Incident izmedju MQ-9 i Ruskog Su-27


Incident izmedju MQ-9 i Ruskog Su-27

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Amerikanci javljaju da je para Su-27 presrela MQ-9 Reaper i da je doslo do kontakta izmedju letelica zbog cega se MQ-9 srusio.

Dopuna: 14 Mar 2023 19:07

Citat:Two Russian Su-27 aircraft conducted an unsafe and unprofessional intercept with a U.S. Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance unmanned MQ-9 aircraft that was operating within international airspace over the Black Sea today.

At approximately 7:03 AM (CET), one of the Russian Su-27 aircraft struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters. Several times before the collision, the Su-27s dumped fuel on and flew in front of the MQ-9 in a reckless, environmentally unsound and unprofessional manner. This incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional.

“Our MQ-9 aircraft was conducting routine operations in international airspace when it was intercepted and hit by a Russian aircraft, resulting in a crash and complete loss of the MQ-9,” said U.S. Air Force Gen. James B. Hecker, commander, U.S. Air Forces Europe and Air Forces Africa. “In fact, this unsafe and unprofessional act by the Russians nearly caused both aircraft to crash.”

“U.S. and Allied aircraft will continue to operate in international airspace and we call on the Russians to conduct themselves professionally and safely,” Hecker added.

Dopuna: 14 Mar 2023 21:13


Ministry of Defense of Russia

On the morning of March 14 this year. over the waters of the Black Sea in the area of ​​the Crimean peninsula, the airspace control of the Russian Aerospace Forces recorded the flight of an American MQ-9 unmanned aerial vehicle in the direction of the state border of the Russian Federation.

The flight of the unmanned aerial vehicle was carried out with transponders turned off, violating the boundaries of the area of ​​the temporary regime for the use of airspace, established for the purpose of conducting a special military operation, communicated to all users of international airspace and published in accordance with international standards.

In order to identify the intruder, fighters from the air defense forces on duty were raised into the air. As a result of sharp maneuvering around 9.30 (Moscow time), the MQ-9 unmanned aerial vehicle went into uncontrolled flight with a loss of altitude and collided with the water surface.

The Russian fighters did not use airborne weapons, did not come into contact with the unmanned aerial vehicle and returned safely to their base airfield.

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Videcemo ako objave video

Citat:US military official who watched video of the drone incident tells me contact "was not a controlled tap." Russian pilot was “barreling toward the drone” “out of control,” "tried to pull away," hit propellor. “Not something you'd see a professional pilot do. It was amateur hour.”

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Pentagon Press Secretary Brigadier General Pat Ryder and PTDO DUSD(Policy) Dr. Mara Karlin Hold a Press Briefing

We'll start with Reuters, Phil?

Q: Is the secretary or anyone else in the U.S. military reached out to his Russian counterpart or anyone else's counterparts from Russia? And regarding the MQ-9, you know, what can you -- detail a little bit more what its mission was and where was it being piloted from?

GEN. RYDER: Yes, sure. So, in terms of Secretary Austin talking to his counterpart, not at this time, to my knowledge. DOD officials have not spoken specifically to Russian authorities on this particular incident. I do know that the State Department is raising our concerns about the incident directly with the Russian government. So, I'd refer you to them for details on that.

In terms of the -- the mission of the MQ-9, as I mentioned, it's an ISR platform. You know, these -- these aircraft have been flying over the Black Sea region for some time, to include before the current conflict started. It is an important and busy international waterway. And so, it is not an uncommon mission for us to be flying in international airspace.

Q: And so, what kind of precautions will you be taking going forward? And have an armed accompanying aircraft or -- and was this aircraft armed?

GEN. RYDER: So, I'm not going to get into the specific profile of this particular aircraft. As you know, the MQ-9 does have the ability to be armed. It was, again, conducting an ISR mission in international airspace, something that we've been doing for some time.

In terms of the types of tactic techniques and procedures that we take to protect our aircraft, I'm not going to get into the specifics. I think the key point here is that while intercepts in and of themselves are not that uncommon, the fact that this type of behavior from these Russian pilots, that is uncommon and unfortunate and unsafe. And so, again, would echo General Hecker's call on the Russians to continue to fly safely. Thank you.


Q: Thank you, Pat. Thanks. Was this collision itself an accident on Russia's behalf? And is the U.S. responding as such?

GEN. RYDER: So, you know, we are continuing to assess exactly what happened. But I think, based on the actions of the Russian pilots, it's clear that it was unsafe, unprofessional. And I think the actions speak for themselves. What we -- what we saw, again, were fighter aircraft dumping fuel in front of this UAV and then getting so close to the aircraft that it actually damaged the propeller on the MQ-9.

We assess that it likely caused some damage to the Russian aircraft as well, to our knowledge. What -- we know that the aircraft -- the Russian aircraft did land. I'm not going to go into where they landed. But again, it just demonstrative of a very unprofessional, unsafe airmanship on the part of these pilots.

Q: Thank you. One -- one more question, sorry. Will the U.S. try to recover this drone?

GEN. RYDER: So I'm not -- I don't have anything right now to provide in terms of recovery operations. If we have any updates to provide, then we'll be sure to do that. Thanks.


Q: Is there video of the incident? Are you going to release the video? Where in the Black Sea did it happen? How close to Russian airspace? And did you say that this particular Reaper was unarmed?

GEN. RYDER: Again, I didn't say whether it was or was not. I'm not going to get into the particular mission profile of this aircraft. It was conducting an -- an ISR mission.

