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Poslao: 03 Apr 2013 02:08
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Bizon je kriv za stvaranje mita o bombardeskoj jazu, kada su Ameri mislili da zaostaju za Sovjetima (slicna prica ko sa raketnim jazom samo jos gora).
B-47 je bio vrlo problematican a procenjeno je da Bizon ima znatno veci dolet (od stvarnog) i da Sovjeti imaju vec dosta Bizona u naoruzanju. Zato je napravljeno mnogo vise bombardera nego sto je Amerima stvarno trebalo, preko 2000 B-47 i preko 700 B-52.
Razlozi za takvu procenu su bila dva zanimljiva dogadjaja.
Prvi se desio 1955. Prelet iste formacije Bizona osam puta za dana avijacije je kod zapadnih posmatraca stvorio utisak da ih je nadletelo daleko vise bombardera od jedne formacije (mislim deset bombardera).
Drugi dogadjaj se desio 1956. Dvadest Bizona u avio bazi Engles je slikao U-2 a obavestajci su zakljucili da Sovjeti imaju slican broj i u drugim avio bazama i da ce tim tempom do 1960 imati oko 800 Bizona. Tih dvadest Bizona je bila celokupna flota, a od procenjenih 800 bombardera Sovjeti su napravili manje od 100
Mora se priznati za vreme Hruščeva Sovjeti su igrali najbolji poker
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Poslao: 03 Apr 2013 07:04
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Реј
Могао би ипак да раздвојиш теме.
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Poslao: 03 Apr 2013 15:19
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Naravno da mi je to bilo `na umu` ali opet nesto sam razmisljao kao avioni su vizuelno jako slicni jedan drugom ( izuzev sto je jedan dvomotorac a drugi 4-motorac) .Drugo `postoji rizik` da 2 teme ostanu na svega nekoliko stranica mozda zbog nezainteresovanosti pa je mozda i bolje da ih imamo ovako skupa .
Nadam se da modusi nemaju nista protiv .Kolega mean_machine je odmah postavio jako zanimljivu pricu o samim pocecima pa je za ocekivati takav nastavak .
Postavicu jedan pregled tj.sastav opreme ugradjene u ove bombardere ( shodno varijantama ) sa jednog sajta o ruskoj avionici.
Azaliya
Citat:SPS-61, SPS-62, SPS-63 Azaliya were fitted to one variant of Tu-16E alongside SPS-6 Los
SPS-64, SPS-65, SPS-66 Azaliya were fitted to another variant of Tu-16E alongside SPS-5 Fasol
Buket
Citat:SPS-22N / SPS-33N / SPS-44N / SPS-55N Buket specifically modified for fitting to the Tu-16PP (Aircraft "N")
Fasol
Citat:SPS-5
SPS-5M
SPS-5-2X
Airborne search radar noise jammer carried by the Tu22P
Modulyatsiya SPS-4
Citat:Modulyatsiya was fitted to the Tu-16 Yolka.
Ritsa
Ritsa antenna array on a Tu-16 nose
Citat:Passive radar target finding system fitted to Tu-16K-11, used with KSR-11 ARM.
Rubin (PN) NATO "Short Horn", "Down Beat"
OKB: Leninets
Citat:Rubin-1 radar system was developed in 1962 for the Tu-16K-11-16. Pulse design.
Rubin-1K was fitted to the Tu-16KSR-2. It allowed frequencies to be tuned by 3% to prevent interference during group operations. Range was about 200-240km.
Rubin-1KV was fitted to the Tu-16K-26
Rubin-1M was retrofitted in a large belly radome, replacing the nose-mounted Rubin-1K, on the Tu-16KSR-2-5 and Tu-16KSR-2-11, giving greater detection range to allow full use of the KSR-5/11 (AS-6 Kingfish) missile's range. Maximum range could be as great as 450km.
SRS-1BV / SRS-1D
Citat:ELINT system used with the SPS-1/2 jammers on Tu-16SPS
YeN NATO "Puff Ball"
Citat:Radar of the Tu-16K-10. A massive set, frequency spacing allowed simultaneous launch of 18 missiles by a single group. It also could steer 60° either side in azimuth, which allowed the plane to turn off of a direct collision course, limited to 9-12° of bank by the stabilisation of the antenna. Range was 320km.
Later versions increased range by changing the frequency and length of outgoing pulses. Range was increased to as much as 450km.
Yen-R was a further tweaked model especially for the Tu-16RM-1 recce version. With a pulse power of 180kW, range was up to 480km, and it could detirmine the largest ship of a group.
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Poslao: 03 Jul 2013 22:05
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Bison cutaway
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Arhiva ,Tu-16 i M-4 jedan pored drugog
i jedna fotka iz 1993g sa komentarom
Citat:The hangars at Zhukovsky were not guarded in 1993. In one of them we found this Tu-16.
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Poslao: 04 Jul 2013 09:38
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У сред његове експлоатације мислили су да је промашај, а он и даље има своје место.
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`Atlant` sa cudnim teretom na hrbatu
Zanimljivosti vezane za upotrebu u Afganu
Citat:Over the Soviet border, 36 Tupolev Tu-16 `Badger' bombers and 100 lighter strike aircraft (including Su-24s) took their positions in southern bases during mid-March. A month later, on 20 April, they launched the spring offensive in the guerrilla-controlled Panjshir valley with a series of mass bombing attacks, whilst helicopters flew some 100 sorties per day in follow-up operations. Rotary-wing strength had by now reached about 340, and these were operating at higher altitudes following several successes by Mujahideen using small arms. The introduction of level bombers for counter-insurgency is reminiscent of Malaya and Vietnam.
iz texta
http://www.soviethammer.net/blog/598681-the-afghanistan-air-war/
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