UAE Received Information on F/A-18, F-15
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8246060&c=MID&s=AIR Citat:Boeing provided information earlier this year on its F/A-18 and F-15 combat aircraft to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) as part of the gulf state's "open fighter competition," said Dennis Muilenburg, president and CEO of Boeing Defense, Space & Security.
Nije baš najnovija vest, ali da se zna da i prijatelji sa druge strane Atlantika ćekaju spremni...
AIRSHOW-UPDATE 1-Rafale warplane deal stalled, UAE says proposal 'unworkable' Citat:
"Thanks to President (Nicolas) Sarkozy, France could not have done more diplomatically or politically to secure the Rafale deal," Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed, deputy of the country's armed forces, said in a statement, adding that Sarkozy's "personal intervention in this process has sustained Dassault at the forefront of our considerations."
"Regrettably Dassault seem unaware that all the diplomatic and political will in the world cannot overcome uncompetitive and unworkable commercial terms," he said.
A source close to the deal blamed the current impasse on the "arrogance" of Dassault, despite French military officials saying they were confident about securing a deal and hopes of finalising the sale at the Dubai Air Show.
"There is a shared frustration in both the UAE and French leaderships at the apparent arrogance of Dassault," the source said.
"Rather than using the strength of the bilateral relationship to close the deal out they are attempting to use it to hold out on pricing and a deal structure that hasn't changed in more than a year and that has been significantly bettered by all competitors."
Baš sam ćitao na DefenceNews....
Dassault živi u nekim drugim vremenima...ono kada su odrali Iračane za F-1, i jim posle 20 godina ništa nisu dali, u ovom vremenu je vrednost tih para srozala na 30% a naravno nisu platili ni kamate...
Baš nije to vreme da se tako ponašaju...sada se ne ide na one profite iz prošlosti. Sada kada lete avioni 5. generacije...sada se radi da se preživi...Ne sviđa mi se to, jer će na kraju ostati u Evropi samo Nemaćka...
Mislim da francuzi nikada nisu gore prošli sa izvozom nekog svog novog aviona kao sa Rafalom, ali ne bojim se ja za njih...4 mistrala Rusima...ej...(koliko zemalja u svetu ima koje prodaju brodove te tonaže ?!)Pa THALES koji opskrbljuje svojim uredjajima od Rusa, Indije, Pakistana, Kine(kolike su samo kineske potrebe)Maleziju..., etc...ponavljam ne bojim se je za francusku ekonomiju, Auto industrija idi bre, da nakrive kapče...a posle mogu da se hvale kako oni jedini nisu hteli da prodaju svoje čedo ispod cene koju smatraju adekvatnom za takav sofisticirani komad orudja.
Da a kada Dassault ne mogne da isplati plate radnicima? I kada budu morali da zatvore projektni biro, pa kroz jedno 20-ak godina ne mognu da projektuju svoj novi avio koji ce naslijediti Rafal-a. Sve su to igre bez granica u kojima Francuzi izvlace zadnje mjesto zbog svoje arogancije.
Biće tu velikog američkog pritiska da se odabere F 16, ali nadam se da će se Emirati odlučiti za Eurofigher. Što se Dassault-a tiče, Francuzi sami sebi kopaju grob. Visokom cenom i lošom uslugom teraju mušterije. Ovaj snimak bi trebali da pogledaju u komisiji za kupovinu!
Ako bi prodali rafal otkupili bi svih 60 Mirage-2000-9(posto je to zahtev svakako za pobednika) i one iz 80-ih i ovu drugu polovinu sto je stara samo par godina misle da uvale(za ko zna koliko milijardi ) novoj slobodarskoj Libiji Pa nemozemo da vas bombardujemo 6 meseci za dzaba, ne ide to...
Verovatno je i EADS sabrao 2+2 i ako prodje Eurofighter uvali Mirage na isto mesto Nudjeni su nesto bili i Brazilu...
Dopuna: 18 Nov 2011 0:56
Citat:Dassault's track record on fighter deals is not comforting. In eight international competitions over the last decade, it has four losses (Netherlands, South Korea, Singapore and Morocco), one indecision (Brazil) and three still in competition (UAE, India and Switzerland). In both South Korea and Morocco, the Rafale enjoyed being perceived as the favourite but lost anyway.
Mohammed's statement may indicate that Dassault has not learned the lesson from the Morocco fiasco. It emerged after the Lockheed Martin was selected that the US offered 36 F-16s for less than $2 billion, while Dassault's bid proposed 18 Rafales for $3.2 billion. Talk about "uncompetitive and unworkable".
Jesu Ameri malo ponudili ispod cene za pocetak Maroko je uzeo 24 Block 50 za 2.4 milijarde ukljucujuci nesto delova, opreme i nekog oruzja u prvobitnom paketu.
Derailed Denouement in Dubai: What’s Up With the UAE’s Fighter Deal?
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Derailed-Denou.....eal-07202/ Citat:In support of the latter interpretation, an anonymous UAE government source is quoted using even harsher words than the crown prince. He describes the frustration with Dassault as “shared” between the UAE and France, adding that the firm is leaning on the French relationship to “hold out on pricing and a deal structure that hasn’t changed in more than a year and that has been significantly bettered by all competitors.”
Celu godinu jedno te isto...
“Riad Kahwaji, chief executive officer of the Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis (INEGMA).... who is well connected in Abu Dhabi… [says the potential Rafale deal] has been reduced from 60 fighters, with the balance shifted to a follow-on order of some number of F-16 Block 60s. Northrop Grumman, which supplies the APG-80 agile beam radar for the Block 60, confirmed this strategy today. Northrop told [Flight International’s] Greg Waldron that the UAE is considering a follow-on order for the Block 60.”
TOP GUN ::Jesu Ameri malo ponudili ispod cene za pocetak Maroko je uzeo 24 Block 50 za 2.4 milijarde ukljucujuci nesto delova, opreme i nekog oruzja u prvobitnom paketu.
Deraju te arape amerikanci... ili su tu velike provizije u pitanju koje se vračaju onda kraljevskoj familiji.
F-16 Blok 50 za 100 milki $ po komadu? Za te pare Evropske države dobiju opremljene EF2000 ili Gripene sa kompletnim naoružanjem, rezervnim delovima, trenažerima, obukom + offset.
jazbar ::TOP GUN ::Jesu Ameri malo ponudili ispod cene za pocetak Maroko je uzeo 24 Block 50 za 2.4 milijarde ukljucujuci nesto delova, opreme i nekog oruzja u prvobitnom paketu.
Deraju te arape amerikanci... ili su tu velike provizije u pitanju koje se vračaju onda kraljevskoj familiji.
F-16 Blok 50 za 100 milki $ po komadu? Za te pare Evropske države dobiju opremljene EF2000 ili Gripene sa kompletnim naoružanjem, rezervnim delovima, trenažerima, obukom + offset.
Sto se tice EF-a i nije bas tako,jazbar... Da te podsetim na komsije Austrijance,cenu njihovih aviona i prateci (u stvari gotovo nepostojeci) "paket",koji je rezultovao operativnom upotrebljivoscu manje od polovine flote,za svega par meseci eksploatacije...
Pa nemozemo da vas bombardujemo 6 meseci za dzaba, ne ide to...
Nudjeni su nesto bili i Brazilu...
Maroko je uzeo 24 Block 50 za 2.4 milijarde ukljucujuci nesto delova, opreme i nekog oruzja u prvobitnom paketu.
