Kineski TOP GUN

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Kineski TOP GUN

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bocke,
svaka revolucija stvara evoluciju, a svaka evolucija stvara novu revoluciju.Svi smo sigurni da ce amerika propasti, ali ne znamo kada.Faktori koji ce biti u buducnosti, su takvi, da ih mi ne znamo, pa ih ne mozemo ukomponirati.Ne mogu da znam da li ce mi pasti saksija sa cvecem na glavu za jedan sat, ma da nemam ni jednu u blizini, a za sto godina, cemo zivjeti , mozda u kalifatu, ili u nekoj pecini, kao neandertalci.Bolje da se drzimo bliske sadasnjice, i pustimo kineze da gledaju "Valter brani sarajevo", "top gun", i da treniraju svoje pilote, i , ako hoces, mozemo navijati za njih, dati im moralnu podrsku



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Mislim da se ova škola TopGana treba posmatrati kroz događanja koja će se dešavati kroz 10-15 godina. Treba biti svestan da današnja Kina nije ona Kina od pre 10 godina a sigurno nije ona koja će biti za 10 godina. Naučili su lekciju o tome kako treba da se ponaša velika sila i da sprovode svoje interese. U skaldu sa time ide i ova škola. Mora da se kaže i da Kina neće odustati od Tajvana i da sve što rade je usmereno u tom pravcu. Sada se prvo pravi posao na odbrani svoje matične teritorije, da se tako kaže. A to znači da treba da se pojača RV i PVO. Lekcija svih zemalja koje su imale posla sa Amerima. Posle kupovine Su27 i početka proizvodnje istih po licenci, završen je projekat J10 koji je izvanredna dopuna za Su27, kao i ovaj mali JF17. Time su se stvorili zahtevi da se počne sa obukom pilota na višem nivou zbog povećane složenosti sistema i savremene borbe. I to sad sprovode.
Da se oni ne šale to može da vidi svako. Prvo su probali da kupe stare nosače aviona od amera, potom su kupili nosače od Rusijw. Prvo lake nosače tipa Kiev, a potom od Ukrajine i veliki nedovršeni nosač kase Tbilisi. Sad imaju podatke kao je šta rađeno, imaju osnovu da počnu da projektuju i pripremaju proizvodnju nosača aviona. Treba biti iskren i reći da ni ameri koji rade nosače preko 50 godina trebaju minimum 10 godina za završetak projekta tog tipa. A posle toga ide gradnja velikih desantnih brodova i flote za podršku borbenih grupa. A to sve je posao od 15-20 godina. Za njih nije mnogo vremena, takva su zemlja i nacija.


@dwollner:

Trebalo bi da se sa više poštovanja odnosimo i znanja odnosimo prema Kini jer ona sigurno nije samo ekonomija tekstila, stereo uređaja i kopija oružja. Ona ima mnogo više potencijala i znanja nego što se govori. Mnoge stvari oni rade sami i razvijaju sami. U ovom momentu oni kupuju licence iz prostog razloga, zašto da se troše pare na razvoj kada to treba sada i brže je i jeftinije da se kupi licenca za Su27 nego da se da 7-8 milijardi samo za razvoj? Oni rade i na svojim projektima, primer je J10. Neka se kaže da je to kopija Lavija koliko god puta hoćete, ali svi projekti koji imaju slične zahteve imaju i sličan izgled. Lavi ne leti, ugašen je projekat, J10 leti i počela je serijska proizvodnja. On je lovac koji sigurno može da se nosi sa F16, ima odlične mogućnosti nadogradnje, predstavlja idealnog partnera za Su27. Isto tako treba da se kaže da kinezi rade sve što im je potrebno da dođu do tehnologija i znanja za njiovu proizvodnju. Pre par nedelja sam slučajno naleteo na jedan članak na netu koji je opisivao kako su kinezi kupili jednu firmu u SAD koja je jedini proizvođač kritičnih elemenata za krstareće projektile. Članak imaš na ovoj adresi:

http://www.amhersttimes.com/index.php?option=com_c.....;Itemid=27


Sad vidiš da i amrička vojna mašina zavisi od njih. A to se dešava iz dana u dan. I to treba opštovati, jer tako radi velika zemlja kojoj je stalo do njenih interesa.



