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Ako "arapsko - turska koalicija" sa teritorije Turske upadne u barem sjevernu Siriju u alepski vilajet - šta ostaje Asadu i Rusima?

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Napisano: 12 Feb 2016 0:47

kljift ::Ako "arapsko - turska koalicija" sa teritorije Turske upadne u barem sjevernu Siriju u alepski vilajet - šta ostaje Asadu i Rusima?

Udariti po napadacima ,nastaviti napadne operacije bez obzira ! pokazati Erdoganu gde mu je mesto

Dopuna: 12 Feb 2016 0:54

nizam ::da se kladimo da ce da udju u Siriju ?

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ako ne uspiju dogovori o primirju eto arapske kolicije 90%


U Bosni se govorilo za loseg igraca u ekipi malog fudbala "Ajde izađi matere ti ,pojačaj nas" to je sto se tice Saudijaca ,Turci su vec nesto drugo ...
Ako cemo posteno Turci vec ucstvuju u sukobu u Siriji

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nizam ::su27 ::nizame a kuda i čime da uđu?! pa oni dovlače one nesrećnike iz Sudana da ratuju u njihovoj sopstvenoj državi koju ne mogu da sačuvaju od običnih sandalaša sa kalašima

ja mislim da ce koalicija biti samo formalna au stvarnosti 80% vojnika ce cinit Turci.

e to je već druga stvar, da arapi formalno pošalju avionom u Ankaru jednu četu tako da bi to zvanično moglo da se progura kao međunarodna koalicija

s tim što bi onda i Rusi mogli da uđu zvanično u Ukrajinu i ubace 100 Kazahstanaca fore radi...međunarodna koalicija

Dekulica ::Napisano: 12 Feb 2016 0:47

Ako cemo posteno Turci vec ucstvuju u sukobu u Siriji

pa naravno, ima ih par desetina možda i stotinu uglavnom u "savjetodavnoj" i obavještajnoj ulozi, otprilike isto koliko i "zvaničnih" Rusa u Ukrajini

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Медведев: Улазак арапских снага – варница за нови светски рат

четвртак, 11. феб 2016, 20:06 -> 20:44

Извор: Танјуг

Американци и арапски партнери треба да озбиљно размисле да ли желе трајни рат, рекао је руски премијер Дмитриј Медведев коментаришући евентуални улазак арапских снага у сиријски сукоб.

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"Teroristi beže, ruska pomoć nas vodi do pobede"

Alepo -- Godine žestokih sukoba pretvorile su stari deo sirijskog grada Alepo u naselje prepuno kršom i prašinom, prenosi CNN.

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Napisano: 12 Feb 2016 1:35

Moze li mi neko obajsniti posto kao pisem gluposti,za sta sluzi Scud rakete dometa od 750 km,a pogotovu Iranske dometa od 2000km? Ja sam izgleda bas ne znam za sa mogu da sluze? Naravno sem za gadjanje Aerodroma, i nekih baza koje bi bile napustene ako znas da protivnik ima rakete tog dometa?

90-tih kada su nase rakete stare 100 godina bile uperene ka Zagrebu to je bilo moguce,e sada nije,kada Hrvati kupuju rakete i kazu domet je do Nisa to znaci da ce gadjati kasarne u Nisu? jas bas da gadjaju Komren i knjaz Mihajla?

SAA svoje gradove gadja Scub raketama,a suzdrzace se od koriscenja istih protiv neprijaelja koji ga napada.izgleda da sam ja lud u potpunosi.

Dopuna: 12 Feb 2016 1:47

#PESKOV ON ALLEGED #RUSSIAN PROPOSAL TO DECLARE TRUCE IN #SYRIA FROM MARCH 1: OFFICIAL PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN MADE PUBLIC, ONE SHOULD NOT SPECULATE ON INFO

Dopuna: 12 Feb 2016 1:51

"Bilo kakva kopnena intervencija na sirijskom teritoriju bez odobrenja vlade bila bi agresija kojoj bi se morao pružiti otpor", rekao je sirijski ministar vanjskih poslova Valid Mualem na konferenciji za novinare u Damasku.

