"Cenovnik" ratne tehnike

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Tacno. Sad je popularno biti u NATO-u

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Citat:Ne, Mi-171V košta $1,216,450 a verzija KF (Kittyhawk) koja se radi u kooperaciji sa kanađanima $2,688,406 (tako piše gde kradem informacije) Wink


Pazi, izneo si cenu za Mi-8AMTSh a to je Mi-171Sh. Imam podatak da ta verzija kosta 4,5 miliona USD.

Imas li podatak koliko kosta Mi-172?

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Moguće je, onda ovaj gadno laže....

http://www.pmulcahy.com/helicopters/russian_cargo_helicopters.htm

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Hrvatska će svojih 10 Mi-171 Sh platiti 65 mil.$ (prebijanjem duga), a u cijenu je uključena i prpadajuća zemaljska i ispitna oprema i rezervni dijelovi .... Mislim da je prava cijena (osnovna) ipak ona koju navodi zixo jer sam na nekim hrvatskim linkovima koji govore o ovoj nabavci nalazio upravo na tu cifru i gdje se još napominje da će zbog neke dodatne opreme (rampa za utovar, dizalica...) kao i zbog pripadajuće prateće opreme cijena hrvatskih helikoptera narasti na cca 6,5 mil.$ po komadu.

http://www.morh.hr/vijesti_main.asp?id=801

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Jel neko ima informaciju koliko je Brazil platio za modifikovanje F-5E tiger-a na ovu novu verziju koji sada imaju valjda se zove Tiger2?

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MiG-29 A/B (Fulcrum-A kakve imamo) košta svega $2,848,428 ; dok je recimo novija verzija M $7,744,220

Ma nema sanse...
Mi platili modernizaciju cetiri 29ke 30 miliona e, sto znaci da modernizacija jednog aviona tipa Mig-29A izadje 7.5 miliona, a nov kosta priblizno toliko...
Cudna neka matematika

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Citat:Jel neko ima informaciju koliko je Brazil platio za modifikovanje F-5E tiger-a na ovu novu verziju koji sada imaju valjda se zove Tiger2?
Pa cena suve modernizacije je oko 5M$,ali tu ide i 21.5M$ za 38 Derby raketa.
Citat:Moguće je, onda ovaj gadno laže....


Kao da mu fali po negde jedna nula.
Evo jos jednog spiska:
America
-F-15K: 105mn(based on what South Korea paid for+goodies)
-F-15I: 83.81mn(based on what Israel paid for+offsets)
-F-15S: 125mn(based on what Saudi Arabia paid for)
-F-16blk50: 50.17mn>75mn(based on what Poland paid for+goodies+offsets) + 38.4mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 26mn(based on what Singapore paid for) + 63.6mn approx(based on what Chile paid for+goodies) + 44mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 42mn(based on what Greece paid for) + 26.9mn(based on what final order for USAF) + 93.33mn(based on what Oman was about to pay for+goodies before the deal was cancelled) + 75.75mn(based on what it was offered to Brazil+goodies+offsets) + 35mn(based on what South Korea paid for) + 31.9mn(based on what Egypt paid for)
-F-16blk60: 80mn(based on what UAE paid for+goodies+development)
-F-18E/F Super Hornet: 76mn>69mn(based on what USN paid for[2004 SH budget]) + 82.39mn(based on what it was offered to Malaysia for)
-F-22: 152.5mn>155mn(based on what USAF paid for) + 150mn(based on what USAF paid for 2nd time)
-RQ-1 Predator: 9.2mn(based on what Italy paid for)
-MQ-9 Predator B: 8.925mn<7.85mn(based on what USAF paid for the 1st time) + 10mn(based on what USAF paid for 2nd time)
-MQ-9A Predator B: 15mn(based on what USAF paid for)
-RQ-4 Global Hawk: 70mn(based on what USAF paid for)
-Avenger SAM: 1.8mn(based on what Taiwan paid for)
-E-2C: 190mn(based on what Taiwan paid for)
-E-2C 2000: 250mn(E-2C costs 190mn, the 2000 upgrade costs 60mn[based on what USN and Egypt paid for])
-737-700 Wedgetail: 285.8>196.6mn(based on what Australia paid for) + 375mn(based on what Turkey paid for)
-767 AWACS: 403.25mn(based on what Japan paid for first time)
-KC-135R: 63mn>70mn(based on what Singapore paid for+goodies) + 56mn(based on what Turkey paid for+goodies)
-T-6 Texan II: 5mn(based on what USA paid for)
-C-27J: 22.73mn(based on what Greece paid for)
-C-130J: 68.67mn>52mn(based on what USAF paid for) + 104mn(based on what UK paid for) + 50mn(based on what was offered to Kuwait)
-C-17: 180mn(based on what USAF paid for)
-Kaman K-Max: 6mn(based on what Peru paid for)
-UH-60L: 15.78mn(based on what Colombia paid for)
-Bell 206: 1.17mn>1.4mn(based on what Mexico paid for) + 935000(based on what Turkey paid for)
-Bell 412EP: 9.33mn>8.85mn(based on what Pakistan paid for) + 10.4mn(based on what Turkey paid for) + 8.75mn(based on what Turkey paid for second time)
-Bell-412SP/AB-412SP: 4.62mn>4.74mn(based on what Sweden paid for) + 4.5mn(based on what Sri Lanka paid for)
-CH-47D Chinook: 43.36mn>59.5mn(based on what UK paid for) + 37.25mn(based on what Egypt paid for) + 33.33mn(based on what Taiwan paid for)
-V-22 Osprey: 81mn(based on the estimated total cost of acquisition of all V-22s)
-AH-1Z: 44.44mn(based on what it was offered to South Korea+goodies)
-AH-64D Apache: 62.81mn>77.5mn(based on what Singapore paid for+goodies) + 56.25mn(based on what Greece paid for+goodies) + 50mn(based on what Kuwait paid for+goodies) + 63.63(based on what Israel paid for+goodies) + 66.67mn(based on what it was offered to South Korea+goodies)
-S-70A: 9.9mn>12.8mn(based on what Brunei paid for+goodies) + 7mn(based on what Turkey paid for)
-S-92: 114mn(based on what Canada paid for+goodies)
-S-80E: 43.75mn(based on what Turkey paid for)
-UH-60L: 16.43mn>11.22mn(based on what Turkey paid for+goodies+offsets) + 7.4mn(based on what US Army paid for) + 20.33mn(based on what Austria paid for+goodies+offsets) + 8.26mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 23.5mn(based on what Egypt paid for+goodies) + 17.5mn(based on what Thailand paid for+goodies) + 14.08mn(based on what was offered to Colombia+goodies) + 16.75mn(based on what Jordan paid for+goodies) + 28.82mn(based on what Kuwait paid for+goodies)
-UH-60JA: 33.38mn(based on what Japan paid for)

