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Hughes/McDonnell/Boeing AH-64 Apache

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Odlican tekst o Apaču (ponajvise o Longbow verziji):
http://www.ausairpower.net/longbow-aa.html

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Evo jednog linka koje je Mean postavio vezano za metalni i kompozitni oklop.

http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2009/10/russian-a.....opter.html





Jasno je da Kamov ima izuzetno veliki udeo kompozita, ali rusi su dosli do zakljucka da je kombinacija metalnog i kompozitnog sendvica daleko efikasnija od svega postojeceg sto mozemo da nadjemo na stranim helikopterima ukljucujuci tu i Tigar helikopter.

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Imali su Ameri golemo iskustvo iz Vijetnama. Kod Kobre losa oklopljenost je bila manji problem u odnosu motor. Cim bi ostala bez motora kraj price. Zato su Apac razvili tako da moze da zavrsi misiju samo sa jednim motorom. Zato se islo na optimum izmedju tezine oklopa i raspolozive snage motora.

To se kasnije pokazalo kao pametna odluka jer su 2003 kod Karbale uleteli u iracko osinje gnezdo (radili su pat-ovi od 57mm) a rezultata toga je da su od 31 helikoptera u bazu se vratila 29 (od cega je jedan otpisan a ostali opravljeni).

Citat:Of the 29 returning Apaches, all but one suffered serious damage. On average each helicopter had 15-20 bullet holes. One helicopter took 29 hits. Sixteen main rotor blades, six tail blades, six engines and five drive shafts were damaged beyond repair. In one squadron only a single helicopter was deemed fit to fly.

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@mean
Prevod ti glasi ; "Od 29 Apaca koji su se vratila,svi su,sem jednog,pretrpeli ozbiljna ostecenja..."
Znaci svih 29 su se vratili,nijedan nije otpisan,samo je jedan bio neostecen (ili lako ostecen) i u jednom 'skvadronu' su samo jednog odmah uspeli da osposobe za let (ostali su morali duze vremeda ostanu na popravci)...

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Napisano: 03 Apr 2012 0:58

Kroz sta su sve prosli to sto su morali da ih sredjuju posle nije toliki problem.
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On average each helicopter had 15-20 bullet holes. One helicopter took 29 hits. Sixteen main rotor blades, six tail blades, six engines and five drive shafts were damaged beyond repair.


Dobar deo ostecenih delova je nezasticen od paljbe, a da su izgleda iracani koristili i topovi kalibra 57mm Shocked

Koliko su osteceni i nije bitno za celu pricu vec sam hteo da naglasim sta je Amerima bilo bitnije i da su preziveli ozbiljan sukob iako su helisi prilicno slabo oklopljeni. Najteze povredjeni je pogodjen u vrat iz kalasnjikova kroz bocni prozor. To govori koliko je tesko pogoditi letelicu koja manevrise, jer da je lako bilo bi znatno vise ranjenih a verovatno i poginulih. Sa druge strane kod nekih helikoptera vece ostecenje jednog motora dovodi do pada iako im je oklop bolji.

Oklopna zastita Ah-64A:


Koliko vidim kod njega ni prednje staklo nije pancirno, a polozaj pilota to potvrdjuje Mr. Green

Dopuna: 03 Apr 2012 1:43

Jel neko ima vise podataka u vezi oklopa Ka-52? Pitam jer sam nailazio na podatak da su samo sedista oklopljena.

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Mislim da sam i ja naletao na taj podatak (nije potvrdjen) ;
mislim da je oklop kabine (kao na Ka-50) odbacen zbog povecanja tezine.
Za Ka-50 se znalo npr. da je zasticen sa 350kg titanijuma,za Ka-52 ne postoji takav podatak o tezini titanijumskog oklopa...

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Znajuci koliko je tezak akvarijum od stakla debline 40mm koji ima manju povrsinu od "staklene" povrsine Ka-52, mislim da bi tezina pancirnog stakla od 50mm koje ima Ka-50 mogla bez problema da poveca tezinu za par stotina kilograma. Sad se postavlja pitanje koliko bi morali da budu jaki detonatori koji se koriste za razbijanje kupole prilikom katapultiranja pilota da Ka-52 koristi pancirno staklo kao i Ka-50?
Takodje se mora postaviti i pitanje da li je samo debljina zastitnog stakla smanjena ili je oduzeto i od drugih delova zastitnog oklopa? Znamo da Ka-52 koristi 85% delova Ka-50, ali tih 15% koji su razliciti se upravo odnosi na kokpit!