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Ma odbrane od cega?Tko njih napada?Tko im preti?Velika sila?Velika sila po broju ljudi i mozda geografskoj povrsini.
Drzi vojne vezbe sa Rusijom, da bi se jos "silovnije" osecala.Pogledaj kineski potencijal

infowars.com/articles/ps/china_total_dehumanization_report.htm

laogai.org/news/newsdetail.php?id=2281

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China Goes Top Gun

June 5, 2006: Another example of how serious China is about creating world class armed forces, is their establishing a "Top Gun" school. That means some of their Su-27 aircraft would have their pilots trained to use fly and fight like F-16's (in particular, Taiwanese F-16s). The 28 ton Su-27 is actually a larger aircraft than the 17 ton F-16. But the only F-16 class aircraft China has is the new JF17. There are not enough JF17s available to serve in an "aggressor squadron", and the JF17 is actually only equal in performance to older model F-16s. The Su-27 can do the job, even if it's more similar in size to the F-15. The Chinese were encouraged to go this way when, during realistic training exercises, their Su-27 pilots were easily defeated when up against aircraft fighting like Taiwanese pilots in F-16s.



The original "Top Gun" fighter pilot school was established in 1969, by the U.S. Navy, in response to the poor performance of its pilots against North Vietnamese pilots flying Russian fighters. What made the Top Gun operation different was that the training emphasized how the enemy aircraft and pilots operated. This was called "dissimilar training". In the past, American pilots practiced against American pilots, with everyone flying American aircraft. It worked in World War II, because the enemy pilots were not getting a lot of practice and were using similar aircraft and tactics anyway. Most importantly, there was a lot of aerial combat going on, providing ample opportunity for on- the- job training. Not so in Vietnam, where the quite different Russian trained North Vietnamese were giving U.S. aviators an awful time. The four week Top Gun program solved the problem. The air force followed shortly with it's Red Flag school.



Over the last thirty years, the two training programs have developed differently, and the entire concept of "dissimilar training" has changed. The navy kept Top Gun as a program to hone fighter pilot's combat skills. The air force made their Red Flag program more elaborate, bringing in the many different types of aircraft involved in combat missions (especially electronic warfare.) But after the Cold War ended. It became increasingly obvious that none of our potential enemies was providing their fighter pilots with much training at all. In other words, the dissimilar training for U.S. fighter pilots was not a crucial as it had been during the Cold War. Actually, it had been noted that flying skills of Soviet pilots was declining in the 1980s, as economic problems in the USSR caused a cut in flying time. During that period, American pilots were actually getting more flying time. Moreover, U.S. flight simulators were getting better. American pilots were finding that even the game oriented combat flight simulators had some training value. So in the late 1990s, Top Gun and Red Flag found their budgets cut. But the programs remain, as does the memory of why they were set up in the first place. If we find that, say, China is continuing to improve it's combat aviation, gives it's fighter pilots more flying time and their politicians maintain a bellicose attitude towards the U.S., there will be a need to increase American Top Gun training. Because of the new Chinese "dissimilar training" effort, the U.S. Top Gun and Red Flag schools may be restored to their former prominence. The Chinese move is certainly a very meaningful one, as it shows that they are serious about preparing their pilots to fight, and defeat Taiwanese and American pilots. Dissimilar training is how that is done.

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Kao i Amerika, Kina nema od koga da se "boji"(ne računam terorizam). Normalno je da se ,po ugledu na neka RV i kod njih (konačno) razvija misao i praksa da svoje top pilote na modernim avionima (su-27 i modernije varijante tog aviona) uvažbavaju na naj bolji način a to je "realna" (ili najbliže tome) vazdušna borba.

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