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Rat u Siriji, 2017. godina

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sremac983 ::3. нуклерна сила GUZ - Glavom U Zid ...мајко мила одакле се овај изнедрио Question Exclamation ...

Па јесу трећа сила, ако се изузму Британија, Француска, Кина, Индија и Пакистан. Једноставна рачуница Bebee Dol

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Citat:Neprijatelji razoreni gradjanskim ratom, u kojem ni u Iraku ni u Siriji neće biti mira decenijama!
Izrael više nije broj jedan neprijatelj sunitskog svijeta već je to sada Iran
Izrael nije broj jedan neprijatelj Šitskog svijeta već je to Saudijska Arabija!
Nekada ujedninjeni neprijatelji Izraela su se podjelili i sada su smrtni neprijatelji izmdju sebe!

Ovo je tačno !
-Izraelce još mori iranski nuklearni program ali islamski svet već ima nuklearku i kada to nisu uspeli da spreče veliki momci neće moći ni mali Izrael.
-Istini za volju,u okolini Izraela više nema stabilne države osim donekle Jordana i to nosi određene bezbedonosne rizike ali više nijedna arapska država ili koalicija konvencionalnim oružjem ne može dovesti u pitanje postojanje Izraela . . . nekonvencionalnim može ali to je posebna tema.
-Ovo koškanje sa Hamasom i Hezbolahom Jevrejima dobro dođe da ostanu u kondiciji iako im je Hezbolah odoleo 2006-e. . . .sada je propisno istrošen u Siriji i nije mu do velike kavge.
-ISIL je sve ove godine bio izraelska pešadija i iako je sada na samom kraju iscedio je i izraelske neprijatelje i posejao strašnu sektašku podelu i mržnju između sunita i šiita.Ovi poslednji se sada više mrze međusobno nego što uopšte misle o Izraelu.

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4 vojna sila u Evropi...
Bankrot Rusije...
Pad Erdogana...
Kurdi očajni vojnici ...
Neosvojiva tvrđava Raka (Mosul) ...
Vaskrsenje Gadafija i njegove vojske ...
Raspad EU ...

... gomila mitomanije....


ЕУ ће се распасти, само је питање времена. А и Ердоган је у једном тренутку висио о концу.

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Дискутовало се о томе да је ИД при крају ПОВР и да их је све отрошио око Палмире...

САА запленила најмање 30 ракета и 7 лансера у Даеру.



Поново заплењен оклоп и артиљерија и гомиле муниције и наоружања.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLbpvRxSGso&feature=youtu.be&t=1m1s

ирачани нашли 7 минираних(истекао ресурс?) корнета. Neutral



Што кажу Руси 7x20-40 хиљда долара. Mr. Green

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Је ли, да ти ниси неки од оних нових што не верују у нуклеарну зиму...пошто видим да се тако олако разбацујеш печуркама...

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Russian Su-35 chased away rogue US F-22 jet

Citat:A Russian interceptor has been scrambled to stop a rogue US fighter jet from actively interfering with an anti-terrorist operation, the Russian Defense Ministry said. It also accused the US of provoking close encounters with the Russian jets in Syria.
A US F-22 fighter was preventing two Russian Su-25 strike aircraft from bombing an Islamic State (IS, former ISIS) base to the west of the Euphrates November 23, according to the ministry.
He added that the US jet ceased its dangerous maneuvers only after a Russian Su-35S fighter jet joined the two strike planes.


https://www.rt.com/news/412590-russia-us-syria-air-force/

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Izrael na aparatima a hrabri/slozni Arapi, marsiraju Tel Avivom Very Happy

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Pow moja žena se profesionalno u generalštabu bavila Hezbolahom (i ostalim, hamasom PLO itd) od 1982. godine do pre par godina. Arapski jezik je diplomirala u Beogradu, magistrirala u Damasku, doktorirala u Tunisu. Otišla je u penziju pre nekoliko godina u rangu pukovnika. Ja se istim problemima bavim od 1992. godine. Znam lično ili preko prepiske skoro sve stručnjake iz sveta za probleme Bliskog istoka. Tog tvog koji radi za kuvajtsku novinsku agenciju nisam upoznao ni među treće ligašima. Tj do sada nisam čuo za njega. Ali neka ti bude. Što kaže Cezar ... Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant!