Russia
-Su-27SK: 32.7>30mn(based on what Vietnam paid for) + 35.4mn(based on what China paid for+goodies)
-Su-27IB: 36mn(based on what it was offered to various countries like India)
-Su-30MK: 30mn(based on what India paid for)
-Su-30MKK1/2/3: 38.75mn>37.5mn(based on what China paid for+goodies) + 40mn(based on what China paid for later+goodies)
-Su-30MKM: 50mn(based on what Malaysia paid for+goodies+development)
-Su-30MKI: 45mn(based on what India paid for+development)
-Su-35 Super Flanker: 35mn(offered to Brazil+goodies)
-Su-39 Frogfoot: 10mn(6mn was quoted by the Tbilisi factory for the Su-25 Scorpion, yet this one was quoted at around 8.3mn by the Ulan-Ude factory, at most it can be 10mn)
-Su-29M: 240000(based on what various countries/organizations/people paid for)
-Su-31M: 300000(based on what various countries/organizations/people paid for)
-Su-49: 300000 for base line version(quoted by Sukhoi officials), 700000 with full avionics(quoted by Sukhoi officials)
-Mig-29SMT: 30.35>30mn(based on what Algeria paid for+goodies) + 30.7mn(based on what Yemen paid for)
-Mig-29K: 43.75mn(based on what India paid for+goodies)
-Mig-29N: 33mn(based on what Malaysia paid for+goodies+offsets)
-Mig-110: 6-7mn(quoted by MiG officials)
-Mig-AT: 12mn(quoted by MiG officials)
-Yak-130: 10-12mn(quoted by Russian and Yakovlev officials)
-Tor-M1: 29.1mn(based on what Greece paid for+goodies)
-BUK-M1: 11.5mn/battery(based on what Finland paid for)
-BUK-M1-2/M2: probably around 13-15mn
-Igla: 60000(based on what various countries paid for)
-Igla-M: 104000>80000(based on what Malaysia paid for) + 128000(based on what Vietnam paid for)
-Igla-S: 80000+(will probably cost a little more than Igla-M)
-Pantsir S1: 14.6mn(based on what UAE paid for+goodies)
-Tamguska: 9.2mn(based on what India paid for)
-Kolchuga: 25mn+-(rumors said that Iraq paid that much for each system[realistically they did not get any])
-Il-76MF/-100: 30mn(quoted by Uzbek and Russian officials)
-Il-78M: 25mn(based on what India and China paid for)
-S-80: 6-6.5mn(quoted by Irkut/KnAAPO and Sukhoi officials)
-Mi-17: 4.29mn>4.25mn(based on what India paid for) + 3.9mn(based on what Pakistan paid for) + 4.28mn(based on what Algeria paid for) + 5mn(based on what Malaysia paid for) + 3.42mn(based on what Turkey paid for) + 4.9mn(based on what Colombia paid for) + 1.25mn(based on what Mexico paid for)
-Mi-17Sh: 7.5mn(based on what Iran paid for)
-Mi-26T: 10-12mn(quoted by Russian officials, although probably more)
-Mi-28N: 12-15mn(quoted by Mil officials, though it should be the same as the Ka-52)
-Ka-28: 8mn(based on what India paid for)
-Ka-31: 23mn(based on what India paid for)
-Ka-52: 12.5mn(based on what Yemen paid for)
-An-32V-200: 8.25(based on what it was offered to Poland)
-An-38-200: 2.6-3mn for Russian version & 4mn for Western version(quoted by Antonov officials)
-An-70: 35-50mn(quoted by Antonov officials)
-AN-74T-200: 11.08mn(based on what Iran paid for)
-An-124-100: 43mn(based on what Libya paid for, though realistically it would be much more)
-An-140: 9mn(based on what Libya paid for)
-Be-103: 1mn(based on what China paid for)
-Be-200: 20-22mn(quoted by Beriev officials)

