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Ma to nije ta slika...Fotografiju srušene letjelice još nismo vidjeli (ako je uopće i vidimo).



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Kaćuša ::Ma to nije ta slika...Fotografiju srušene letjelice još nismo vidjeli (ako je uopće i vidimo).

Znam, nisam ni mislio da je ovo dron. Ali kad sam vidio sliku pade mi na pamet da potrazim dimenzije drona.



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Postoji mogucnost da je dron oboren sistemom Kvant 1L222 nazvan Avtobaza koji se koristi za ometanje radara i razbijanje data-linka letilica i krstarecih projektila.

http://defense-update.com/20111205_kvant-1l222-avt.....ystem.html

Iran je dobio ovaj sistem pre negde mesec i po dana.

Izvor http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011.....q-17.html#

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Downed drone was on CIA mission

Arrow http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/06/downed-drone-was-on-cia-mission/

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Napisano: 06 Dec 2011 17:17

Iranci nisu objavili da su oborili letjelicu nego da su detektovali i nakon toga preuzeli kontrolu i prizemljili je,a neki mediji su objavili da je oborena,što se tiče priče koju je plasirao Nato ona je u najmanju ruku sumnjiva,prvo taj dio Irana je vukojebina gdje je većina terena ne pristupaćna i ako uzmemo u obzir da je ta letjelica najmodernija u stelt tehnologiji plus njena velićina možete pretpostaviti kakav radarski odraz ima a ni okom je nije jednostavno vidjet i šanse da Iranci nadju letjelicu na takvom terenu a da je prethondno nisu detektovali su minimalne jedino ako im je pala pred noge,takodje oni tvrde da je letjelica nestala prije nekoliko dana a svi znamo da takve letjelice imaju više različitih sistema za pračenje tako da se nikada ne dogodi da svi zakažu.dovoljno je da ima 2-3 satalitska odašiljaća(vjerovatno ima i više)pa da šansa da se svi pokvare bude 1:1000000, dakle da je pala sama vjerovatno bi je oni našli i pokupili ,još ako tome dodamo da takve letjelice najvjerovatnije imaju okidać za samo uništenje u slućaju gubitka kontrole možete sami pretpostaviti,neznam ne bi sada tvrdio ni ovo ni ono ali nekako mi je sumljivo da se TOP SECRET UAV koja je par puta uslikana za 3 godine u čiji razvoj i proizvodnju je uloženo milione dolara jednostavno sama od sebe padne baš u Iran,pa nije to kupljeno u kineskoj četvrti za 1$,ali opet kažem nebi tvrdio 100% ni da nije pala usljed kvara ali skoro sam siguran da nije.

Dopuna: 06 Dec 2011 17:26

Citat:Postoji mogucnost da je dron oboren sistemom Kvant 1L222 nazvan Avtobaza koji se koristi za ometanje radara i razbijanje data-linka letilica i krstarecih projektila.
Ko zna,uglavnom ono što se vidi da ulažu dosta u razvoj i proizvodnju svih vrsta osmatračkih radara,lijek za smanjen RCS je veliki broj različitih radarskih stanica.

Evo jedan od 6400 modula,



Dopuna: 06 Dec 2011 22:50

The Sentinel drone has cutting-edge stealth and surveillance technology that other nations could exploit. One of the aircraft crashed in Iran, and a U.S. official says it was on a CIA mission.




Reporting from Los Angeles and Washington—
The radar-evading drone that crash-landed over the weekend in Iran was on a mission for the CIA, according to a senior U.S. official, raising fears that the aircraft's sophisticated technology could be exploited by Tehran or shared with other American rivals.

It was unclear whether the drone's mission took it over Iran or whether it strayed there accidentally because of technical malfunctions, the official said.

Though the drone flight was a CIA operation, U.S. military personnel were involved in flying the aircraft, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy involved.

The jet-powered, bat-winged RQ-170 Sentinel drone is considered one of the most advanced in the U.S. arsenal, with stealth technology and sophisticated computer systems that enable it to penetrate deep into hostile territory without detection.

Its capabilities were demonstrated during the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan, where it provided surveillance of the operation.

The aircraft's full abilities are a closely guarded secret, and the Pentagon has not revealed its price tag, size or top speed. But it has acknowledged this: The Sentinel may now be in Iranian hands.

"I think we're always concerned when there's an aircraft, whether it's manned or unmanned, that we lose, particularly in a place where we're not able to get to it," Navy Capt. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said to reporters Monday.

Peter W. Singer, author of "Wired for War," a book about robotic warfare, said it's not new to have drones downed in enemy territory, but the RQ-170 represents the next generation of drone aircraft.

"It carries a variety of systems that wouldn't be much of a benefit to Iran, but to its allies such as China and Russia, it's a potential gold mine," Singer said.

Other aviation experts weren't so sure.

