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pronadjeni UbS proizveden prije 1945

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vathra ::Није из наших крајева, али је врло актуелно.

Украјински премијер Јацењук разгледа заплењено наоружање у Славјанску.





Превише је то зарђало...изгледа ми као да су их извадили из земље после једно 40 година...



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ostatak šrapnel granate za brdski top Mle.1906 francuskog porjekla.



poređenje mina Brandtove konstrukcije italijanske proizvodnje M35 GC lijevo i GA desno.



Sve pronađeno u Busku nedaleko od Mostara.



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Питање за ЕОД-а:
препознаје ли нешто од граната на слици?


Још једна слика:
http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Srbija/490243/Evakuisano-.....u-dvoristu

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Napisano: 28 Avg 2014 14:11

na ovoj gornjoj sslici je UbS sa monitora Koros, a fotografija je napravljena u septembru prošle godine kod Svilaja na rijeci Savi ...gore lijevo granate 37mm za SK C30, pored desno kompletni metci, u sredini granata M.12 120mm a u dnu 6.6cm granata i kompletan metak. te od 37mm sam uništio svojeručno Very Happy fotografija je vjerovatno izvučena iz nekog arhiva kao prigodna, ali potpuno netačna.

slika na linku je sitna ali prepoznajem francusku granatu 155mm za Schneidere i 75mm granate za LiG18...ali sa solidnom mogućnosti greške.

Dopuna: 28 Avg 2014 14:20

100 lbs, GP AN M30A1, upaljači AN M103 prednji, AN M100 zadnji




Dopuna: 01 Sep 2014 14:12

njemački upaljači. friško pronađeni:

AZ 23 Geb, upaljač za granate brdskog topa kalibra 75mm,



Upaljač kl.AZ 23 umg, za granate 15cm,



Upaljač 10 cm M.14 Granatschrapnellzünder za Univerzalgranate M.14 10cm.



Dopuna: 05 Sep 2014 17:57

pronađeno na istoj kamari sa gornja tri upaljača i još par granata 47mm za top M35 47/32.

pancirno zrno M61 75mm za top na tenku M4 Sherman (proizvedeno 1944...a u upotrebi bilo i devedesetih);



Bojeva glava projektila AT Mk.I bacača PIAT. na drugoj ili trećoj strani sam stavio sliku projektilaAT Mk.II za isto oruđe;

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Cek, cek, 75mm za Shermana? Toga u JNA nije bilo koliko mi je poznato, jedini M4 su bili sa 76mm topovima koji su koristili M62 pancirno zrno, identicne konstrukcije kao M61... Isti 76mm topovi su bili i na M18 Hellcat.

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Napisano: 06 Sep 2014 9:38

M62 76mm zrno ima mnogo širi vodeći prsten sa tri faltne, dok su pancirna i balistička kapa gotovo identične. ovo je definitivno 75mm. u startu sam ga pogrešno identifikovao kao njemačko zrno 7,5mm zbog utora za pertlovanje i sličnosti vodećeg prstena, a i hrpe blata na njemu. no konstrukcija kape i definitivno upaljač, te malo vode, čelične četke i konsultacija i stvar je identifikovana kao što sam već napisao.

Dopuna: 06 Sep 2014 9:53

evo ga poređenje iz uputa Odjela za deminiranje Civilne zaštite Republike Francuske:



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Od cega li je? Koliko mi je poznato haubica 75mm ga nije imala u BK, a drugi topovi mi ne padaju na pamet...

Edit, izmena, zar nisu Englezi u jednom trenutku poslali 75mm 1917 topce partizanima? Ako jeste onda je to to.

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Napisano: 06 Sep 2014 18:14

...a i municija za 75mm haubicu je bila drukčije konstruisana jer su granate imale tzv. boat tail, tj. završavale su se konusom. a jesi li siguran da je M17 top jeo M61 zrna jer je pravljen za francusku municiju za to Mle.1897?