"Neka nitko ne pomišlja na agresiju na Siriju ili povredu njezina suvereniteta jer ćemo ih, bili oni Saudijci ili Turci, poslati kući u lijesovima", poručio je.
Ministar je također kazao da prekid vatre nije moguć dok se ne uspostavi nadzor nad granicom s Turskom i Jordanom, preko kojih pristiže pomoć pobunjenicima.

Citirao je ruskog ministra vanjskih poslova Sergeja Lavrova koji je rekao da "prekid vatre neće biti moguć prije nego se uspostavi kontrola nad turskom i jordanskom granicom, a to je teško postići bez dogovora o popisu terorističkih organizacija."

Dopuna: 12 Feb 2016 1:56

Po informacijama koje sam dobio SAA je dosada lansirala oko 30 raketa na cilje u Siriji od toga 7-12 bile velike rakete,verovatno se misli na Scud B sve velike su bile lansirane u gradovima gde su se pobunjenici navodno utvrdili,sto je malo verovatno jer zasto bi se neko utvrdio u dubini svoje teritorije gde nema sanse da SAA dodje,mislim da je grad bio Tel Rifat koje si nalazi jos u rukama pobunjenika blizu grada Mare provincija Alep. SAA gadja svoje gradove punih civila gde nema ni naznake terorista,a pusti ce Tursku i nece gadjati.Ako vi tako mislite onda uredu,ja sam lud. Vise od jednom godisnje u proseku SAA lansira neki Scud na svoj grad negde u Siriji sto dovoljno govori koliko su teski na obaracu.
Sirija ima podrsku mozda i najmanje militantne osobe u vladi Rusije koji otvoreno tvrdi da ce u slucaju napada na Siriju poceti treci svatiski rat ipored podrske Medvedeva SAA da okace balisticke rakete kao ukras za novu godinu.

Medvedev: Ulazak arapskih snaga – varnica za novi svetski rat
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Napisano: 12 Feb 2016 3:25

Ako Turci stvarno toliko polude pa napadnu a ubeđen sam da nisu toliko ludi za maksimalno 48 sati ostaće bez avijacije a onda će nastupiti masakr njihovih trupa koje bi prešle u Siriju. Turski piloti nebi imali priliku ni časno da poginu. Protiv PVO sistema koji je sada uspostavljen u Siriji mogu da dejstvuju samo Ameri ali bi i oni imali strahovite gubitke.
To ne bi bila borba to bi bio pokolj turskih aviona. S obzirom na njihovu opremu za PED Turska bi bukvalno za manje od 48 sati ostala bez borbene avijacije.
Da li vi shvatate šta se tamo sada nalazi.
S-400 kombinovan sa S-300 i Bukovima. Zatim modernizovane Neve. Pa onda Panciri, Torovi, Ose, Igle ...
A one koji nekim čudom preteknu čekaju Su-30 i Su-35S.
Plus sistemi na brodovima.
I to će da napadnu Turci. Stvarno bi voleo da gledam taj film ...

Dopuna: 12 Feb 2016 3:34

Sistem PVO u Siriji u ovom momentu (bez brodova) može istovremeno da dejstvuje po minimum 150 ciljeva samo sa raketnim sistemima S-400, S-300, Buk i Neva M.
S obzirom na njihovu opremu za PED za turske avione čak i stari sistemi Kub i Osa predstavljaju veliku opasnost.

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kljift ::Ako "arapsko - turska koalicija" sa teritorije Turske upadne u barem sjevernu Siriju u alepski vilajet - šta ostaje Asadu i Rusima?

Sta ostaje Asadu i Rusima? Pa otprilike ce reci nasto kao ovo: [Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]

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Sistem PVO u Siriji u ovom momentu (bez brodova) može istovremeno da dejstvuje po minimum 150 ciljeva samo sa raketnim sistemima S-400, S-300, Buk i Neva M.
S obzirom na njihovu opremu za PED za turske avione čak i stari sistemi Kub i Osa predstavljaju veliku opasnost.

o cemu se ovde prica? zna se americka taktika.... prvo idu cruise miss..dok se ne unisti anti aircraft.

a onda je to rat....ako SA ide, ima da ide sa tenkovma i dogovorom, kao i turska.