Sto se tice Apaca, ima i ovakvih podataka:

Helicopters
April 1, 2006 - AH-64D Apache from 4-4th Avn shot down southwest of Baghdad, killing the two crewmen.
January 16, 2006 - AH-64D Apache from 1-4th Avn shot down north of Baghdad, probably by a SA-7, killing the two pilots.
January 13, 2006 - OH-58D Kiowa from 1-10th Avn shot down near the al-Sukar district of Mosul, killing the two pilots.
January 7, 2006 - UH-60L Black Hawk from 1-207th Avn crashes near Tal Afar, killing 12 people on board.
December 26, 2005 - AH-64 Apache from 1-4th Avn collides with another Apache near Baghdad, killing two pilots on one of the helicopters.
November 2, 2005 - AH-1W SuperCobra 165321 from HMLA-369 shot down near Ramadi, killing the two Marines on board.
August 30, 2005 - An OH-58D(I) Kiowa 90-0037 from 4-3rd ACR crashed in Iraq.
August 12, 2005 - AH-64 Apache crashes near Kirkuk, injuring the two pilots.
July 2, 2005 - CH-47D Chinook 85-24335 from C Company/159th Avn destroyed in a fire on the ground at Ramadi Camp.
June 27, 2005 - AH-64D Apache from 3-3d Avn shot down near Taji, killing the two pilots.
May 31, 2005 - An Italian AB-412 helicopter crashes near Nasiriyah, killing the four soldiers on board.
May 26, 2005 - An OH-58D(I) Kiowa from 1-17th Cav is shot down near Baquba, killing the two crewmen.
May 21, 2005 - A CH-47D Chinook 85-24335 from B Company/4-123rd Avn crashes in Iraq due to failure of both engines. Five crewmen injured. [1]
January 28, 2005 - OH-58 Kiowa from 1-7th Cav crashes in Baghdad, killing the two crewmen.
January 26, 2005 - CH-53E Super Stallion 164536 from HMH-361 crashes in Al-Anbar province, killing 30 US Marines and one Navy sailor.
December 15, 2004 - A PZL W-3 Sokół crashes near Karbala due to pilots error; three Polish soldiers are killed and four injured.
December 9, 2004 - AH-64A Apache 91-0012 from A Company/1-151st Avn hit a UH-60L Black Hawk 82-23668 from N Company/4-278th ACR on the ground at a Mosul base, killing two soldiers and wounding four.
November 12, 2004 - UH-60A Black Hawk from 1-106th Avn shot down northest of Baghdad, wounding three of the four crew members.
November 11, 2004 - AH-1W SuperCobra 161021 from HMLA-169 was shot down by RPG and small arms fire near Fallujah. It was destroyed by Iraqi rebel forces, crew recovered intact. A second SuperCobra was damaged, but was recovered by US forces.
October 16, 2004 - Two OH-58 Kiowas from 1-25th Avn collide nearBaghdad, killing two soldiers and wounding two others.
September 23, 2004 - AH-64D Apache 5292 (B Company/1-227th Avn) crashed near Tallil AB, Iraq when pilot lost control following tail rotor problem.
September 21, 2004 - UH-60 Black Hawk crashes near Nasiriyah, wounding three crew members.
September 8, 2004 - CH-46E Sea Knight 153372 crashes 20 miles south of Fallujah; all four crew members survive.
August 11, 2004 - CH-53E Super Stallion 164782 from HMM-166 (Reinforced) crashes in the Al-Anbar province, killing two Marines and wounding three others (cf. DoD News Release No. 782-04).
August 5, 2004 - UH-1N Huey 160439 from HMM-166 shot down near Najaf; crew wounded.
July 19, 2004 - near Basra, a British Aérospatiale Puma crashes, killing one crewman and injuring two others.
June 24, 2004 - AH-1W SuperCobra 163939 shot down in Fallujah; pilots safe.
June 13, 2004 - OH-58 Kiowa crashes north of Baghdad; both pilots safe.
April 13, 2004 - MH-53M Pave Low 5797 of 16th SOW/20th SOS crashes near Fallujah--three on board are wounded and a Marine is killed securing the crash site.
April 11, 2004 - Apache helicopter shot down near Baghdad, killing the two pilots.
April 7, 2004 - OH-58 Kiowa crashes near Baquba after being hit by ground fire; pilots rescued.
March 30, 2004 - Two AH-1W SuperCobras 163947 and 164595 of HMLA-775 collide near Al Taqaddum, Iraq; pilots rescued.
February 25, 2004 - OH-58D(R) Kiowa 97-0124 crashed in Iraq with 4-3rd ACR west of Baghdad, killing the two pliots.
January 25, 2004 - OH-58 Kiowa crashes near Mosul, both pilots killed (cf. DoD News Release no. 062-04).