Dopuna: 06 Sep 2014 18:31

...da jeli su istu municiju 75x350R.

Dopuna: 11 Sep 2014 21:01

iz knjige "The Story of Ordnance in the
World War" Sevellon Brown o proizvodnji 75mm topa u Americi.

Citat:THE REDOUBTABLE 75.
Mounting in the scale of sizes, we come to the 75-millimeter
gun. This weapon played the most important role in the victory of
Allied arms; it practically dominated the battlefields of Europe.
The Ordnance Department from the beginning stressed its production
to the point where for every gun of another size produced we
turned out a 75. It thus constituted in itself one-half of our entire
artillery program.
In the production of this class of weapon the Ordnance Department
had to begin practically from the "take-off." We had no
model of our own in production that could be adhered to, our equipment
in this class of weapon when we entered the war consisting of
640 three-inch field guns of the old 1902 model. In the evolution of
Ordnance the limited elevation and traverse of this weapon had
rendered it obsolescent. The Ordnance Department faced the undeniable
fact and did not yield to the poor argument that because
this model might be produced with greater facility than a new one
it should be given preference. The split-trail design of light field
gun had been demonstrated to be immeasurably superior. It permitted
far greater elevation of fire by letting the gun body swing
down between the divergent trails and also a wider traverse movement
of the gun than was possible with the single-trail carriage.
Fortunately, the Ordnance Department had itself in 1913 begun the
development of a split-trail carriage design. A model of this design
had been thoroughly tested and an order for 172 had been placed a
few months before we entered the war. But no facilities had been
established and the 1916 model of carriage, as it is known, had in no
sense come into production.
Early quantity production in this class of weapon was recognized
as the paramount necessity. The French 75-millimeter
gun was recognized as the premier weapon of this class and every
effort was made at once to transplant its manufacture to this
country. But delay and uncertainty in getting production under
way were seen to be inevitable. It would have been imprudent, indeed,
to hold up all other production until this could be done, yet the
Ordnance Department was criticized in many quarters for splitting
up its program in this class of weapon instead of concentrating
from the beginning on the French 75.
The Bethlehem Steel Company had been manufacturing carriages
for the British 3.3-inch gun, capacity was there ready to be
utilized to the limit, and the Ordnance Department wisely determined
to use it. Orders for 1,427 of the British type of carriage
were placed in rapid succession with the Bethlehem company, beginning
in May, 1917. Simultaneously, additional orders were
placed for 755 of our own 1916 model. These orders constituted a
very wise alternative to the French 75 project. Shortly after they
were placed, the Ordnance Department reached the momentous decision
to make both types of carriage conform to the French 75-
millimeter size—slightly less than 3 inches. Here, indeed, was
a master stroke in our war-time ordnance preparation. Munitions
production was simplified enormously by calling for the manufacture
of a uniform size shell for this class of gun, and above all it
gave us interchangeability of ammunition with the French on the
battlefield.
The problem of getting sufficient gun bodies produced for the
75-millimeter units was far less vexing. Orders were placed for
these concurrently with the carriage orders and their production
was well timed with the other program. Three types of gun bodies
were built, the American, British, and French type, but all of the
7 5-millimeter bore.
Meanwhile all plans for getting the French 75 carriage under
production were being held up because of difficulty and delay in
getting the drawings. The first drawings were not received until
August, 1917, and complete data were not in hand until the following
April, more than a year after our entry into the war. Many of
the measurements the French themselves did not have upon paper.
In producing the superb recuperator mechanism of these carriages
they relied extensively upon hand fitting and deviated considerably
from blue print dimensions. Finally, all drawings as received had
to be translated into our units of measurement, which constituted
one of the greatest tasks involved in the French gun projects.
Construction of the recuperator systems on these guns presented
the most formidable challenge to American industrial and
technical skill that it has perhaps ever been called upon to meet.
Such exquisitely fine workmanship was necessary in the production
of these recuperators that French ordnance experts were skeptical,
and justifiably so, that the American mechanic could be trained in
their production in time for their use in the war. Although the
superiority of the recuperator on this as well as on the larger
French guns was universally conceded, Germany had never been
able to make them, and England, with the assistance of French
ordnance experts freely offered at the beginning of the war, did
not attempt them.
By December, 1917, complete drawings for the carriage of the
French 75 had been received and an order for 3,049 of them was
placed with the Willys-Overland Motor Car Company. Not until
February, 1918, however, were all specifications for the recuperator
in hand. After a thorough canvass of all industrial establishments
that might be induced to undertake the manufacture of this
mechanism, the Singer Manufacturing Company, producers of sewing
machines, finally consented to do so, and in March, 1918, they
accepted an order for 2,500 recuperators. The following month
1,000 additional were ordered to be turned out at the Rock Island
Arsenal. When these recuperators began to come through, it
marked their first production in a factory outside of French territory.
When hostilities ceased American factories were turning out
carriages for the three types of 75-millimeter gun at the rate of 393
per month, a total of 1,221 having been delivered up to that time.
The production of gun bodies was always ahead of the carriage
output. At the rate of increase in carriage production we would
have been turning out 800 carriages a month by February, 1919.
To equip our divisions in France before it could be hoped that
American factories could attain quantity production in 75-millimeter
material, the Ordnance Department took advantage of excess
capacity in the French shops, and beginning in June, 1917,
placed orders with the French Government for a total of 2,806 75-
millimeter guns, of which 1,828 had been delivered when the
armistice was signed. But the rate of output attained by our own
ordnance preparation would have been sufficient to supply 75's for
our entire projected army of 3,360,000 men on the front in the
summer of 1919.