China
-K-8 Karakorum/JL-8: 4.25mn(based on what Egypt paid for)
-FTC-2000/JL-9: 2.4mn(quoted flyaway cost by Chinese officials, though very unlikely)
-Y-8F-600/Y-8X: 20mn(quoted by Chinese officials)
-Y-12: 2mn for Chinese version(based on what various countries paid for), 3mn for Western version(based on what Canada paid for)
-FC-1: 15mn(quoted by Pakistani & Chinese officials)

Europe
-AS 550 Fennec: 3.64mn>4mn(based on what Malaysia paid for) + 5mn(based on what Brazil paid for) + 1.93mn(based on what UAE paid for)
-AS 350B3 Ecureuil: 1.225mn(based on what various customers paid for)
-AS 532UL/U2/UC/AS 332L2 Cougar: 18.72mn>12.65mn(based on what Turkey paid for) + 14.24(based on what Netherlands paid for) + 13.37mn(based on what Spain paid for) + 43.33mn(based on what Saudi Arabia paid for) + 17.33(based on what Switzerland paid for) + 11.38mn(based on what Brazil paid for)
-AS-365F/565SA Panther: 32.86mn(based on what UAE paid for+goodies)
-Super Lynx: 26.8>31.6mn(based on what South Africa paid for+goodies) + 22mn(based on what Germany paid for)
-A109M: 6.85mn(based on what Malaysia paid for)
-EC 130B4: 1.6mn(based on what various customers paid for)
-EC-120B Colibri: 1mn(based on what Spain paid for)
-NH-90 NFH: 30mn(based on what various countries paid for)
-NH-90 TTH: 40.19mn(based on what Greece paid for)
-SAAB 340 Erieye: 121mn(based on what Pakistan paid for)
-EH101 Merlin Naval: 63mn(based on what UK paid for)
-EH101 Merlin Tactical: 42mn(based on what UK paid for)
-PAH-2 Tiger: 52.5mn>62.5mn(based on what Spain paid for + goodies) + 42.5mn(based on what Australia paid for)
-PC-9M: 6.85mn>7.1mn(based on what Ireland paid for+all the goodies) + 6.6mn(based on what USAF paid for as T-6A Texan)
-Lasta 3: 1.5mn(quoted by Serbian officials)
-Grob G115: 282828(based on what a UK company paid for)
-SF-260M: 716666>433333(based on what Zimbabwe paid for) + 1mn(based on what Venezuela paid for+goodies)
-M-346: 12-14mn(quoted by Italian officials)
-Hawk LIFT: 24mn>22.5mn(based on what India paid for+goodies) + 31.6mn(based on what South Africa paid for+goodies) + 18.1mn(based on what Australia paid for+goodies)
-L-159A: 15mn(based on what it was offered to various countries)
-L-159B LIFT: 8.5mn(based on what it was offered to various countries)
-Gripen: 60.1mn>50mn(based on what it was offered to Brazil) + 45mn(based on what Pakistan said they would pay for them) + 65.3mn(based on what South Africa paid for+goodies) + 47mn(based on what Hungary paid for) + 93.2mn(based on what Czech Republic paid for)
-Mirage-2000-5: 108.3mn(based on what Qatar paid for+goodies+offsets)
-EF2000 Typhoon: 123mn(based on what Austria paid for+goodies+offsets)
-A400M: 114m(based on what Germany will pay for)
-C-295M: 35mn(based on what UAE paid for)
-CN-235-100: 15.59mn>12.85mn(based on what France paid for+goodies+offsets) + 18.33mn(based on what Colombia paid for)
-CN-235MP: 13.33mn(based on what Turkey paid for)
-C-212MP Aviocar: 9.85mn(based on what Portugal paid for)
-G 222: 22.67mn(based on what Thailand paid for)
-Sperwer UAV: 2.55mn(based on what Netherlands paid for)
-Mistral MANPAD: 400000>172215(based on what South Korea paid for) + 625000(based on what Brunei paid for) + 170000(based on what Ecuador paid for)
-Crotale: 24.18mn(based on what Greece paid for+goodies+offsets)