Tih ISIS ima puno, i nece to pasti u roku nedelju dana, tako da mislim da je dogovr sto se tice rake, taj da se dodje do reke....SA nece da prelazi reku u to sam siguran....

Sa druge strane, je vec veci probelm..3 grada, Il sigur, Idlib i Aziz, svuda je al nusra prisutna, pa ocekujem da pocnu da se rokaju izmedju sebe....jedino sto mi je enigma su turci, i sta ce oni uraditi

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Po mom misljenju, ukoliko dodje do turskog i saudijskog "koalicionog" mesanja, oni ce se koncentrisati ne na sukobe sa SAA, nego na osvajanje teritorije koju drzi IDIS/IGIL, gde ocekujem da bi imali "iznenadjujuceg" uspeha, slicno osvajanju Zapadne Nemacke od strane Amerikanaca pri kraju ww2.

Tacnije, IDIS, koji su oni finansirali, bi im jednostavno prepustio teritoriju.

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Lavrov i Ker su dogovorili "prestanak sukoba" u roku od 7 dana od kad krenu konsultacije Asada i opozicije.
RT kaže da se to ne odnosi na Daeše, Nusru i Šam, CNN samo kaže da se to odnosi na "terorističke grupe".

Syria crisis plan: Cessation of hostilities, humanitarian airdrops, peace talks laid out in Munich
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World powers agree to 'cessation of hostilities' in Syria
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E sad, videćemo dal će se Asad i Rebeli složiti za mir, ja sam skeptičan.
Ali opet dođemo do uobičajenog detalja da Zapad j***no ne zanima da poštuje išta što se potpiše i da samo može iskoristiti primirje da izvrši popunu Rebela i prenaoružavanja pa udri.

Živi bili pa videli...

U spojleru je pun tekst dogovora na engleskom.
+ Tekst dogovora“Statement of the International Syria Support Group meeting in Munich on February 11 & 12, 2016, as the International Syria Support Group (ISSG), the Arab League, China, Egypt, the EU, France, Germany, Iran, Iraq, Italy, Jordan, Lebanon, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United Nations, and the United States decided that humanitarian access will commence this week to besieged areas, and an ISSG task force will within one week elaborate modalities for a nationwide cessation of hostilities.

The ISSG members unanimously committed to immediately facilitate the full implementation of the UN Security Council Resolution 2254, adopted unanimously December 18, 2015.

The ISSG reaffirmed their readiness to carry out all commitments set forth in the resolution, including to: ensure a Syrian-led and Syrian-owned political transition based on the Geneva communique in its entirety; press for the end of any indiscriminate use of weapons; support and accelerate the agreement and implementation of a nationwide ceasefire; facilitate immediate humanitarian access to besieged and hard-to-reach areas and the release of any arbitrarily detained persons; and fight terrorism.

Ensuring humanitarian access

In order to accelerate the urgent delivery of humanitarian aid, sustained delivery of assistance shall begin this week by air to Deir Ez Zour and simultaneously to Fouah, Kafrayah, the besieged areas of rural Damascus, Madaya, Mouadhimiyeh, and Kafr Batna by land, and continue as long as humanitarian needs persist.

Humanitarian access to these most urgent areas will be a first step toward full, sustained, and unimpeded access throughout the country. The members of the ISSG will use their influence with all parties on the ground to work together, in coordination with the United Nations, to ensure that all parties allow immediate and sustained humanitarian access to reach all people in need, throughout Syria, particularly in all besieged and hard-to-reach areas, as called for in UNSCR 2254.

To this end, the UN will submit a plan to an ISSG humanitarian task force, which shall convene on February 12 and next week. This group will comprise the ISSG co-chairs, relevant UN entities and members of the ISSG with influence on the parties in a position to ensure humanitarian access.

