Suhoj Su-35 "poslednji Flanker"

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Suhoj Su-35 "poslednji Flanker"

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Evo jedne vrlo zanimljive pričice o F-22 vs SU-35-1 tj BM vs F-35 JSF


"Imagine an apocryphal story of three fighter pilots meeting in the bar at an air combat conference in Stockholm, in the year 2015. Chuck is a NATO F-22A Raptor pilot based in Germany, Boris an Su-35-1 Flanker E Plus pilot flying from one of the bases protecting Moscow, and Johan, a F-35A Lightning II pilot from the Netherlands. All are masters of their craft and after drinks, “merely to lubricate the vocal chords”, they do what fighter pilots all over the world do – swap stories and make claims about their beloved aircraft.

Chuck starts. “I’m king of the skies,” he claims. “I supercruise at 52,000 feet and Mach 1.7. Boris, I can see you from ~100 nm, and my AIM-120D launch range at this Mach is 70 nm. You are one dead Flanker.” Boris acknowledges the performance of the APG-77 and the Raptor, but replies, “Your missiles are easy to avoid. When you fire, my OLS-35 will see the flare, and I will turn away to out-run the missile. You need to fire closer than 50 nm – even then at 50,000 feet and Mach 1.2, my Flanker can out-turn your missile. If you are side or rear on I can get a lock-on at ~40 nm and I have a choice of seeker heads, so you might wear an R-77M in the backside.” “No way Boris,” Chuck replies, “I know that game. I’m head on and you can’t see me until about ~15 nm. If I have not killed you at 50 nautical, I’m outa there at the speed of heat.” Boris and Chuck concede that there might be a nil-all draw, with Chuck being untouchable because of the Raptor’s stealth, altitude and speed and the well defended Su-35-1 defeating the Raptor’s missiles [1].

Now Boris makes his point. “Comrade Johan, I have something special for you. My IRBIS-E will see you head-on at ~25nm, but I fly my boys very wide and share the paints on our digital network. At side and rear looks, I see you at ~45 nm and my ramjet RVV-AE-PDs can get you at that range.” “No way”, Johan responds, “my APG-81 radar will see you at ~75 nm and I can launch at 50 nm. If you fire, my DAS will see the missile at launch, so I’ll turn away to break lock”. “And my wingman will see you in the turn, computer network will still know where you are, and we will skewer you in the cross-fire” is Boris’s riposte, “and you will run out of missiles before I do, If I duck your AIM-120D shots, I will win easily”. They bicker about the strengths of their own aircraft and weaknesses of the other’s and Johan grudgingly agrees the Flanker might be the winner.

Chuck and Johan stay in the bar after Boris is unexpectedly ‘called away’ by men in dark coats, and agree that work needs to be done on improving the AIM-120D’s terminal lethality.

Essentially, this is a deadly play between stealth, agility, sensors and missiles. From the front quarter the Raptor’s 0.0001 square meter Radar Cross Section (RCS) and the Lightning II’s 0.001 square metres make them difficult targets. The Flanker-E Plus, while having a reduced radar signature, still has a residual RCS of about 2 square metres, such that the F-22A and the F-35 will see the Su-35-1 way beyond their missile launch range. The Su-35-1 struggles to see the F-22A on radar, but can find the F-35’s 0.01 square metre lower side and rear RCS. The AIM-120D is a fine missile, but the Su-35-1 has finer defences, so the missile kill probabilities are likely to be low. When out of missiles, the F-22 Raptor can escape. The F-35 Lightning II cannot."

.... ima i dalje PAK-FA ulazi u priču Smile

Izvor: ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-300309-1.html

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Citat:F-22A Front Aspect = 0.0001 m2, Side and Rear Aspect = 0.01 – 0.001 m2 (0.005 used in this analysis);
F-35A Front Aspect = 0.001 m2, Side and Rear Aspect = 0.01 m2;
PAK-FA All Aspect = 0.01 m2;

Sto bi znacilo da F-15 Silen Eagle ima vidljivost spreda izmedju 0.01 i 0.001 m2. Koja je na nivou F-35. Sumnjam da F-15 i F-35, a i F-22 imaju navedenu vidljivost. Doduse zavisi i od radara i frekvencije. Ali po nekim podacima pre da se radi o 0.1 m2, a ne necemu manjem.



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Цена авиона Су-35 за руске ВВС требало би да износи преко 40 милиона долара.

http://www.vedomosti.ru/newspaper/article.shtml?2009/08/13/209561

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leonard ::Citat:F-22A Front Aspect = 0.0001 m2, Side and Rear Aspect = 0.01 – 0.001 m2 (0.005 used in this analysis);
F-35A Front Aspect = 0.001 m2, Side and Rear Aspect = 0.01 m2;
PAK-FA All Aspect = 0.01 m2;

Sto bi znacilo da F-15 Silen Eagle ima vidljivost spreda izmedju 0.01 i 0.001 m2. Koja je na nivou F-35. Sumnjam da F-15 i F-35, a i F-22 imaju navedenu vidljivost. Doduse zavisi i od radara i frekvencije. Ali po nekim podacima pre da se radi o 0.1 m2, a ne necemu manjem.


Ko ce ga znati. Meni podaci o 0.001 i 0.0001 ne idu u glavu jednostavno ne mogu da verujem u tako nesto. Pa to je velicine nekog veceg tvrdokrilca.

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Izuzetan video. Zanimljiva animacije izbegavanja rakete. Dobro bi bilo da neko ko se vise razume u letenje prokomentarise taj manevar.

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osim toga na video klipu su 35 izgleda mocno Mr. Green

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Citat:Zanimljiva animacije izbegavanja rakete. Dobro bi bilo da neko ko se vise razume u letenje prokomentarise taj manevar.
Prvu izbegava oštrim forsiranim zaokretom, drugu Kobrom Pugačova ali me čudi da nije odradio blizinski upaljač, treću zbunjuje mamcima.

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...ko bi smeo uživo da ostane na pisti kada avion leti onako kao na 3:07 minuti snimka... Cool Ziveli

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