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Leteći tenk - borbeni helikopter Mi-24/Mi-35

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Da, Hrvatska je jos pre par godina povukla iz naoruzanja Mi-24.



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Rusija oprema novu afganistansku vojsku helikopterima Mi-24...Verzija P koju možete videti na slici potpuno je reparirana tako da nije reč o "krševima" - karakterističan je dvocevni 30mm top sa desne strane trupa-

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Russia to Supply Ammunition to Afghanistan at U.S. Request — Report
Created: 22.05.2006 13:18 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 13:30 MSK
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U.S. defense officials have secretly requested a “prodigious quantity” of ammunition from Russia to supply the Afghan army in case a Democrat president takes over in Washington and pulls out American troops. Pentagon chiefs have asked arms suppliers for a quote on a vast amount of ordnance, including more than 78 million rounds of AK47 (the well-known Kalashnikov submachine gun) ammunition, 100,000 rocket-propelled grenades and 12,000 tank shells — equivalent to about 15 times the British Army’s annual requirements, The Daily Telegraph reported Monday.

The order also suggests the Afghan army will be equipped with T62 tanks, Mi24 Hind attack helicopters, and Spandrel anti-tank missiles.

The Bush administration is said to want the deal because of worries that the next president could be a Democrat, possibly Senator Clinton, who may abandon Afghanistan. White House insiders fear that Afghanistan could “drift” and consequently, they want heavily to arm President Kharzai’s government before the 2008 American presidential election. Diplomatic sources also believe that America may be offering the estimated $400 million deal, including transport costs, to the Russians as an inducement to embargo its arms and nuclear technology exports to Iran.

Defense specialists said Russian arms chiefs at first “fell about laughing” because they thought the order was a joke when it arrived this month. But with the Americans said to be pressing for a price and an earliest delivery date, the request is being rapidly processed and exports could begin before the end of this year. All of the material will come from Rosoboron Exports, the sole state intermediary agency for Russia’s military exports.

Russian ammunition will give the Afghan National Army a vast arsenal to deal with the Taliban or drug warlords if Washington withdraws its troops. It would allow Kabul to defend its borders against outside interference but could also be used for offensive operations against neighbors such as the country’s old enemy, Pakistan.

“This is completely refitting the Afghan army for the long term and it should stop a resurgence of the Taliban in its tracks,” a British arms expert said. “The order will take a year to make and deliver but the Russians are used to large quantities.”

A senior British officer said: “The point of getting Afghanistan up and running is so they can take on their own operations.” “This deal makes sense if we are going to hand over military control to them” he stressed.

Most Afghan weaponry is either Soviet-era or compatible with Russian munitions, making shipments from Western countries unnecessary. Rosoboron is one of a few companies that could handle such a big order and should give favorable prices.

The Afghan army is 35,000 strong but is expected to grow to 70,000 trained soldiers by 2009. Its troops are already beginning to receive advanced infantry training — the American order includes 50 million blank rounds — with soldiers specializing in artillery and special forces work.

Some observers pointed to the irony of the deal, because when the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan the Americans sold Stinger surface-to-air missiles to the Mujahideen to enable them to shoot down Moscow’s aircraft.

The U.S.-lead coalition went to war against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan on the 7th of October 2001. Two months after operations began, several major cities of Afghanistan had been liberated from the Taliban. The White House insists that now “al-Qaeda is losing its power, their safe havens and much of their leadership. Today, they are fragmented and their leaders are missing, captured, killed or on the run”. Meanwhile the situation in the country is still unstable and req



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...pa ovi kao da planiraju 3. svijetski rat covjece. Shocked Mislim toliki arsenal, ja bi ih sve radije malo poslao u adekvatnu skolu...da se opismene po nekim pitanjima! Njima je ekonomija propast, ustvari bolje receno nema je, a onda taj narod ima jedino alternativu u ratu i proizvodnji maka... Nesto kontam kad se zaguza dole, mozda i Talibani hajruju dio tog stocka...
Uopste, dali Avganistan ima vlastite pilote za ove helikoptere, ili ce ih morati rentirati. Confused Pogotovo je upitna njihova mogucnost da odrzavaju high-tech, sto ovi helikopteri zaista i jesu! Bebee Dol

