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Моји подаци нису везани за последњи текст на Т6. Писао сам да су извори са руског сајта "Военное обозрение".

Тамо је таксативно наведено шта се набавља (има и у другим изворима), а то је и логично. Дакле набавља се 4 батерије односно следеће компоненте:
4 уређаја за управљање ватром (командне станице); 4 мобилна 3Д радара (МАДР 2084 ММР-ГБАД); 16 лансера; 4 транспортно-претоварна возила; противваздухопловне ракете кратког и средњег домета; услуге обуке особља.

Дакле у једну батерију иде само 1 ОАР МАДР 2084 ММР-ГБАД са командном станицом (Центром за управљање ватром), не 4. То си верујем направио случајну омашку. Поред тога, иду и 4 лансера, 1 транспортно-претоварно возило и одговарајући број ракета.

А иначе, набавка система Спајдер МР као замена за Куб је проблематична и по ценама и по намени.
Да се не би понављао, мислим да сам овде доста исписао, али имате мој текст на Т6, па ако желите пронађите га. Ту постоји, рекао бих сасвим солидна анализа израелских система ПВО, па тако и Спајдера СР и МР, а у смислу евентуалног коришћења код нас.
Сматрам да сам текст урадио максимално неутрално и непристрасно.
Укуцајте, ако желите, "Tango Six - Izraelski PVO sistemi" и ту има детаљније.



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Pa pre ce biti obrnuto, da je dosadasnji sistem bio problematican po koncepciji i nameni za to sto njima treba. Oni su ostali sa KUB-om kao jedinim PVO sistemom, sto znaci da prastari sistem trupne PVO mora da nakaradno glumi PVO teritorije kao i kod nas sto radi. Sad ce stvarno dobiti sistem za PVO teritorije srednjeg dometa. Za njih kao omanju NATO drzavu u sred Evrope to u potpunosti radi posao. Za kratki domet imaju RBS-70NG.

Ako pogledamo sta se drugo nudi na trzistu zapadnih PVO sistema slicne klase imamo Micu VL, Nasams, Iris-T SL, Bamse. Spyder je realno bolji.

Nemaju potrebu za novim Patriotima, Asterom ili Barak ER.



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Ne znam koliko ce ovo biti razmatrano od strane korisnika, ali vidim mogucnost za Singapur i Vijetnam. Naime, nova Rafaelova krilata krstareca raketa Storm Braker je pravljena kao plug and play i staje u lansere od Spyder-a. Data link i covek u petlji prilikom navodjenja.

Prvi put bi PVO sistem mogao da bude i napadacki.

Citat:“Sea Breaker provides surgical, pin-point precision strikes from stand-off ranges of up to 300 km. It features an advanced IIR (Imaging Infra-Red) seeker, ideal for engagement of maritime and land targets, stationary or moving, in advanced Anti Access/Area Denial (A2/AD) arenas, and in littoral or brown water, including archipelago, as well as for engagements in which previous generation RF-seeker-based missiles are not effective,” Rafael said in a June 30 statement.

Citat:Sea Breaker is intended for naval ships, such as frigates, and also land-based launchers. Rafael said it fits in its Spyder launchers, enabling a plug-and-play format that means air defense missiles can be stacked with Sea Breaker in the same battery. This kind of open architecture and plug-and-play model has been seen before with Rafael’s SkyCeptor, which can be used in a Patriot battery. Spyder is usually equipped with I-Derby and Python-5 missiles.

The new system includes a 250-pound (113-kilogram) “penetration, blast and fragmentation warhead, making a single hit effective enough to neutralize a frigate-sized ship,” Rafael said. The 250-pound warhead size is similar to the Mark 81 bomb.

