’s moves are directed against Washington.

In the 1990s, the United States and NATO forced Russia to withdraw the remnants of the Soviet military from their bases in Eastern Europe, Germany and the Baltic States. Mr. Putin wants the United States to suffer in a similar way. From Russia’s perspective, America’s domestic travails after four years of Donald Trump’s disastrous presidency, as well as the rifts he created with U.S. allies and then America’s precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan, signal weakness. If Russia presses hard enough, Mr. Putin hopes he can strike a new security deal with NATO and Europe to avoid an open-ended conflict, and then it will be America’s turn to leave, taking its troops and missiles with it.

Ukraine is both Russia’s target and a source of leverage against the United States. Over the last several months Mr. Putin has bogged the Biden administration down in endless tactical games that put the United States on the defensive. Russia moves forces to Ukraine’s borders, launches war games and ramps up the visceral commentary. In recent official documents, it demanded ironclad guarantees that Ukraine (and other former republics of the U.S.S.R.) will never become a member of NATO, that NATO pull back from positions taken after 1997, and also that America withdraw its own forces and weapons, including its nuclear missiles. Russian representatives assert that Moscow doesn’t “need peace at any cost” in Europe. Some Russian politicians even suggest the possibility of a pre-emptive strike against NATO targets to make sure that we know they are serious, and that we should meet Moscow’s demands.

For weeks, American officials have huddled to make sense of the official documents with Russia’s demands and the contradictory commentary, pondered how to deter Mr. Putin in Ukraine and scrambled to talk on his timeline.

All the while, Mr. Putin and his proxies have ratcheted up their statements. Kremlin officials have not just challenged the legitimacy of America’s position in Europe, they have raised questions about America’s bases in Japan and its role in the Asia-Pacific region. They have also intimated that they may ship hypersonic missiles to America’s back door in Cuba and Venezuela to revive what the Russians call the Caribbean Crisis of the 1960s.

Mr. Putin is a master of coercive inducement. He manufactures a crisis in such a way that he can win no matter what anyone else does. Threats and promises are essentially one and the same. Mr. Putin can invade Ukraine yet again, or he can leave things where they are and just consolidate the territory Russia effectively controls in Crimea and Donbas. He can stir up trouble in Japan and send hypersonic missiles to Cuba and Venezuela, or not, if things go his way in Europe.

Mr. Putin plays a longer, strategic game and knows how to prevail in the tactical scrum. He has the United States right where he wants it. His posturing and threats have set the agenda in European security debates, and have drawn our full attention. Unlike President Biden, Mr. Putin doesn’t have to worry about midterm elections or pushback from his own party or the opposition. Mr. Putin has no concerns about bad press or poor poll ratings. He isn’t part of a political party and he has crushed the Russian opposition. The Kremlin has largely silenced the local, independent press. Mr. Putin is up for re-election in 2024, but his only viable opponent, Aleksei Navalny, is locked in a penal colony outside of Moscow.

So Mr. Putin can act as he chooses, when he chooses. Barring ill health, the United States will have to contend with him for years to come. Right now, all signs indicate that Mr. Putin will lock the United States into an endless tactical game, take more chunks out of Ukraine and exploit all the frictions and fractures in NATO and the European Union. Getting out of the current crisis requires acting, not reacting. The United States needs to shape the diplomatic response and engage Russia on the West’s terms, not just Moscow’s.

To be sure, Russia does have some legitimate security concerns, and European security arrangements could certainly do with fresh thinking and refurbishment after 30 years. There is plenty for Washington and Moscow to discuss on the conventional and nuclear forces as well as in the cyber domain and on other fronts. But a further Russian invasion of Ukraine and Ukraine’s dismemberment and neutralization cannot be an issue for U.S.-Russian negotiation nor a line item in European security. Ultimately, the United States needs to show Mr. Putin that he will face global resistance and Mr. Putin’s aggression will put Russia’s political and economic relationships at risk far beyond Europe.

Contrary to Mr. Putin’s premise in 2008 that Ukraine is “not a real country,” Ukraine has been a full-fledged member of the United Nations since 1991. Another Russian assault would challenge the entire U.N. system and imperil the arrangements that have guaranteed member states’ sovereignty since World War II — akin to the Iraq invasion of Kuwait in 1990, but on an even bigger scale. The United States and its allies, and Ukraine itself, should take this issue to the United Nations and put it before the General Assembly as well as the Security Council. Even if Russia blocks a resolution, the future of Ukraine merits a global response. The United States should also raise concerns in other regional institutions. Why is Russia trying to take its disputes in Europe to Asia and the Western Hemisphere? What does Ukraine have to do with Japan, or Cuba and Venezuela?

Mr. Biden has promised that Russia “will pay a heavy price” if any Russian troops cross Ukraine’s borders. If Mr. Putin invades Ukraine with no punitive action from the West and the rest of the international community, beyond financial sanctions, then he will have set a precedent for future action by other countries. Mr. Putin has already factored additional U.S. financial sanctions into his calculations. But he assumes that some NATO allies will be reluctant to follow suit on these sanctions and other countries will look the other way. U.N. censure, widespread and vocal international opposition, and action by countries outside Europe to pull back on their relations with Russia might give him pause. Forging a united front with its European allies and rallying broader support should be America’s longer game. Otherwise this saga could indeed mark the beginning of the end of America’s military presence in Europe.


Fiona Hill is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. She served as national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia and senior director for Europe and Russia at the National Security Council. She is co-author of “Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin” and author of “There Is Nothing for You Here: Finding Opportunity in the 21st Century.”

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Daaaamn kakvo smece od clanka (ni osoba nije bolja). Ej zamisli budes obavjestajac koji raportira predsedniku amerike i napises ovakvo djubre od propagande. Bez ikakvog dokaza nadrobis neke budalastine i to ljudi objave ili jos gore citaju.
Nemojte vise....

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Pa da, zato je Rej Mekgovern i doslovce rekao da je to "rubish" tj. smeće.

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