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Poslao: 03 Maj 2019 20:07
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German majority rejects the country’s pledge to meet NATO’s target for rising military spending;
69% of Germans want more cooperation with Russia, only 35% with America;
consistent majority refuses to defend Poland & Baltic states if Russia invaded them
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-nato-russi.....-military/
Citat:If there’s a moment that betrays Germany’s wobbly geopolitical instincts, it is Berlin's we-won't-think-of-fighting response to Russian military maneuvers that followed Moscow’s takeover of Crimea.
About three weeks after Russia’s flag was hoisted over Crimea’s parliament building in 2014, up to 40,000 of its troops were reportedly massing along Ukraine’s eastern border. U.S. General Phillip Breedlove, NATO’s supreme allied commander in Europe, speaking at a German Marshall Fund event in Brussels, described the build-up as "very, very sizeable, very, very ready" and "very worrisome." 
German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen, a Christian Democrat, responded with solidarity and concern, saying that it is important for NATO countries bordering Russia that the alliance "show its presence" there.
Then she got clobbered. "The impression must not be given that we’re playing with military options, even in theoretical terms," warned Sigmar Gabriel, then the Social Democrat economy minister and vice chancellor.
Rather than defend von der Leyen, Chancellor Angela Merkel stayed silent. Gabriel’s words — signaling doubt about a U.S. general’s description of a real-time Russian threat and making clear Germany’s flight from military commitment — were allowed to define Berlin’s position at a critical point in modern European history.
More immediately troubling in Germany’s relations with America and Russia — and arguably more important than the effect of any perceived disruption caused by U.S. President Donald Trump — is the increasingly unfavorable view of the West, and the refusal of obligations to the West, that has hardened in the German mindset.
A German majority rejects the country’s pledge to meet NATO’s target for rising military spending; 69 percent of the German public want more cooperation with Russia and only 35 percent with America; a consistent German polling majority refuses to defend Poland and the Baltic states if Russia invaded them.
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Registruj se da bi učestvovao u diskusiji. Registrovanim korisnicima se NE prikazuju reklame unutar poruka.
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Poslao: 05 Maj 2019 14:45
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Da li je realno da izuzev Amera niko ne salje na Baltik razarace sa PBR mogucnostima, sve neki ASW ili AAW brodovi.
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Poslao: 05 Maj 2019 15:21
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Valjda kontaju da bi ofanzivne brodove zamenila avijacija, a s obzirom na snagu , raspored i blizinu potencijalnog napadača ne žele da žrtvuju skuplje jedinice. Konkretno ih najviše zanima raspored podmornica .
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Poslao: 05 Maj 2019 15:52
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Ameri salju novije Burke tamo no problem je da Evropljanima nedostaju brodovi sposobni za PBR .. Engleski D klasa je tipican AAW a skup je gotovo ko Burke. Ameri nemaju tipicne brodove za kojima bi lovili podmornice tako da tu su bas kratki.Tek sada vide koliko su im znacile OP frigate. LCS brodovi mogu se koristiti za to preko MH Seahawka ali oni su ko glineni golub ako ih primjeti cak i raketni camac.
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Poslao: 05 Maj 2019 22:01
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^ Amerikanci idu sa borbenim grupama koje imaju u sastavu i podmornicu ili dve i u tim grupama svaki brod ima svoj zadatak + najmanje polovica njih specijalizovana za protupodmorničko dejstvo. Ne plove sa brodom ili dva ko Nemci danas i u 2SR sa đepnim razaračima, koje su im zbog brojnog manjka lako uništili Britanci svojim makar slabije naoružanim flotilama.
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Poslao: 05 Maj 2019 23:19
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jazbar ::^ Amerikanci idu sa borbenim grupama koje imaju u sastavu i podmornicu ili dve i u tim grupama svaki brod ima svoj zadatak + najmanje polovica njih specijalizovana za protupodmorničko dejstvo. Ne plove sa brodom ili dva ko Nemci danas i u 2SR sa đepnim razaračima, koje su im zbog brojnog manjka lako uništili Britanci svojim makar slabije naoružanim flotilama.
Nije poenta mog posta americka borbena grupa, nego evropske mornarica i njihove mogucnosti , sve su manje vise specijalizovanog tipa u sklopu USN borbene grupe svaka ima svoj deo i to vjerovatno odrade kako treba, ali zamisli 1 evropsku borbenu grupu na celu sa DeGaulom i na drugu stranu Rusku za Kuzjem ili Kinesku sa njihovim nosacem..
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