Dopuna: 16 Sep 2014 15:19

88 nije toliko ni rijedak, ali mehanički tempirni upaljač ZtZ S/30, odnosno 8,8 cm granata kompletirana ovim upaljačem itekako jeste. Današnji pronalazak, okolina Sarajeva, upaljač je proizveden u tvornici S.A. Tavaro, Ghent, Belgium.



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Alo arheolog Smile ...pa de ostavi neš i budućim naraštajima da i oni neš iskopaju, majku mu staru Smile
Izbunario si ih više nego svi drugovi u 45 godina i gospoda narednih 30 Wink

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Napisano: 16 Dec 2014 15:10

Friško pronađena, tempirna granata (šta je ostalo od nje) 75mm za PA top 75mm Škoda Vz.37, u Wermachtu poznata kao Spgr.75/50.




Dopuna: 28 Jan 2015 18:32

Pronađene danas nekoliko stotina metara jedna od druge 3" MkIII i Wgr34 8cm. Cigansko brdo, Široki Brijeg.



Dopuna: 04 Feb 2015 12:23

Upaljač AZ 73 B2 kojim je kompletirana njemačka kasetna bombica SD-1 frz, zapravo konvertovana francuska minobacačka mina 50mm Modele 27. Bombica nije pronađena, ali je ovo dokaz o upotrebi. Okolina Sarajeva.






Dopuna: 19 Maj 2015 18:19

ova mi je zanimljiva...2in minobacačka mina i pored nje jedna koju je lijepo otvorio kolega iz Mostara (obje pronađene u Hercegovini)



Dopuna: 14 Jun 2015 10:21

Hajmo, raja, remonat...njemačka Pz.Gr. 4cm za FLAK28 proizvedena 1942, remontovana 1959, pronađena 2015...





Dopuna: 14 Jun 2015 16:48

najčešće pronalažen komad artiljerijske municije iz 2SR u BiH, 47mm granate za PT top M35, što nije ni čudo s obzirom da je to oruđe koristila svaka vojska koja je ovuda prošla. lijevo dvije trenutne M35, desno četiri pancirne M39.




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