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Del70 ::@Babaroga
Da li je sve na onom snimku postaradalih Jermena na putu pravi redosled? 2K11 na uzvišenju desno (i pitanje koliko kasnije je snimljeno) deluje netaknuto. Levo od puta je provalija. I dalje mi nije jasna sudbina te kolone.
Nisam se udubljivao, ali meni snimak izgleda legit.
Krug na brdu je lazni cilj, za koji su izgleda svi znali da je lazni pa ga niko nije ni dirao.
Kolona je pobijena ili BPL ili artiljerijom, na osnovu polozaja tijela, da je bilo borbi nema sanse da svi budu na gomili u jarku. Dalje, na onim fotografijama vozila objavljenim ranije na temi, jasno se vidi da su izbuseni srapnelom, i to dobro. Srapnel je sitan, po rupama na vozilima nije definitivno srapnel jacih art kalibara stajaznam 120mm i na gore. Meni lici na bespilotne.
Ovdje mislim na zrtve na onom dijelu gdje su UAZi i gdje imaju stijene pored puta (put je u zasjeku).
Kad se izadje na vrh uspona, na raskrsnici, tu ima tragova borbe, to moze da bude pjesadijska borba, ali ovo u klancu sigurno nije.
Opet da ponovim, cini mi se da je onaj duzi video ANNA news snimljen bas tu vjerovatno malo prije nego sto je pozicija gadjana. Na ANNA news snimku vidi se sanitetska stanica Jermena koja prima ranjenike sa prve linije, i vidi se gomila ljudi koja se tu mota. Neki su posade onih ambulantnih kombija, neki su sanitetlije, a dosta njih dolazi i sa ranjenima sa linije.
Obrati paznju na srapnel. NIje puscana minicija
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Registruj se da bi učestvovao u diskusiji. Registrovanim korisnicima se NE prikazuju reklame unutar poruka.
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Poslao: 14 Nov 2020 19:31
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"Do the strange words of Lavrov mean Russia's intention to tear away Karabakh from Azerbaijan, covering up this operation with "peacekeeping"? Is this why Moscow opposes the presence of the Turkish military in Karabakh? Turan addressed these questions orally and in writing to the press service of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan, and no response was received over the past day.
We asked the deputy of the Milli Mejlis, political scientist Rasim Musabekov to explain what was happening.
He believes that the there is no other expectations regarding the behavior of Russians in Karabakh because of the entire experience of Russian peacekeeping in Georgia and Moldova. Naive politicians might think that Russian peacekeeping would be problem-free. The decision was based on the objective situation. Any decision contains opportunities, results, and risks. It was very important for us that the Armenian Armed Forces were withdrawn from Azerbaijan. This could have been done through heavy losses of Azerbaijani servicemen and an image blow to our country, since Armenia and its foreign patrons would have exposed us as the culprits of ethnic cleansing.
We needed a compromise for the withdrawal of 20,000 armed Armenians from Karabakh (N. Pashinyan's figures). There they still had heavy military equipment, which also had to be withdrawn somehow. The Turkish monitoring center is needed in order to control Russia's execution of the withdrawal of Armenian manpower and equipment, so that the Armenians do not hide tanks, mortars and other means of war in secret shelters, the deputy continued.
“We have won; the people unambiguously accepted what happened, which we saw from the mass celebrations in the Azerbaijani streets. The population of Russia does not believe. The fact that we will have to closely monitor and limit Russian actions is beyond doubt. Our partnership with Turkey on this issue, monitoring and peacekeeping of this country will balance and limit the unilateral interpretation of all events, which is usual for Russia, in its own interests.