“The missile’s data link supports real-time, man-in-the-loop decision-making and tactical updates. It also features a midflight abort capability and battle damage assessment,” the company said.


https://www.militarytimes.com/industry/2021/07/02/.....AbfL-2-1-8

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Čist PR. Kad mu nafiluješ ovu raketu nije više PVO sistem. S300/400 serija i standard serija imaju pomoćni udarni mod. Tu nema menjanja rakete, samo bije dole a ne gore. Ovo mi liči na ideju Panzira o kojoj sam čitao, da nosi i PO rakete Hermes, što ima malo logike za male brodove i za Panzir trupni koji će biti bliže prvoj liniji. Ovo mi nema logike obzirom da je sistem teritorijalne PVO i uvek je ta multirole ideja nakaradna tj inferiorna u odnosu na krštena rešenja. Vijetnam ako ih Kina napadne ili Češku Rusija, sve se bojim da će prepakivati kontejnere da uglave krstareću dok im iznad glave zuji sve i svašta.

Isto tako kopneni Aegis u Rumuniji može dobiti Tomahavke, pa nisu vikali da je to prvi put. Lansirne čelije su iste, zato je i bilo ruskih protesta.

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Zasto je BUK u fokus nekih komentara? Mislim na poredjenje sa Spyder? Da li je uopste bio u razmatranju kod Ceha ili je to po principu "sta je nama milo"?


@...
Rusi da napadnu Cehe jedino preventivni udar scenario "sudnji dan". Laughing

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Citat:The Israeli Defense Ministry (IMoD) has signed an agreement to sell air defence systems produced by Rafael to the Czech Republic Ministry of Defense (MoD). Under the government-to-government agreement, the Czech Republic will receive four Rafael SPYDER batteries. The SPYDER system includes a radar array produced by Elta, a subsidiary of Israel Aerospace Industries. The deal also includes the Czech defence industries’ involvement. Worth approximately $520m (ILS2bn), the deal was signed under the guidance of SIBAT, the International Defense Cooperation Directorate of the IMoD. The agreement was signed by IMoD Director-General major general Amir Eshel and Czech Republic Armaments and Acquisition Deputy Minister Lubor Koudelka.
Arrow https://militaryleak.com/2021/10/06/rafael-to-deli.....ed-forces/

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Kolumbijci zainteresovani za Spyder ADS – IIR
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Ceska dobila prvi radar ELM-2084 MMR
First IAI ELM-2084 MMR Multi-Mission Radar Delivered to Czech Republic from Israel
Arrow https://militaryleak.com/2022/04/05/first-iai-elm-.....om-israel/

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Filipinci dobili simulator
PAF receives air defense system simulator
Arrow https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/nation/.....tor/story/


Citat:The Philippine Air Force accepted the Spyder Philippines Air Defense System (SPADS) Simulator – Training Center at Basa Air Base on Apr. 26.

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Etiopija nabavila Spyder-MR i od 2019.godine cuvaju branu zbog koje se svadjaju sa egipcanima i sudancima
Citat:Ethiopian news agencies reportedly claimed that two Israeli firms, Israeli Aerospace Industries and Rafael, had installed Spyder-MR defense systems near the GERD in July 2019. The system is guided by an Elta radar making it effective against aircraft flying at low and medium altitudes, UAVs, cruise missiles, and precision-guided munitions within the system’s range. However, the military effectiveness of any Ground Based Air Defence (GBAD) system is not only measured by the missile range or radar type, but also by whether; 1) the system is part of some larger GBAD network, and 2) if the GBAD network itself is integrated into a larger doctrinal employment to fully defend a given airspace. Unfortunately for Ethiopia, these two factors are not met.

Regarding the first network requirement, Ethiopia is managing the Spyder-MR as a stand-alone system. In other words, the Spyder-MR is detached from the entire Ethiopian GBAD network and has to be managed by a separate crew to keep it operational, which reduces the system’s effectiveness. Ethiopia is unable to integrate the Spyder-MR into its current GBAD network because most of the existing network is dependent on outdated Soviet technology or recently procured systems of Chinese origin.

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