The ISSG reaffirmed that humanitarian access should not benefit any particular group over any other, but shall be granted by all sides to all people in need, in full compliance with UNSCR 2254 and international humanitarian law. The ISSG asks the UN to report weekly, on behalf of the task force, on progress on the implementation of the plan referenced above, so that in any cases where access lags or approvals are lacking, relevant ISSG members will use their influence to press the requested party/parties to provide that approval.

There will be a process for resolving any problems so that relief can flow expeditiously. Any questions about access or delivery will be resolved through the task force.

All ISSG members commit to immediately work together with the Syrian parties to ensure no delay in the granting of approval and completion of all pending UN requests for access in accordance with UNSCR 2254, paragraph 12.

ISSG co-chairs and members will ensure that aid convoys are used solely for humanitarian purposes. International humanitarian organisations, in particular the United Nations, will play the central role, as they engage the Syrian government, the opposition and local populations, in arranging the monitoring and sustained and uninterrupted distribution of aid.

Achieving a nationwide cessation of hostilities

The ISSG members agreed that a nationwide cessation of hostilities must be urgently implemented, and should apply to any party currently engaged in military or paramilitary hostilities against any other parties other than Daesh, Jabhat al-Nusra, or other groups designated as terrorist organisations by the United Nations Security Council.

The ISSG members commit to exercise influence for an immediate and significant reduction in violence leading to the nationwide cessation of hostilities. The ISSG members decided to take immediate steps to secure the full support of all parties to the conflict for a cessation of hostilities, and in furtherance of that have established an ISSG ceasefire task force, under the auspices of the UN, co-chaired by Russia and the United States, and including political and military officials, with the participation of ISSG members with influence on the armed opposition groups or forces fighting in support of the Syrian government.

The UN shall serve as the secretariat of the ceasefire task force. The cessation of hostilities will commence in one week, after confirmation by the Syrian government and opposition, following appropriate consultations in Syria.

During that week, the ISSG task force will develop modalities for the cessation of hostilities. The ISSG task force will, among other responsibilities continue to: a) delineate the territory held by Daesh, ANF and other groups designated as terrorist organisations by the United Nations Security Council; b) ensure effective communications among all parties to promote compliance and rapidly de-escalate tensions; c) resolve allegations of non-compliance; and d) refer persistent non-compliant behaviour by any of the parties to ISSG Ministers, or those designated by the Ministers, to determine appropriate action, including the exclusion of such parties from the arrangements for the cessation of hostilities and the protection it affords them.

Although a cessation of hostilities can facilitate humanitarian access, it cannot be a precondition for such access anywhere in Syria. The ISSG decided that all members will undertake their best efforts, in good faith, to sustain the cessation of hostilities and delivery of humanitarian assistance, and take measures to stop any activities prohibited by United Nations Security Council Resolutions 2170, 2178, 2199, 2249, 2253, and 2254.

The ISSG again expressed concern for the plight of refugees and internally displaced persons and the imperative of building conditions for their safe return in accordance with the norms of international humanitarian law and taking into account the interests of host countries.

Advancing a political transition

The members of the ISSG reaffirmed the imperative of all sides engaging in negotiations under the auspices of the United Nations as soon as possible, in strict compliance with United Nations Security Council 2254.

They reaffirmed that it is for the Syrian people to decide the future of Syria. The members of the ISSG pledge to do all they can to facilitate rapid progress in these negotiations, including the reaching of agreement within six months on a political transition plan that establishes credible, inclusive and non-sectarian governance and sets a schedule and process for drafting a new constitution, free and fair elections, pursuant to the new constitution, to be held within 18 months and administered under supervision of the United Nations, to the satisfaction of the governance and to the highest international standards of transparency and accountability, with all Syrians, including members of the diaspora, eligible to participate.

Full implementation of these objectives will require the ISSG co-chairs and members, the UN and others, to work closely on political, humanitarian, and military dimensions.”