Lavrov, in his role, creates problems that will then imitate their solutions with the skill of a magician. Russia has signed an agreement on Karabakh behind the back of the OSCE Minsk Group. Further, realizing that one would not be able to act further, she invited the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs to Moscow to exert pressure on Azerbaijan in order to resolve the issue of the status of Karabakh. For this, the Minsk Group was created."
https://www.turan.az/ext/news/2020/11/free/politics%20news/en/129885.htm
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Poslao: 14 Nov 2020 19:41
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Kolona je pobijena ili BPL ili artiljerijom, na osnovu polozaja tijela, da je bilo borbi nema sanse da svi budu na gomili u jarku. Dalje, na onim fotografijama vozila objavljenim ranije na temi, jasno se vidi da su izbuseni srapnelom, i to dobro. Srapnel je sitan, po rupama na vozilima nije definitivno srapnel jacih art kalibara stajaznam 120mm i na gore. Meni lici na bespilotne.
Ovdje mislim na zrtve na onom dijelu gdje su UAZi i gdje imaju stijene pored puta (put je u zasjeku).
Kad se izadje na vrh uspona, na raskrsnici, tu ima tragova borbe, to moze da bude pjesadijska borba, ali ovo u klancu sigurno nije.
To je verovatno ovaj deo puta ispod Susija.
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Poslao: 14 Nov 2020 19:45
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Del70 ::"Do the strange words of Lavrov mean Russia's intention to tear away Karabakh from Azerbaijan, covering up this operation with "peacekeeping"? Is this why Moscow opposes the presence of the Turkish military in Karabakh? Turan addressed these questions orally and in writing to the press service of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan, and no response was received over the past day.
We asked the deputy of the Milli Mejlis, political scientist Rasim Musabekov to explain what was happening.
He believes that the there is no other expectations regarding the behavior of Russians in Karabakh because of the entire experience of Russian peacekeeping in Georgia and Moldova. Naive politicians might think that Russian peacekeeping would be problem-free. The decision was based on the objective situation. Any decision contains opportunities, results, and risks. It was very important for us that the Armenian Armed Forces were withdrawn from Azerbaijan. This could have been done through heavy losses of Azerbaijani servicemen and an image blow to our country, since Armenia and its foreign patrons would have exposed us as the culprits of ethnic cleansing.
We needed a compromise for the withdrawal of 20,000 armed Armenians from Karabakh (N. Pashinyan's figures). There they still had heavy military equipment, which also had to be withdrawn somehow. The Turkish monitoring center is needed in order to control Russia's execution of the withdrawal of Armenian manpower and equipment, so that the Armenians do not hide tanks, mortars and other means of war in secret shelters, the deputy continued.
“We have won; the people unambiguously accepted what happened, which we saw from the mass celebrations in the Azerbaijani streets. The population of Russia does not believe. The fact that we will have to closely monitor and limit Russian actions is beyond doubt. Our partnership with Turkey on this issue, monitoring and peacekeeping of this country will balance and limit the unilateral interpretation of all events, which is usual for Russia, in its own interests.
Lavrov, in his role, creates problems that will then imitate their solutions with the skill of a magician. Russia has signed an agreement on Karabakh behind the back of the OSCE Minsk Group. Further, realizing that one would not be able to act further, she invited the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs to Moscow to exert pressure on Azerbaijan in order to resolve the issue of the status of Karabakh. For this, the Minsk Group was created."
https://www.turan.az/ext/news/2020/11/free/politics%20news/en/129885.htm
To je interesantno.Predsjednik Jermenije traži da se pregovori vrate pod okrilje Minske grupe.Ali nema šanse da Rusi puste Turke da se tu petljaju, na teritoriju NK ih neće pustiti 100%, a po Azerbejdžanu i onako ih već ima.
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Poslao: 14 Nov 2020 19:53
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Turci nemaju nikakve veze sa Minsk grupom, i to je glavni problem i Azera i Turaka.
Mada, ne vjerujem da ce Rusi sad da svaku svoju odluku nose Minskoj grupi na odobrenjje. Karte su podijeljene ponovo u ovom ratu, i Minska grupa nije ucestvovala u ovom dijeljenju.
Sto ne znaci da ih Rusi nece ukljuciti kasnije, za ratifikaciju necega sto dogovore, al meni se cini da ce Rusi da pregovaraju sa Jermenima i Azerbejdzanom sami.
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