Israel
-Harpy UAV: 1.25mn(based on what India and Turkey paid for)
-Hunter UAV: 8.33mn(based on what France paid for) + 4.04mn(based on what Belgium paid for)
-Searcher UAV: 3mn(based on what Thailand paid for)
-Phalcon AEW: 395.5>366mn(based on what India paid for) + 425mn(what was offered to South Korea)
-Kfir C7 single seat: 8mn-Kfir C7 twin seat: 16mn(based on what various countries paid for)

India
-Tejas(LCA):21-25mn(quoted by Indian and HAL officials)
-Dhruv: 5mn(based on what it was offered to Chile by HAL)

Indonesia
-CN-235: 15.12mn>12.25(based on what Pakistan paid for) + 17.88mn(based on what SK paid for+offsets+goodies) + 16.83mn(based on what Malaysia paid for+offsets) + 13.5mn(based on what Brunei paid for)

Brazil
-EMB-145 Erieye: 125mn(based on what Greece paid for)
-EMB-314 Super Tucano: 5.5mn(based on what Dominican Republic paid for)
-AMT-100: 178571(based on what USA paid for)

South Korea
-T-50A Golden Eagle: 18mn(quoted by SK officials)
-T-50B LIFT/A-50 Golden Eagle: 20-22mn(quoted by SK officials)
-KT-1 Wong Bee: 8.5mn(based on what Indonesia paid for+goodies)

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DESpirit ::MiG-29 A/B (Fulcrum-A kakve imamo) košta svega $2,848,428 ; dok je recimo novija verzija M $7,744,220

Ma nema sanse...
Mi platili modernizaciju cetiri 29ke 30 miliona e, sto znaci da modernizacija jednog aviona tipa Mig-29A izadje 7.5 miliona, a nov kosta priblizno toliko...
Cudna neka matematika

Ovo su cijene polovnih, a ne novih 29'ki, starih i po 20'tak (A/B verzije) godina...Kada je Ron naveo ''novija verzija'' nemislim da je htio reći glanc nov (ispod čekića) već jedna od novijih generacija 29'ke koja može sad već biti i 10'ak g. stara kao polovan.
Ona tabela za koju je Ron dao link odnosi se na polovne helikoptere. To stoji i u samoj napomeni da se radi o helikopterima koji su već odavno povučeni iz upotrebe kod Rusa. Cijene novih letjelica koliko sam ja upoznat odgovaraju ovom spisku kojeg je aramis postovao, mada ih treba uzeti za okvirno jer na tržištu ne postoji jedinstvena fiksna cijena za avion (kao što postoji za npr. automobil) već se cijena dogovara međudržavnim ugovorom i mnogo zavisi kako od ofseta tako i kompletnog paketa (naoružanje, dijelovi, obuka pilota i tehničara...) koji može biti različit za svaku zemlju (zavisno šta ko želi i može da plati). Ali ako govorimo o nekoj okvirnoj pojedinačnoj cijeni, onda je ovaj aramisov spisak po meni OK.

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U principu cijene nisu astronomske. Ako npr. JAT ili Montenegroairlines mogu kupovati polovne avione stare 10 i vise god, zasto i vojska ne bi kupila kojeg polovnjaka tog godista?Nisu to neke pare, samo npr. neka se uzme po 1cent akciza po litru goriva, moze se obnoviti flota, a da se i ne osjeti.

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Realno:
Mi posto bi trebalo da se udjemo u NATO,trebalo bi uglavnom da imamo zapadnu tehniku ili delimicno nasu.Dovoljno je da imamo 80 borbenih aviona,20 jurisnih i 40 transportnih helikoptera.Mada Grci uglavnom imaju rusko naoruzanje:S-300,TOR M1,Transportere BMP-1,Hoverkrafte "ZUBR"itd.Od zapadne tehnike imaju avione,helikoptere,jurisne puske,ali ono glavno je rusko.Nego da neskrecem sa teme mi smo za migove platili 4.5 mil€,sto i nije tako skupo.Predlozio bih da na wikipedi pogledate sta je obuhvaceno modernizacijom naseg RV-a.U search-u ukucate serbian air force i pazljivo procitajte.