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Gledam sinoć na History neki Ruski dokumentarac o početku WW2 i na kraju kažu daje 2009 neka Evropska agencija za bezbednost usvojila rezoluciju da je WW2 počeo zbog potpisivanja pakta između Nemačke i SSSR-a.
To znači da su izjednačili ulogu SSSr-a sa Nemačkom ,pa jesu li oni normalni?



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Joja ::Gledam sinoć na History neki Ruski dokumentarac o početku WW2 i na kraju kažu daje 2009 neka Evropska agencija za bezbednost usvojila rezoluciju da je WW2 počeo zbog potpisivanja pakta između Nemačke i SSSR-a.
To znači da su izjednačili ulogu SSSr-a sa Nemačkom ,pa jesu li oni normalni?


Dobro si čuo. I ja sam gledao tu emisiju.
I sam se pitam da li su normalni oni koji su glasali za to.
Prevod tog dela nije bio najbolji. Mislim da je reč o rezoluciji Organizacije za evropsku bezbednost i saradnju (OEBS ili OSCE).

http://www.osce.org/sr/serbia/26532

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Nije mi jasno šta pokušavaju sa tim,da li neko toliko ne voli Rusiju ili šta,kakve su to političke igre?

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Овде је декларација из Вилњуса
http://www.tweedekamer.nl/images/Final_Vilnius_Declaration_ENG_118-196098.pdf

Текст везан за ову тему:
Citat:RESOLUTION ON
DIVIDED EUROPE REUNITED:
PROMOTING HUMAN RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES
IN THE OSCE REGION IN THE 21st CENTURY

1. Recalling the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Helsinki Final
Act and the European Charter of Fundamental Rights,

2. Taking into account the developments that have taken place in the OSCE area in the
20 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain,

3. Noting that in the twentieth century European countries experienced two major
totalitarian regimes, Nazi and Stalinist, which brought about genocide, violations of
human rights and freedoms, war crimes and crimes against humanity,


4. Acknowledging the uniqueness of the Holocaust, reminding participating States of its
impact and the continued acts of anti-Semitism occurring throughout the 56-nation OSCE
region, and strongly encouraging the vigorous implementation of the resolutions on anti-
Semitism adopted unanimously by the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly since the
2002 Annual Session in Berlin,

5. Reminding the OSCE participating States of their commitment “to clearly and
unequivocally condemn totalitarianism” (1990 Copenhagen Document),

6. Recalling that awareness of history helps to prevent the recurrence of similar crimes in
the future, and that an honest and thorough debate on history will facilitate reconciliation
based on truth and remembrance,

7. Aware that the transition from communist dictatorships to democracy cannot take place in
one day, and that it also has to take into account the historical and cultural backgrounds
of the countries concerned,

8. Emphasising, however, that it is the obligation of governments and all sectors of society
to strive tirelessly towards achieving a truly democratic system that fully respects human
rights, without making differences in political culture and tradition a pretext for the nonimplementation
of commitments,

9. Deploring that in many countries, including some with long-standing democratic
traditions, civil liberties are in renewed danger, often because of measures taken to
counter so-called “new threats”,

10. Recalling the initiative of the European Parliament to proclaim 23 August, when the
Ribbentrop–Molotov Pact was signed 70 years ago, as a Europe-wide Day of
Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism, in order to preserve the memory of
the victims of mass deportations and exterminations,



The OSCE Parliamentary Assembly:

11. Reconfirms its united stand against all totalitarian rule from whatever ideological
background;

12. Calls on participating States to honour and implement all commitments undertaken in
good faith;

13. Urges the participating States:
a. to continue research into and raise public awareness of the totalitarian legacy;
b. to develop and improve educational tools, programmes and activities, most notably
for younger generations, on totalitarian history, human dignity, human rights and
fundamental freedoms, pluralism, democracy and tolerance;
c. to promote and support activities of NGOs which are engaged in areas of research and
raising public awareness about crimes committed by totalitarian regimes;

14. Requests governments and parliaments of participating States to ensure that any
governmental structures and patterns of behaviour that resist full democratisation or
perpetuate, or embellish, or seek a return to, or extend into the future, totalitarian rule are
fully dismantled;

15. Further requests governments and parliaments of participating States to fully dismantle
all structures and patterns of behaviour that have their roots in abusing human rights;

16. Reiterates its call upon all participating States to open their historical and political
archives;

17. Expresses deep concern at the glorification of the totalitarian regimes, including the
holding of public demonstrations glorifying the Nazi or Stalinist past, as well as the
possible spread and strengthening of various extremist movements and groups, including
neo-Nazis and skinheads;


18. Calls upon participating States to pursue policies against xenophobia and aggressive
nationalism and take more effective measures to combat these phenomena;

19. Asks for a greater respect in all participating States for human rights and civil liberties,
even in difficult times of terrorist threats, economic crisis, ecological disasters and mass
migration.

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Staljin je bio takav kakav je bio.Diktator,slao ljude u logore,uništio armiju čistkama,ali Pakt je potpisala država SSSR i reći da je to izazvalo WW2 je glupost,a odrediti 23.avgust za dan sećanja na žrtve Staljinizma i Nacizma je još gore.
Pa nije progon Jevreja u Nemačkoj počeo 23.08.1939.g čitav svet je znao šta se dešava sa Jevrejima i čutali su i puštali Hitlera da radi šta hoće sa Austrijom,Češkom,a sad treba oprati Nemačke grehe(Italijanski su već zaboravljeni),pa udri po Rusiji.

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Стаљин је био велик!
да нам је сада човек као Стаљин. помињу само његове чистке, не сете се да примете какву је земљу изградио за тако кратко време. требало ми је пуноо времена да схватим зашто неки држе његову слику поред иконе.
нису само знали за јевреје, него су многи и одобравали то.
ако се поред немачке за кривца рата може ставити неко то је енглеска.

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Joja ::Gledam sinoć na History neki Ruski dokumentarac o početku WW2 i na kraju kažu daje 2009 neka Evropska agencija za bezbednost usvojila rezoluciju da je WW2 počeo zbog potpisivanja pakta između Nemačke i SSSR-a.
To znači da su izjednačili ulogu SSSr-a sa Nemačkom ,pa jesu li oni normalni?


Da, i ja sam gledao tu emisiju, Ruska emisija je bila i to me začudilo.

Potpuno drugačije svetlo baca. Zvala se
"Da li je Staljin mogao zaustaviti Hitlera" i baca sasvimdrugačije svetlo na Staljina pokazujući ga kao čoveka kojije od početka govorio da je Nacizam zlo .
Govori o tome kako su Zapadnjaci sve vreme gurali Nemačku da napadne SSSR i čak i sama Poljska je bila vrlo prijateljska sa Nemcima.

Da. Evrospka agenciaj je optužila Ruse za II Svetski rat.

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Ma, budale! Definitivno. Ako je ruska emisija, ona su neke desničarske budale, s oproštenjem. Inače, Englezi bi trebalo mudro da ćute (a to i rade) jer su oni sve to zamrsili! Kako se beše zvao onaj idiot što je razmahivao onim potpisom u Minhenu - Daladje? Izašao kreten iz aviona i hvalio se kako je spasao Zemljinu kuglu, a kada je Čehoslovačka pala, idioti nisu ni repom mrdnuli !! Ne bi mrdnuli repom ni u vezi s Poljskom , ali znamo zašto su morali.

Ljudi, kome nešto još nije jasno, neka uzme knjigu ''Tko je financirao Hitlera'' (zagrebački Globus), pa neka razveje i ostatak iluzija.

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