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Па добро, ако сте такви познаваоци, објасни нам зашто би Ирак дозволио конвојима да крену ка ка Сирији из Ирана преко њихове територије. Поготово док је Америка још у Ираку. Нису још истерани као што рече.
Нема објашњења, тешко да то можемо и да знамо. Човек је у тексту навео добар пример зашто тога неђе бити(барем не одмах).

Тај "мој" је до сада скоро све што се дешавало у Сирији предвидео. Показао се као веома поуздан извор. Све што се овде напише о Израелу, Хезболаху и ударима по Сирији он/и напишу у кувајтским новинским агенцијама и твитеру пар дана раније. Имамо исте изворе изгледа.

Да се разумемо ја не оспоравам твоје познавање ситуације, напротив.


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О Курдима и Русима. Америчком присуству у Сирији и Турцима који су поново остали да висе.

Syrian Kurds move closer to Russia
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/12.....ussia.html
Citat:For the past several years, Turkey has feared and sought to prevent two things in Syria: the United States' partnership with the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) in northern Syria and a role for the Kurds in the settlement process that would eventually make their de facto autonomy permanent.

Despite all its efforts, Turkey has failed to stop US military aid for the YPG-dominated Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). Now it seems to be losing also the second chapter, in which Russia is the lead player. Ankara has signaled readiness even for dialogue with Damascus, but preventing a Kurdish role in the solution process via the Russian track is becoming increasingly difficult.

After a Nov. 24 call between Presidents Donald Trump and Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu claimed that Trump had promised to stop arming the YPG, but things look quite different from what Ankara is trying to paint. The Pentagon has since said that its support will continue as long as the fight against the Islamic State (IS) continues. Moreover, the Kurds insist they have received assurances that US military presence in liberated areas will continue until a political settlement is reached in Syria. This signals that the United States could stay in the play as a "guarantor" state in a process that would enshrine the de facto Kurdish autonomy into a constitutional framework — an alarming prospect for Ankara.

The most critical developments, however, are taking place in the Kurds' relations with Russia, which they are building in parallel to their ties with the United States in line with a third-way strategy resting on the balancing of powers.

While the Turks were busy debating whether Russia would greenlight a Turkish military move on YPG-controlled Afrin for the sake of Turkey's collaboration in the Russian-led Astana process, a new Kurdish-Russian partnership took shape in Deir ez-Zor. In Afrin, the Russians had refrained from publicizing their partnership with the Kurds, though it served to rein in Turkey. But in Deir ez-Zor, they chose to openly declare it. No doubt, this was a move seeking to balance the United States along the Euphrates line and change the rules of the game in favor of Damascus.

At Deir ez-Zor, the Russians backed the Syrian army on the western side of the Euphrates, and chose to team up with the Kurds on the eastern side of the river. The parties first met in al-Salihiyah, a town in Deir ez-Zor province, on Dec. 3, and subsequently Gen. Yevgeny Poplavsky, the Russian commander at the Hmeimim military base, and YPG spokesman Nuri Mahmoud made a joint press statement in a room adorned with Russian and YPG flags. Poplavsky said they were conducting a joint operation against IS in Deir ez-Zor with various forces, including the YPG. Russian warplanes, he said, have carried out 672 sorties in support of the YPG and other groups, striking some 1,450 targets. Mahmoud said the Kurds would provide security to Russian forces on the eastern side of the Euphrates.

Another meeting, attended by YPG General Commander Sipan Hemo, resulted in a decision to set up a joint operation room in al-Salihiyah, which Poplavsky described as very important in terms of support for the YPG. Hemo thanked both Russia and the United States(Турци вероватно нису срећни Mr. Green ) for their help in fighting IS, adding, "We declare our readiness to form joint operation rooms with our partners in the war against IS to increase the momentum of this coordination and eliminate this terror completely."

