Juzno korejski tender za nabavku novih aviona

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Učešće na tom tenderu bi svima sem Amerikancima bilo gubljenje vremena, para i uopšte blamaža. Zvali su, naravno Ruse ne bi li se slučajno para gladni Rusi primili da dođu pa da Koreanci i Ameri bace bliži pogled na T-50 i onda ga izblamiraju obaranjem na tenderu. Ovako će da trube da Rusi nisu smeli da izađu na crtu. Ja mislim da će Koreja američku zaštitu platiti u vidu nabavke F-35 u svetlu prototipova J-20 i T-50 iz zemalja iz bliskog okruženja i potencijalnih rivala. Možda bi 35ice zbog VTOL karakteristika mogle koristiti i sa Korejskih nosača za helikoptere koji se uvode u upotrebu:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dokdo_class_landing_platform_experimental

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Korea likely to suffer budget shortfall for fighter project

Citat:A classified National Assembly review for 2012 defense spending found that South Korea did not budget enough money for its FX-III fighter program.

The government may have to come up with an additional $1.6 billion in order to buy 60 aircraft.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/02/116_103975.html

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Citat:According to Seoul's Yonhap news agency, the aircraft will be judged by four primary criteria and 150 secondary criteria. The four main criteria are cost, capability, interoperability with South Korean forces and industrial benefits. Seoul is likely to require the F-X III winner to provide significant help with its indigenous KFX fighter programme.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/seoul-ki.....on-367569/

Ne znam da li je tacno da stelt i unutrasnje naoruznje vise nije stavka(da jeste ne bi valjda ni bilo EF-a i moguceg NG).

Treba im avion i TOT. Uz EF ide avion i EJ-2000 za KFX + sta treba. Uz F-15 E ide avion ali nema motora za KFX, jedino ako ubace F-414 kojeg imaju na SH. F-35 isto. Mada Ameri uopste ne zele da se napravi KFX. Oni bi najradije da se obustavi. Neko misljenje je da se ipak ocekuje isto kao u Japanu. F-35.

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Napisano: 07 Feb 2012 17:08

Izgledami da ce F-35 ispasti iz igre

F-35 Likely To Fail Korean Air Force Requirements, Advantage Eurofighter

Citat: Lockheed Martin’s F-35 will likely fail to meet two of the Korean Air Force’s key requirements — the ability to carry weapons externally and fly at Mach 1.6 (1,930 kilometers per hour) or faster, according to the Korean Times.

http://www.defenseworld.net/go/defensenews.jsp?id=.....urofighter

Dopuna: 06 Mar 2012 18:42

Seoul fears delivery delays of F-35 jets

Citat:Seoul is expected to announce the winner of the bidding for its next-generation fighter acquisition project in October this year in line with its plan to introduce 10 advanced jets in 2016 and 2017, respectively, and the remaining 40 by 2020.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/03/205_106346.html

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Nemaju se što da se sekiraju, mogu u međuvremenu da popune odpisane F-5 sa TA/FA-50. Pa onda na temelju informacija vazduhoplovstava korisnika F-35 odluće jeli to avion za njih ili nije. Ne vidim nekog velikog smisla zamenjivati F-4 sa EF2000 koji se i nije pokazao u funkciji dobrog bombardera. Osim toga F-35 može biti i zamena za F-16 kada im isteku resursi. Nema smisla da imaju toliko vrsta razlićitih aviona uz F-15K.

Ako budu uzeli EF2000 to je siguran znak da žele da se osamostale od zavisnosti od Amerikanaca. Onda će uz avione verovatno da preuzmu i licenciju odnosno tehnologiju za proizvodnju motora EJ200, koji mogu u frci da stave i u TA/FA-50 te u njihov buduči projekt dvomotornog multirola 5 generacije (KF-X).

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Izgledami da ce F-35 ispasti iz igre

F-35 Likely To Fail Korean Air Force Requirements, Advantage Eurofighter

Citat: Lockheed Martin’s F-35 will likely fail to meet two of the Korean Air Force’s key requirements — the ability to carry weapons externally and fly at Mach 1.6 (1,930 kilometers per hour) or faster, according to the Korean Times.


Ta testiranja ce kao sto smo rekli biti od juna do oktobra

Dalje, 4 kriterijuma ocenjivanja

Citat:Four Major Criteria
Life-Cycle Cost : How much it cost to buy and operate over 30 years.
Suitability for the Role : How well the jet carries out its intended missions. 50% A2G(SEAD), 50% A2A
Operational Compatibility : Datalink compatibility, depot compatibility, the use of existing weapons.
Offset : Tech-Transfer, sub-contract work.


