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Russian air force to buy 30 Ka-226 helicopters by 2020

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U poseti AB Voronjez

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Rusija ce do 2020. nabaviti 10 An-124 i "desetine" Il-476. Postojeci An-124 ce biti modernizovani u istom roku.

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VVS na teritoriji ex- DDR

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Dopuna: 24 Jan 2012 23:23

Upotreba i borbena iskustva helikoptera VVS u Ceceniji - britanska studija

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O nacinu upotrebe Mi-8/24
Citat:As a rule helicopters operated as part of a tactical grouping composed of two to four Mi-24s and one to two Mi-8s carrying spetsnaz troops. Having landed the troops, fire support from Mi-24s would then be under the control of a forward air controller. Pairs of Mi-24s would carry out roving missions looking for opportunity targets which accounted for a third of combat helicopter missions: targets included vehicle convoys, single vehicles, fuel and ammunition dumps, underground fuel refineries and collections of people. Attack helicopters covered desants by ‘Vosmerki’ transport helicopters including the transportation and landing of spetsnaz troops in the mountains.

O nacinu upotrebe Ka-50
Citat:A helicopter needs to fly at extremely low altitudes (5 - 50 m) to approach the target area with the minimum risk of being hit by the enemy air defence capabilities. The Mi-24 experience proves that at the most critical stage of the flight the pilot is steering the helicopter all alone because the operator-navigator is unable to perform his duties at low altitudes. Upon his approach to the target area, the pilot has to climb from 35 m to 70 m to engage targets along a 4-kilometre line of attack over plain terrain and from 100 m to 245 m under mountainous conditions. At such altitudes the pilot is unable to assist the operator-navigator in target identification unless he is equipped with an independent sighting and surveillance system.

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Tekst je odličan, i iz njega se može doći do nekog realnog stanja u helikopterskoj avijaciji rusije, a suštinski je napisano ono što manje više znamo, a to je da još uvek u ruskom MoD-u jako puno toga škripi kada su u pitanju detaljne analize "kakav nam helikopter treba"(kao i u svemu drugom) pa se puno vremena lutalo malo Mi28, Malo Ka52, za oba englez kaže da su isuviše "namenski" tj. da su uskog spektra delovanja, svaki za sebe, ali da svakako Ka52 u dobroj meri nadmašuje Mi28 i iz toga je potpuno nejasno zašto je značajno inferiorniji(po njegovim rečima) Mi28 praktično postao prioritet u brojčanom smislu.

It had been proposed that the two Kamov helicopters would partially replace the well-tested Mi-24. However, a year ago production started on the Mi-28N in which the Defence Ministry had a stake following the intervention of General Baluyevskiy despite critical remarks from military fliers.80 Amongst the criticisms was the fact that the rear propeller (rotor) does not have any protection and has low ground clearance. In field conditions, especially in mountainous terrain, it could sustain damage in landing. Secondly, the cannon is situated under the nose where body vibration is at its highest. In firing the Mi-28N is not as accurate as the Ka-50 and Ka-52. In practice it was not possible to stabilise the barrel during firing. Thirdly, the machine has poor stability in a side wind. These problems will complicate the use of the helicopter in mountains.
According to Plugatarev, the Defence Ministry believes two regiments will be armed with Mi-28N before 2010 and by 2015 there will be 300 Mi-28Ns. BBC Monitoring also carried a report from Moscow’s “Channel One Worldwide (for Europe)” on 8 July 2007 that there would be 300 Mi-28s by 2015. The report also quoted a Mil’ worker likening the Mil-28 to “a large computer, with its own intellect”.81 The Deputy General Director of Mil’, Mikhail Korotkevich, did not confirm these extremely optimistic estimates. Korotkevich stated that the MOD RF did not intend to buy more than 10 x Mi-28N annually between 2007 and 2015, ie no more than 100 helicopters in nine years; and another source within the air force mentioned an even lower figure of only 50.82 Kamov at the same time did not fare well either, with only five Ka-50 and five Ka-52 planned to be bought by the MOD annually.