Turkey, which cooperated with Russia and Iran in creating de-escalation zones through the Astana process, has remained silent about the meeting in Deir ez-Zor. The Russian Defense Ministry, meanwhile, said the Russian and YPG representatives "evaluated the steps to be taken" after the ouster of IS.

In March, Russia had deployed troops to the village of Kafr Janneh in Afrin with the stated aim of monitoring the cease-fire in the area. In July, while the Raqqa operation was underway, it set up a joint operation room with the Syrian army and the YPG in a desert area near Rusafa. Now, with al-Salihiyah, Russia's partnership with the Kurds takes on a more significant dimension.

The Russian-Kurdish cooperation in Deir ez-Zor "developed on Russia's initiative," an official from the Democratic Union Party (PYD), the YPG's political wing, told Al-Monitor. As the fight against IS draws to an end, the Kurds are entering a period of critical choices, according to the Kurdish official, who is involved in civil administration work in Raqqa.

"We are trying to stay on good terms with the Russians [but] this does not diminish the importance of our partnership with the United States. American officials have told us they will not pull out until a political solution is reached in Syria, meaning that US support in areas liberated from IS will continue," the official said.

"Then, there is another process going on," he continued. "Russia, too, is trying to pull us to its side. Despite Turkey's objections, we will attend the Syrian National Dialogue Congress in Sochi in February. More precisely, representatives of the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria will attend. We will go as a big delegation including various quarters — probably 40 people or so."


The official stressed the United States could make an important political gesture to the Kurds in the coming days. "For now, the partnership is on a military level. From the very beginning, we have been asking for political recognition. We expect progress on this issue in the coming days. I mean there could be a US opening vis-a-vis the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria," he said.

The official could not specify what the "opening" might be, but said the issue was being "discussed as an idea." He added, "Many countries lent support to the civil administration in Raqqa. This support could reach a new level. No doubt, the United States will continue to consider Turkey's sensitivities, both because of their alliance in NATO and the military bases [in Turkey]. Turkey will remain an element of threat and balance. This is something we take into account, but our cooperation with both Russia and the United States is creating a balance for us as well."

Because of uncertainties in Washington's game plan in Syria, the Russian plan is progressing faster. Hence, the Kurds are inclined to put more of their eggs in the Russian basket, as evidenced by a series of statements recently that leave the door open to collaboration with Moscow as well as directly with Damascus. The PYD's Moscow representative Abd Salam Muhammad Ali, for instance, told Russia's Izvestiya daily last week that the SDF could be integrated into the Syrian army if a political solution that satisfied all parties was found.

In other remarks to the Russian press, the PYD representative said that the time had come for dialogue with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, stressing that the Kurds were not seeking independence but "a federate democratic republic within a united Syria."

In sum, the latest Kurdish positions reflect a greater willingness for dialogue with Damascus, which means that the Russian option is gaining weight in terms of cooperation prospects. Ankara, for its part, remains opposed to any scenario that involves the Kurds as stakeholders in the post-IS political and reconstruction process.


Тигрови пребачени у Хаму, ускоро се очекује да се укључе у борбе. Иранци, Авганистанци и Ирачани заједно са Хезболахом ће да чисте пустињу.



Према овоме, има их више од хиљаду у пустињи. Каже хиљаде.
Видећемо колико је то тачно, ја мислим да су они сви изгинули у борбама на Еуфрату.

https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/939511430499454976
Citat:In the coming days, the Syrian Army is expected to launch a big assault to enter this rugged desert area, which is believed to have thousands of Islamic State terrorists positioned inside of it.

Можда их транспортују у Идлиб. Јер ови тамо поново напредују.

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Moze li neko naci one izjave americkog vrha o potrebnih 20-30 god da se pobedi ISIL?
Te izjave najvise oslikavaju ko ustvari stoji iza ISIL-a. Rusi ih sa SAA i Hezbolahom proterase i pobise za godinu. Te izjave uvek treba postaviti kad neko pozitivno prica o Americi i njenoj borbi protiv terorizma.

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