Rat Rusija-Ukrajina 2023 - komentari

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Slonic, jel imas link objave suspendovanja U.S letova nad Crnim morem?
Od Utorka petnaest puta ponavljaju da ce da nastave sa letovima.

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@Milos1977
pogledat ću navečer. pogledao sam dosta videa i pročitao dosta članaka o ovom događaju u toku zadnja 24 sata, pa mi se teško sjetiti gdje sam to vidio, mislim da je govorio o tome jedan od onih bivših CIA službenika kod suca Napolitana.

inače, znam da su izjave za javnost da će se nastaviti letovi neometano, ali ja više njemu vjerujem, oni jednostavno ne mogu povodom toga reći ništa drugačije, jer bi to bilo priznanje da je Rusija nekakav faktor, a oni to u svojoj javnosti potpuno negiraju.

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Ovo mi se činilo zanimljivo a nisam našao odgovarajuću temu pa stavljam tu. Ukrajinci sami priznaju da puno toga ne mogu srušiti

Citat:🇷🇺🚀🇺🇦The Armed Forces of Ukraine stated that they could not shoot down ballistic missiles

As noted by the speaker of the command of the Air Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Yuri Ignat, the "narrow-profile" aviation anti-radar missiles X-31P and similar air-to-ground missiles of shorter range also do not go down

The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), in addition to the Russian hypersonic Kinzhal and X-22 missiles, cannot shoot down ballistic missiles, in particular, the Iskander-M tactical missile system, as well as guided missiles from the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system and even Smerch rocket launchers. This was told by the speaker of the command of the Air Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Yuri Ignat.

"We don't shoot down ballistic missiles. In particular, Iskander-M <...>. Also, unfortunately, it is not possible to intercept multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), such as Smerch," he said in an interview with Ukrainian Channel 24 published on Thursday. - All these missiles fly fast, along a ballistic trajectory and they actually fall on the target with great speed. In order to shoot down what is already falling, special anti-aircraft missile systems are needed. We also include S-300 anti-aircraft guided missiles in ballistics."

In addition, the AFU is not capable of shooting down supersonic Onyx cruise missiles. "Also, the "narrow-profile" aviation anti-radar missiles X-31P and similar shorter-range air-to-ground missiles do not go astray," Ignat continued.

He explained that the air defense system of Ukraine can counteract only those missiles that, according to their characteristics, can be shot down by the complexes in service. "The main complexes that we have in service are the Buk-M1 and S-300," he clarified and pointed to the "critical need" for modern air defense systems.

As an example, Ignat said that for all the time Ukraine has not been able to shoot down a single supersonic cruise missile X-22. Due to the speed of the missile, the air defense forces, although they detect it, do not physically have time to intercept it with the S-300 complex. "In order to shoot down the X-22, Ukraine needs an anti-aircraft missile system that can operate in automatic mode, that is, it will independently make decisions without human participation - with the latest radar and a modern missile," he said. However, this does not guarantee the result.

Ignat has previously stated that the Ukrainian air defense system is not capable of shooting down Russian hypersonic missiles "Dagger" and X-22. According to an article by The Washington Post, Russia's use of hypersonic Dagger missiles in Ukraine showed that the United States and its allies do not possess similar weapons, which are difficult to intercept with modern missile defense systems. According to a number of domestic and Western experts, even modern air defense systems are not able to shoot down a missile of the latest Russian complex.

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Beric kaze da su Rusi stigli na mjesto pada drona i da je u toku njegovo izvlacenje iz mora.
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Pišu da je na 850-900 metara i da se čeka ovaj "deda" da ga izvuče


Citat:American drone MQ-9 found at a depth of 900 meters. Above it, the duty of the Black Sea Fleet ships was established in order not to let anyone near the crash site. The issue of its rise is being resolved.

There is a ship in the Black Sea Fleet that is capable of doing this - the legendary "Commune" built in 1913. Rebuilt many times and having a huge track record of underwater work (including the recovery of several submarines, as well as aircraft and ships), it has deep-sea vehicles capable of operating at a depth of up to 1 km.

By the way, Commune has experience in lifting foreign equipment. In 1928, she raised the sunken British submarine L-55 in the Baltic, which was blown up by mines while evading Soviet destroyers.
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slonic_tonic ::
inače, znam da su izjave za javnost da će se nastaviti letovi neometano, ali ja više njemu vjerujem, oni jednostavno ne mogu povodom toga reći ništa drugačije, jer bi to bilo priznanje da je Rusija nekakav faktor, a oni to u svojoj javnosti potpuno negiraju.

Od jučer svako malo pratim Flight radar 24 i već 2 dana iznad Crnog mora sve čisto, bar ništa s transponderom.
Nešto se muvaju uz granicu s Bjelorusijom po Baltičkim državama i iznad Rumunjske uz Moldaviju, ali iznad Crnog mora njet (bar kad sam se ja spajao i gledao, a inače su ti letovi po par sati pa bih sigurno naletio)

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Poljske 29ke zvanično kreću za Ukrajnu. Modifikovane verivatno na način kao nijedan do sada. Šagod to značilo.

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Мени делује да колективни запад предвођен САД-ом брзо и лако устукне када им се покажу зуби.
Зато и мислим да неће летети изнад Црног мора неко време. Али после неког времена ће опет полако да крену. Ако их тада Руси опет ударе онда неће летети до краја рата.

Што се тиче пољских авиона. По мени сулудо и бескорисно слати тако мали број авиона. Шта ће урадити неколико авиона? Који су узгред застарели. Ако их шаљу сукцесивно у малим количинама а у не тако честим интервалима само ће себи нанети штету. Разоружаће се Пољаци.

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Naprotiv, Poljaci se naoružavaju. Ne brini za njih.

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Skakac7 ::
Што се тиче пољских авиона. По мени сулудо и бескорисно слати тако мали број авиона. Шта ће урадити неколико авиона? Који су узгред застарели. Ако их шаљу сукцесивно у малим количинама а у не тако честим интервалима само ће себи нанети штету. Разоружаће се Пољаци.
pa nije im to toliko loše. To je jedino što trenutno mogu, a Ukrajinci su pokazali da štedljivo gospodare s avionima.
Tu i tamo će baciti neki JDAM i tako to.

Nije to tako zanemariv problem, jer Rusi ne drže svoje PZO blizu fronte, pa ako uzmeš da ih odmaknu 30-40 km, a onda još dodaj ovih 70 km dometa ER-JDAM-a to je već preko 100 km razmaka između aviona i PZO i šansa je velika da će se avion dignuti na 10 km, baciti JDAM s unaprijed unešenim koordinatama cilja i odmah pobjeći natrag.

ono što bi trebalo je da imaju lovačku avijaciju i AWACS cijelo vrijeme u zraku, kao što bi to imali Amerikanci, ali ne znam da li će to raditi.