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imao sam šansu da vidim jedan od dva kojije po hitnom postupku sleteo u ladjevce jer mu se /koliko sam čuo kasnije/ zapušio dovod goriva
pa se jedva dovukao do aerodroma
bio sam zapanjen kako moćno izgleda
naravno to je nekako rutinski sređeno, koliko sam čuo kasnije i milsim da se vratio u BG
a vidjali smo ih tokom 98 i do marta 99 često kako preleće aerodrom
tj leti blizu na putu ka KiM
verovatno im je to bila ruta ko će ga znati

što se tiče sakrivanja eh de su se sve sakrivale letelice da čovek nepoveruje
pa neki orlići su čak vučeni ibarskom ...

sećam se da su gazele bile postavljene po terenima u ladjevcima i sva sreća su otišle jer je posle na svakom mestu gde su bile bila po jedna ii više rupa + - 2 metra /razlika izmedju odlaska gazela i rupa manja od 24 h/
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@kripo...

Nemoj ništa da te čudi - pored rusa i česi su u igri a oni će donirati afganistan sa svojim otpisanim Mi-24 i sa nekoliko Mi-17...
Što se tiče pilota, oni ih imaju a sigurno su od smene talibanskog režima obučilo i dosta novih kao onda kad su rusi stigli prvi put kod njih.

Druga stvar - zna se da je ta država na rubu siromaštva, ali pogledaj jednu činjenicu da recimo jedna Etiopija, Eritreja ili recimo Jemen kupuju a i poseduju Su-27, Mi-24 i najnovije Migove-29...odakle tim državama pare ?
Kad pogledamo afganistan on poput iraka sad dobija donacije - iračke donacije ameri sigurno naplate naftom, a afganistanske samo ciljno - približiti se rusima najbliže, okružiti iran totalno i uništiti njihovog najvećeg neprijatelja Al-kaidu.

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Ron Jeremy ::... ali pogledaj jednu činjenicu da recimo jedna Etiopija, Eritreja ili recimo Jemen kupuju a i poseduju Su-27, Mi-24 i najnovije Migove-29...odakle tim državama pare ?

Pa najgore i jeste što te pare i nemaju, već sve što imaju daju na oružje.Zato nemaju šta da jedu! Nisu baš primjer za ugledati se kako raspolagati novcem i resursima.

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Procitao sam negde da cak planiraju i opremanje RV Avganistana sa MiG-29 i Su-27!

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@ Mix:

Evo one slicice sa upotrebom karte, samo na makedonskom Mi-24:

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A evo i zveri u akciji:

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@lalenbg
dobra slika ... fala Very Happy

Ron Jeremy ::***Verzija P - povecanje efikasnosti i vatrene moci
Verzija P pojavila se 1981 i do 1990 proizvedeno je ukupno 620 helikoptera. Verzija P bila je slicna verziji V sa razlikom što je umesto cetvorocevnog mitraljeza 12,7mm imala ugraden dvocevni top Gš-30K od 30mm sa desne strane trupa. Taj top ima brzinu gadanja 1500 met/min.
Ipak i pored velike vatrene moci i robusnosti, ovo rešenje se nije pokazalo kao zadovoljavajuce pa je 1989 u serijsku proizvodnju uvedena verzija Mi-24VP sa dvocevnim topom Gš-23L 23mm u nosnoj tureli sa brzinom gadanja 3000 do 3400 met/min.
Verzija VP je poslednja standardna borbena verzija koja je ušla u serijsku proizvodnju i proizvedena je u svega 25 primeraka.

Ovde se očigledno pojavio problem oko trzaja topa GŠ-30mm ...

GŠ-23mm ima trzaj od 3.000kg (nije greška - 3.000kg) po opaljenoj granati ... pa sve to puta 3000 - 3400 granata u minuti .
Bilo bi zanimljivo videti neku sliku kako su uspeli da reše trzaj GŠ-23mm ...
i kako su probali da reše na GŠ-30mm koji je verovatno još veći .

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Ma izgleda da nije bio samo trzaj glavi problem nego i cijeli nisanski sistem koji rusi (barem u ranijim verzijama)nisu mogli da naprave pouzdan nisan...Bas sam citao upravo radi takvih nedostataka iracani su koristili Mi25 i gazele u paru, Mi25 samo zaspe polozaje sa sacastim lanserima dok gazela je ta koja vrsi precizno gadjanje iskoristivsi pometnju...
jedno pitanje, zna li ko, ko je upravljao srbijanskim Mi24 domaci ili neki strani piloti, kada su bili u upotrebi?

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