"I don't think this is a dagger pointed at the heart of democracy," said Loren Thompson, defense policy analyst for the Lexington Institute in Arlington, Va. "A lot of information about this aircraft was already known by foreign military intelligence officials."

On Sunday, Iran's armed forces said they brought down a Sentinel drone that violated the country's airspace along the eastern border. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization's U.S.-led force in neighboring Afghanistan said Iranian authorities might be referring to an unarmed U.S. reconnaissance plane that went missing during a mission in western Afghanistan late last week, but did not confirm what kind of aircraft was downed.

The NATO force's statement was ambiguous about who was flying the aircraft.

"The operators of the UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle] lost control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status," the statement said.

Spokesmen for the CIA, White House, Pentagon and congressional intelligence oversight committees declined to comment.

Although the Sentinel's capabilities remain largely classified, it is believed to carry the latest in cutting-edge cameras and sensors that can "listen in" on cellphone conversations as it soars miles above the ground or "smell" the air and sniff out chemical plumes emanating from a potential underground nuclear laboratory.

Ever since it was developed at Lockheed Martin Corp.'s famed Skunk Works facility in Palmdale, the Sentinel drone has been cloaked in tight secrecy by the U.S. government. But now the drone that the Iranian military claims to have brought down for invading its airspace might be made far more public than the Pentagon or Lockheed ever intended.

Another U.S. official with access to intelligence said that losing the Sentinel is a major security breach. The official, who was not authorized to publicly speak about the information, wouldn't say how the drone fell into Iranian hands, but confirmed that the downed drone was largely intact.

"It's bad — they'll have everything" in terms of the secret technology in the aircraft, the official said. "And the Chinese or the Russians will have it too."




http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-1206-drone-iran-20111206,0,928838.story


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Оно што је сигурно је да летелицу тестирају у Афганистану. По мени сигурно је користе и за шпијунирање ирана и његовог пво рупа у систему итд. Међутим мени пада напамет па и Иранци су свесни тога, а напад је најбоља одбрана, можда и они надгледају амере и њихове комуникације може да се деси да су им неке и ''снимили'' па и провалили. Question

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nemezisx ::Оно што је сигурно је да летелицу тестирају у Афганистану. По мени сигурно је користе и за шпијунирање ирана и његовог пво рупа у систему итд. Међутим мени пада напамет па и Иранци су свесни тога, а напад је најбоља одбрана, можда и они надгледају амере и њихове комуникације може да се деси да су им неке и ''снимили'' па и провалили. Question

Иранска беспилотна летелица је 20минута снимала носач авиона САД-а тако да нио Иранци нису баш невинашца.

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Evo kako su Amerikanci reagovali;
1.Nisu ni potvrdili ni negirali da su izgubili letjelicu
2.Potvrdili gubitak letjelice ali nije izgubljena iznad Irana,nego je letjela u Afgan. i kontrolol izgubio kontrolu i to par dana prije,takodje nisu potvrdili o kojoj letjelici je rijeć.
3.Potvrda da se radi o RQ-170,ali izgubljena kada je kontrolor izgubio kontrolu u Afga. i to par dana prije.
4.Letjelica je bila u misiji CIA-e i pala je u Iranu i vjerovatno je skoro neoštećena,ali opet nije prizemljena nego je komtrolor izgubio konntrolu
5.Letjelica bila u misiji CIA-e,kada je pala pomoću satalita smo je uoćili i razmatrali da li podrućije bombardovati ili poslati spec.ali se odustalo od oba prjedloga.

A U.S. satellite quickly pinpointed the downed drone, which apparently sustained significant damage, the senior official said.
Another U.S. official confirmed that when the drone crashed, the United States briefly considered all potential options for retrieving the aircraft or bombing the wreckage, but those ideas were quickly discarded as impractical.
The officials have direct knowledge of the events, but spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the intelligence matters. CIA officials have declined to comment.

Treba još reći da svi oni tvrde da je letjelica imala 2 sistema da se ovo ne dogodi,prvi je da u slućaju gubitka kontrole letjelica ukljućuje auto pilota koji je programiran da se vrati u bazu odakle je poletio,drugi je okidać za samo uništenje i niko nezna zašto se ništa od ovog nije desilo,dakle letjelica nestala "prošle sedmice" registrovali smo je par dana prije Iranaca ali je nismo mogli izvući.

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Zamal da bombarduju Iran pre vremena Mr. Green

Nije šija nego vrat. Sumnjivo je sve ovo. Čekaju se slike i snimci, dok Iran ne pokaže sve nema ništa od medijske i propagandne pobede.

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Ovo sto je nelsa napisao pod tackom 5,odnosno sto su ameri rekli,ako je pala/sletela u istocni deo irana i da su je registrovali nekoliko dana pre njih,onda su mogli da posalju drugu da je uniste.Istocni deo irana je tako reci zabit,nego da ta letelica nije sletela na neko mesto koje je dobro branjeno pvo sredstvima i avijacijom?

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