Citat:FX III Contest(2012)
Life-Cycle Cost : 30%
Suitability for the Role : 33.61%
Operational Compatibility : 17.98%
Offset : 18.41%

Zahvaljujemo InterenationalPirate sa starstreak.

Ako je verovati Korejcima F-35 puca po savovima, nece se gledati stelt. Ostaju F-15 SE i Tajfun. Navodno je bitan i SEAD za novi multirol u slucaju napada na sever kako bi bila neutralisana njihova PVO.

F-15 SE odnosi prednost po broju tacaka za razno naoruzanje i maksimalne kolicine. U SEAD ulozi bi nosio 4 HARM-a a Tajfun 2 i 2 vodjene bombe. F-15 SE ima operativan AESA. Pitanje je frontalnog RCS. Koreja vec ima F-15 K i liniju za sklapanje ali traze servisni centar jer kazu da mora mnogo da se ceka na delove iz Amerike i da ih zeza odrzavanje. EADS je vec dao servisni centar Arabiji tako da nije problem da i Koreja dobije sopstveni. Kazu da Boing zeli dosta da da i sto se tice tehnologije i offseta ali da je problem kongres. F-15 SE je prototip ali to sve vecinom vec leti na F-15 E.

Tajfun T-3 sa svojim AESA i meteorom ce biti bolji lovac i nece puno zaostajati kao bombarder. DASS je ispred MIWS, Pirate, uopste fuzija senzora bi trebala biti ispred. Mogucnost supersktarenja. EADS je u boljem polozaju oko saradnje i TOT-a za KFX i offseta. EJ-200 moze biti novi motor za KFX.

Uglavnom izgleda da ce biti F-15 SE i Tajfun.

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Navodno odluka pada u oktobru..
Citat:South Korea will select suppliers of military aircraft worth billions of dollars in October, a spokesman said May 25, despite calls from the main opposition party for further studies to be carried out.
Citat:The contract for the stealth fighters is worth 8 trillon won ($6.7 billion), he said. Lockheed Martin’s F-35, Boeing’s F-15E, the Eurofighter Typhoon and Russia’s Sukhoi PAK-FA are reportedly competing for the deal.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120525/DEFREG.....dyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

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Napisano: 01 Jun 2012 17:13

Od istog izvora kao i prethodne informacije

Citat:Some more update.

Regarding the Suitability for the Role, it has been disclosed to local press that it will be pass/fail scoring instead of an absolute scoring, so the performance will not be a deciding factor as long as the minimum requirement is met and everyone who meets the minimum standard is on equal footing.

Other stuff will be based on absolute scoring, so the life-cycle cost(purchase/maintenance) and tech transfer will be the deciding factor.

Dopuna: 08 Jun 2012 9:37

Korejci ce u julu i avgustu leteti na simulatorima za F-35( nisu im dali da lete na prototipovima) i F-15 SE. Jedino ce na Tajfunu stvarno leteti i to u septembru, izgleda u Spaniji, posto oni formalno vode posao ispred EADS.

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=050000&biid=2012060819728

Dopuna: 18 Jun 2012 12:33

Boeing, Lockheed, Eurofighter Bid for South Korean Fighter Deal

Citat:Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT), Boeing Co. (BA) and Eurofighter submitted bids in a $7 billion South Korean fighter contest as U.S. and European defense contractors look to Asian markets to counter slower spending at home.

Boeing’s F-15 Silent Eagle, Lockheed’s F-35 Lightning II and the Eurofighter Typhoon will compete for the tender, South Korea’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration said in an e- mailed statement on its website. Today was the deadline for submitting bids.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-18/boeing-lo.....-deal.html

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EADS nudi zajednicku proizvodnju Eurofighter Tajfuna Juznoj Koreji
Citat: European aerospace and defense group EADS is set this week to propose joint production of its Eurofighter Typhoon with South Korea, a proposal that would sweeten its bid to win Seoul's multi-billion dollar tender offer for combat fighter purchases, a company official said Sunday.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2012/06/1.....0315F.HTML

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Lokid i EADS ce poslati ponovo ponudu i imaju rok do 5. jula. Treba sve da bude na korejskom.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed.....st-373232/