In terms of the specifics, David, I'm not going to, at this point, be able to get more specific, other than the Black Sea region in international air -- airspace, well -- well clear of -- of any type of -- yeah, it was in international airspace.

And then I'm sorry, the other part of your question?

Q: The video.

GEN. RYDER: The video, yeah. So we are going through the -- the declassification process now and we'll keep you updated on that front, in terms of imagery associated with this incident.

Travis? I'm laser-focused on your question here.

Q: No, this is just a very quick one. You haven't said Reaper but he said Reaper. Is it accurate to say it's MQ-9 Reaper?

GEN. RYDER: I'm just going to stick with MQ-9. Yep, thanks.


Q: Hi. Thanks so much, Pat. The -- an MQ-9 potentially contains sensitive technology. Is the U.S. military undertaking any effort to recover the MQ-9? Is it in the -- is it in the waters of the Black Sea? Has Russia recovered it? Is there a U.S. naval asset in the -- in the region that could undertake that recovery? Thanks.

GEN. RYDER: Yeah, so I'm -- again, I'm not going to get into the specifics of what's on this particular aircraft, other than, again, it's an ISR platform. Because of the damage, we were in a position to have to essentially crash it into the Black Sea.

To my knowledge at this point in time, the Russians have not recovered that aircraft, but again, in terms of our recovery efforts, don't have any updates to provide right now. I'd refer you to NAVEUR, in terms of what assets they may have in that region. Thank you.

Q: Just a real quick clarification -- what did the fighter jet -- what did he -- he strike the -- the MQ-9 with? Was it the wing, was it the tail ...

GEN. RYDER: ... the -- I can't tell you specifically what portion of the aircraft but it -- the fact that it essentially ran into the MQ-9.

Q: OK, thank you.

et me go back over to this side of the room. Yes, sir?

Q: Thank you. Can you guide us through the time -- sorry, thank you -- can you guide us through the timeline of the MQ-9 intercept? We heard that the aircraft was struck at 7:03 Eastern Time but how long were the Sukhois with the aircraft beforehand? And were there any radio calls between -- radio communications, either from the Russians or from the United States?

GEN. RYDER: Yeah, so on the latter part of your question, no, none that I'm aware of.

And I would ask that you go back and confirm this with EUCOM, but -- but based on the information I have here, it seems like approximately 30 to 40 minutes they were flying in the vicinity of this MQ-9, and then at 7:03 is when the -- 7:03 am Central European Time is when they collided, causing it to crash, so.


Q: (The U.S. forces has -- had to bring down the -- the -- the aircraft. Does that mean that you -- United States piloted it to the crash site or ...


Q: ... was it struck by a missile or ...

GEN. RYDER: Yeah, we brought it down.

Q: OK.


Q: And -- and -- and then also, is there any U.S. naval assets currently in -- in Black Sea?

GEN. RYDER: Again, I'd -- I'd have to refer you to NAVEUR for any details on particular assets in the region. Thank you.


Q: Thank you. Thanks. Can you talk a little bit more about the damage to the MQ-9? I mean, was it unflyable and -- and that's why you had to bring it down?

And then can you say a little bit more about how often this kind of thing happens in -- over the Black Sea, that Russian aircraft harass U.S. drones and -- and other aircraft?

GEN. RYDER: Yeah, so I don't have any statistics in front of me, in terms of intercepts, but again, as I highlighted, the fact that intercepts of aircraft are not uncommon in and of themself -- so it's -- it's not obviously a daily occurrence -- the vast majority of those intercepts are what we would consider safe and professional. Just wanting to see what's there, right? You're flying alongside it to -- to be able to see what's there.

In this particular case, though, again, they collided with the aircraft, damaging the propeller and essentially putting it in a situation where it was unflyable, uncontrollable, so we brought it down. Thank you.

Time for a few more. We'll go here and then to Fadi.

Q: Hi, sir, thanks. Just wanted to check to confirm -- any communication with allies, such as Turkey, about potential recovery of the drone? And is there any concern that Russia could provide the drone to Iran if it recovers it?

GEN. RYDER: So that -- that would be a hypothetical. Again, Russia does not have the drone, so that would be a hypothetical question.

In terms of working with allies and partners, I don't have anything to announce here but if and when we do, we'll be sure to let you know. Thank you.

Go to Fadi and then we'll come back over here to the last two. Yep?

Q: Thank you, General. So on -- I know you don't want to share lots of information, especially intelligence information, but are you able to say whether the MQ-9 was flying near Ukraine or near the Crimea Peninsula?

And then I -- I believe you said, if I heard right, that the Russians did not recover the -- the drone. However, have you seen any effort by the Russian Navy to try to recover the drone? Thank you.

GEN. RYDER: Yeah -- yeah, so on -- on your latter question there, Fadi, I'm not going to get into that.

In terms of where it was flying, it was well clear of any territory in Ukraine. It was over international -- in international airspace, over international water, so. Thank you.


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Таран је тактика којом се ударом оштећује противничка летилица (али и своја).
У овом случају, да би се прецизно ударила противничка летелица, без већих последица по своју (и пилоте) би била потребна већа прецизност, уз већи ризик.

Британци су против Фау-1 примењивали мало напреднију тактику.
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Тако да остаје највероватније да су маневрисали у близини дрона, под пуним форсажом, усмеривањем издува на дрон. Тако су могли да оштете велику и лако конструисану летелицу, без контакта и већег ризика.

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