Possibly the crux of the matter was highlighted by Yevgenyy Matveyev;
“All the helicopters – both the Mil’ ‘hunter’ and the Kamov ‘predators’ are not sufficiently adaptable to modern conditions. Helicopters are heavy and weigh over 10 tonnes, they were created for conditions on the front line and not for those wars which are happening in Chechnya and Iraq. Therefore all three machines today can only have a very narrow sector of combat usage and it follows that they cannot cover the range of problems needed for defence capability.” 83
Whilst in Matveyev’s view the defence ministry and the manufacturers had solved the problem of spending the money allocated for equipping the army with new combat helicopters it had avoided the matter of rationalisation and effective use of new helicopters.84 Furthermore, in his opinion defence procurement since 2004 had concentrated under its aegis a pile of Mil’ and Kamov money, but it failed to raise the strategic question: developing the main principles of a helicopter strategy which with time could radically change the design and production of modern military, and specialised civilian helicopters for MChS (Ministry for Emergency Situations) and the Interior Ministry.

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zar nije prioritet ka-52 od skoro\?

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Pisao englez Bebee Dol majko moja,seru ko grlice o drzavi koja moze celu planetu da pretvori u kabum ako zatreba GUZ - Glavom U Zid I jos je njima problem da nastancuju ako im zatreba bilo sta od naoruzanja,jeste kada bi se zezali Laughing
ps.zamalo da onaj sizofrenicar gruzijski visi naopacke okacen za onu stvar posle nekoliko dana,da smo imali i mi po neku igracku kao gruzini bilo bi jos crnih tkanina sapleteno za ovu nato bagru Ziveli
pss. ribolovca ne cini oprema Smile

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Napisano: 25 Jan 2012 20:44

^Za mornaricu(Mistrale) je valjda Ka-52, sa onim AESA radarom koji razvijaju. A za VVS mislim da je Mi-28(N).

Dopuna: 25 Jan 2012 20:55

Tacnije i mene tu nesto zanima... Mi-28N je onaj sa radarom iznad rotora, jel tako? A ja takav jos nisam video u aktivnoj sluzbi, bar ne u nekom znacajnijem broju. Sve slike novih, cak i onih sa onom sivom semom su bez tog radara.
Zakljucujem da rusi kupuju ovu verziju:
Citat:Mi-28D – simplified daylight operation version. Similar to Mi-28N, but without top-mounted radar and TV-channel in sight.
Sta ih sprecava da uvode N? Problemi sa samim radarom? Cena?

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lacko ::Pisao englez Bebee Dol majko moja,seru ko grlice o drzavi koja moze celu planetu da pretvori u kabum ako zatreba GUZ - Glavom U Zid I jos je njima problem da nastancuju ako im zatreba bilo sta od naoruzanja,jeste kada bi se zezali Laughing
ps.zamalo da onaj sizofrenicar gruzijski visi naopacke okacen za onu stvar posle nekoliko dana,da smo imali i mi po neku igracku kao gruzini bilo bi jos crnih tkanina sapleteno za ovu nato bagru Ziveli
pss. ribolovca ne cini oprema Smile

Ne razumem zašto seru, kada je sve do poslednjeg tačno, ako te ne mrzi prelistaj topice na forumu, za Mi28 i Ka50/52 od prvih do ovih poslednjih, pa ćeš videti da se uglavnom poklapaju nedoumice, Dobrih 5/6 godina su oni stalno menjali odluke u vezi glavnog Attack helikoptera, da li su adekvatni, šta su im mane šta vrline, uglavnom se sve poklapa sa tekstom ovog engleza koji je uzgred rečeno ne neko novinarsko piskaralo, već Vojni (baš vojni)analitičar engleske amije.A to da mogu da ih naštancuju je upitno, ali i rusi su se opredelili barem javno za kvalitet a ne kvantitet sa jedne strane.. a neki moj zaključak iz ovog teksta je da su se oni već donekle zakasnili i sa 28-com i sa 52-kom jer naprosto sami nisu napravili referntnu strategiju upotrebe svojih budućih Helikopterskih snaga, samim tim su propustili šansu da naprave helikopter koji će svojim karakteristikama maximalno ispuniti zadate ciljeve,A to je opet posledica praćenje trendova u tom segmentu roto avijacije. kažu da je veoma sličan slučaj sa Mistralom(da su ga naručili po sistemu treba nam , neznamo tačno za šta, ali nam treba) ali da ne idem u OT

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