January 23, 2004 - OH-58 Kiowa crashes near Mosul, both pilots killed (cf. DoD News Release no. 048-04).
January 13, 2004 - Apache from Fort Carson shot down near Habbaniyah; pilots rescued. [2]
January 8, 2004 - near Fallujah, UH-60 Black Hawk is shot down, killing 9 soldiers.
January 2, 2004 - near Fallujah, OH-58 Kiowa shot down, one soldier killed.
November 15, 2003 - Mosul, two UH-60 Black Hawks crash after coming under fire; 17 killed.
November 7, 2003 - near Tikrit, UH-60 Black Hawk shot down; six killed.
November 2, 2003 - near Fallujah, CH-47D Chinook 91-0230 of Detachment 1/F Company/106th Avn shot down; 16 soldiers killed.
October 30, 2003 - AH-64D Apache 86-9009 of 6-6th Cav crashed near Balad AAF, Iraq.
October 25, 2003 - near Tikrit, UH-60L Black Hawk crashes after reportedly being hit by ground fire, 5 soldiers injured.
October 23, 2003 - AH-64D Apache 86-8972 crashed in Iraq while approaching to land at Kirkuk. The APU clutch failed and started a fire. Aircraft landed safely but fuselage was almost completely burnt through.
September 2, 2003 - near Baghdad, one soldier killed as UH-60L Black Hawk rolls over.
August 28, 2003 - CH-47D Chinook 88-0098 from F Company/159th Avn written off in Iraq.
August 14, 2003 - AH-64A Apache of 1-14th Avn crashed in Iraq.
June 12, 2003 - near Baghdad, AH-64D Apache of 101st Avn helicopter shot down; pilots rescued.
May 19, 2003 - CH-46F Sea Knight 156424 of HMM-364 crashes, killing four Marines; another Marine drowns trying to rescue the crew.
May 9, 2003 - UH-60A Black Hawk 86-24507 of 571st Medical Company (AA) crashes into Tigris River, killing two pilots and crew chief.
April 30, 2003 - A Marine CH-53E Super Stallion 162486 of HMH-465 crashed near An Najaf. Crew escaped.
April 14, 2003 - A Marine AH-1W SuperCobra 163940 of MAG-39 crashes near Samarra, injuring both pilots.
April 8, 2003 - CH-46 Sea Knight crashes into the Mediterranean Sea while resupplying; all on board are rescued.
April 5, 2003 - AH-1T SeaCobra 161020 of HMLA-267 shot down; pilot dies.
April 2, 2003 - near Karbala, UH-60A Black Hawk of B Company/2-3rd Avn crashes, killing six soldiers.
March 31, 2003 - AH-64D Apache 84-24201 of C Company/1-3rd Avn crashes on landing in Iraq, injuring the two pilots.
March 30, 2003 - UH-1N Huey 160620 of HMLA-169 crashes; three die.
March 28, 2003 - Two AH-64D Apaches, 97-5032 (A Co) and 98-5068 (B Co) of 2-101st Avn crash in Iraq; one pilot injured.
March 27, 2003 - Apache helicopter shot down in southern Iraq.
March 27, 2003 - OH-58D Kiowa 95-0024 from C Troop/2-17th Cav crashes in Iraq.
March 24, 2003 - AH-64D Apache 85-25407 from C Company/1-227th Avn shot down; two pilots taken prisoner.
March 22, 2003 - Two Royal Navy ASaC.7 Sea Kings XV650 'CU-182' and XV704 'R-186' of 849 Squadron/A Flight collide, killing six British soldiers and one American.
March 20, 2003 - CH-46E Sea Knight 152579 of HMM-268 crashes, killing eight British soldiers and four Marines.
March 19, 2003 - MH-53M Pave Low 14993 of 20th SOS carrying special forces crashes in southern Iraq. No one is injured and it is later destroyed.

Nemam link za ovu listu pa sam postavio ovako.

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Napisano: 17 Apr 2012 20:07

Navy Eyes Apache Helo's Guns for Use at Sea
Citat:The Navy is looking at arming its patrol boats and helicopters with the same withering firepower carried aboard the Army’s AH-64 Apache gunship helicopters.

Arrow http://www.military.com/news/article/navy-eyes-apa.....570&rank=1

Dopuna: 30 Apr 2012 15:51

India, US to sign defence deals worth $8 billion
Citat:Powell did not specify which companies she was talking about or when the deals would be signed, but embassy officials said she was referring to negotiations that include about a dozen Apache helicopters along with engines for Indian jets.

Arrow http://profit.ndtv.com/News/Article/india-us-to-si.....ion-302983

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