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torpediran vojni brod Južnokorejske morn

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rade012 ::Yellow Pinky ::Za ovaj brod u opisu na wikipediji stoji "The ship's primary mission was coastal patrol, with an emphasis on anti-submarine operations."
Da li je moguce da ovaj brod nije na sonaru video podmornicu i preduzeo odgovarajuce mere izbegavanja torpeda ?


Vrlo moguće... pod pretpostavkom da je stvarno torpedovan, pitanje je koji je imao sonar, da li je bio ispravan, da li je poslužilac obučen za rad na sonaru.... itd.


Pa postoje 2 verzije tih korveti, jedna je sa smanjenim protivpodmornickim a ojacanim protivbrodskim naoruzanjem ( sa Harpun raketama a bez bacaca dubinskih bombi) e pa potonuli broj je ta druga protivbrodska verzija.



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Rescue operation on sunken S.Korean naval ship continues
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vathra ::Обзиром да је дубина мора на месту потапања 20-30 метара, тешко да је подморница у питању. Исто тако, и торпеда са брода би имала проблем.

Ako je podmornica odgovorna za potapanje korvete onda je verovatno mini podmornica u pitanju.

SK mornarica ima oko 30 M-100-D mini podmornice (varijanta Jugoslovenske "UNA' klase?)....priobalne vode ne bi trebalo da predstavljaju veci problem



Citat:M100-D Midget Submarine:

Class: midget submarines - 3 MG110 (Una class?)
Displacement: 118 tons submerged, 80 surfaced
Dimensions: 27.8 x 5.6 x ?? meters (91 x 18.5 x ?? feet)
Propulsion: Electric
Speed (kts): 7 dived, 5 surfaced
Diving depth: n/k
Crew: 6 + 8 swimmers
Armament: 2 21 inch torpedoes, 8 limpet mines

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Special hatches were equipped in the bottom of M-100D Midget Submarine.
M-100D was able to take out the special attack team outside without appearing on the surface of the sea.

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Ali verovatnije je da je brod potonuo zbog eksplozije unutar samog broda (nesreca) ili su mozda naleteli na minu.

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Citat: * The web says the Cheonan was a Pohang class frigate – small and dated maybe, but equipped with sonar and Mk 46 torpedoes. Designed to tackle subs, in at least some capacity.If it turns out that an antiquated sub from the North sank the Cheonan, maybe it reinforces the maxim that at sea, there are subs, and then there are targets.
Specs:

* Length-88 meters
* Width-10 meters
* Draft-2.9 meters
* Weight-1300 tons full
* Speed-32 knots
* Range-4000 miles at 15 knots (?)
* Crew-95
* Armament-ASW version: Torpedoes, depth charges, hull mounted sonar 2-Exocet ASM
AAW version: 2-40mm cannons
All-1 or 2-76mm OTO Melara cannon



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Kriza u žutom moru -

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Danas sam negde procitao da je moguci izrok potonuca broda, udar broda u minu. Minu koje je mozda postavila Severna Koreja, ali se ne odbacuje ni mogucnost da je mina zaostala iz vremena Korejskog rata.

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JK ronilac nastradao tokom spasilacke operacije Shocked

Diver dies on Korean warship rescue mission
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O aktivnostima SK mini-podmornica za vreme incidenta...

Citat:N. Korean Mini-sub(s) on the Move around the Time of Ship Sinking

Ryu Yong-won, military affairs correspondent
2010.03.31

S. Korean and U.S. intelligence authorities report on the N. Korean mini subs:

"Disappeared from their base and came back a few days later"

Speculation is abound on what sunk the Navy Ship 'Cheonan,' including the possibility of torpedo and mine attack by N. Korean mini-submarine(s) or half-submersible mini-vessel(s,) it has been confirmed that their mini-sub(s) (or half-submersible mini-vessel(s)) disappeared around Mar. 26, the day of (Cheonan's)sinking, from N. Korea's Yellow Sea submarine base which is located not far from Baek-ryong Island, (the island right next to) the site of incident.

Government sources said on Mar. 30, "We have learned that the analysis of photos from U.S. recon satellites right after Cheonan's sinking showed that mini-sub(s) (or half-submersible mini-vessel(s)) disappeared from (NK's) Sagot naval base, which is 50 km away from Baek-ryong Island, for a few days spanning before and after the incident, and returned to their base." It has not been ascertained how many of them and what kind of model were involved.

The sources added, "Those N. Korean vessels move in and out of their base from time to time, and it may be difficult to ascertain if they are implicated in the incident." Yugo class mini-sub weighs 85 ton and armed with two 406mm torpedoes. They are capable of operating in shallow water, about 30m deep.

Half-submersible mini-vessels are smaller, difficult to be detected by radars even while moving on the surface, and can fire two torpedoes, the sources said, thereby not denying the possibility of attack by half-submersibles.


i jos nesto zanimljivo...

Citat:N.Korea 'Runs Naval Suicide Squads'

(isecak)
..........One former North Korean sailor who defected to South Korea said the suicide squads have many semi-submersible vessels that can carry two bombers and either two torpedoes or two floating mines. In areas like the West Sea where the underwater current is fast, the suicide bombers train with mines rather than torpedoes.

One defector who served in North Korea's intelligence service, said, "Following the first naval battle in 1999, North Korea realized that it cannot defeat the South Korean Navy by conventional means and began studying unconventional methods."

The best method is said to be the use of "acoustic mines" carried by small, semi-submersibles that travel at speeds of less than 2 km/h. The craft could be detected by South Korean sonar if they travel any faster. If the underwater squads returned after placing the mines on the hull of a ship, it would be very difficult to find evidence of the attack.

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Sledece jos uvek nije 100% potvrdjeno ali je brod navodno prepolovljen na pola....prvi izvestaji su pominjali eksploziju pozadi....morate priznati da sve ovo postaje prilicno sumnjivo

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gledajuči lokaciju gdje je ladja potonula, nebi me čudilo da je moguča mina stara 14 dana.

I ja bi je stavio, da se mi neprijatelj vozi pred nosom.

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Мени чињеница да је ова вест врло брзо нестала говори да званичници знају више него што говоре, и да не сумњају на непријатељску акцију.

Преживели не наводе да су видели ишта што личи на торпедо.

Друго, питање је колико је терен погодан за било какав скривени напад. Море је плитко, видљивост је мала, а струје су брзе.

Ако је брод налетео на стару мину, сигурно није нека са напредним упаљачем (батерија би се одавно истрошила), већ са контактним. Колико је вероватно да таква мина удари у средину или испод крме брода?

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vathra ::Мени чињеница да је ова вест врло брзо нестала говори да званичници знају више него што говоре, и да не сумњају на непријатељску акцију.

Zavisi. JK zvanicnici su pre par dana prakticno iskljucili nesrecu kao uzrok eksplozije.

Mozda im je namera da malo stisaju strasti. Koja im je alternativa?...da optuze Sever bez dokaza i otpocnu opsti rat?

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Taso ::Mozda im je namera da malo stisaju strasti. Koja im je alternativa?...da optuze Sever bez dokaza i otpocnu opsti rat?
Дешавало се и раније...
Али у сваком случају, изгледа да није у питању намера југа да инцидент искористи као повод за рат.

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