Mil Mi-2/PZL- 2 Kania/PZL-3 Sokół

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GTD-350 Mil Mi-2 helicopter engine.

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Napisano: 01 Apr 2013 14:22

Filipinci



Dopuna: 20 Maj 2013 14:01

Ukrajinska modernizacija Mi-2 MSB-2

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Dopuna: 30 Maj 2013 14:48

VS Poljske isporucen drugi W-3WA VIP
Citat:PZL-Świdnik, an AgustaWestland company, is pleased to announce it has delivered the second W-3WA Sokol helicopter in VIP configuration to the Polish Air Force as part of a contract signed in 2011 for five aircraft. The first W-3WA Sokol was handed over four months ago and the remaining aircraft are scheduled to be delivered by the end of 2013. The W-3WA Sokols will be used to transport senior military and government personnel.

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Dopuna: 25 Jul 2013 15:41

Filipinci nezadovoljni sa PZL W-3

Citat:”Of what use is a combat helicopter if you cannot use its machine gun?” President Aquino asked in his State of the Nation Address on Monday.

On Tuesday, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said the purchase of eight Sokol helicopters from Poland would be the last by the Department of National Defense (DND) since they could not be used in combat, after all.

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Да ли су хеликоптери испоручени са митраљезима?

Ако митраљези не ваљају не значи да су хеликоптери лоши.

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^^^Mislim da nisu,jer u ugovoru se mitraljezi nigde nisu spominjali.

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O čemu to Filipinci, pa Poljaci koriste naoružane W-3.

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zixo ::Да ли су хеликоптери испоручени са митраљезима?

Ако митраљези не ваљају не значи да су хеликоптери лоши.

Ne bune se na sam mitraljez, nego na helikopter. Kaze da su vrata uska i da ne moze da se koristi u borbenim situacijama jer mitraljez mora da se skloni da bi moglo da se izadje.




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Citat:“I understand helicopters because I’m a combat officer. The first thing I noticed was, why do you have to remove the machine gun before you can get inside it? The entrance is too narrow, it’s all wrong,” said Gazmin, a former Army Special Forces commander.

Pre nego sto neko pita zasto je onda kupovao? :
Citat:The P2.8-billion deal with Augusta PZL Swidnik of Italy and Poland for eight Sokol helicopters had been signed, sealed and delivered when he assumed office in July 2010, Gazmin said.

Dalje:
Citat:The Sokols were supposed to replace the Vietnam-vintage UH-1H Huey helicopters the PAF used in search and rescue, medical evacuation and combat utility missions.

But in his Sona on Monday, President Aquino said the helicopters could not be used to ferry soldiers to combat zones because the machine guns were mounted at the door, blocking entry and exit.

“If you are a soldier entering the fray at the height of battle, of what use is a machine gun that is set aside and unable to fire? Did no one think about this before the contracts were signed? Why was this even approved in the first place?” Aquino said.

Gazmin said he had not made up his mind whether or not to order an investigation and go after those responsible for the purchase of the Sokols even if these did not meet the PAF’s requirements.

“We’ll study that. I cannot answer that question yet,” he said.

He said the helicopters would be used in search and rescue missions and the DND would proceed with the acquisition of attack helicopters. “But no longer the Sokol. We are looking at other brands of aircraft and helicopters.”

Sasvim ima smisla sta covek kaze. UH-1 je mnogo bolji helikopter za te namene.

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Ко им је крив.

А могли су набавити и борбену варијанту Сокола.

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Pardubice
Maj 2013


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zixo ::Ко им је крив.

А могли су набавити и борбену варијанту Сокола.

Koju bi razliku dala borbena varijanta? Ni on nema nista veca vrata.

Prethodna vlast tamo verovatno nije dosta definisala uslove karakteristika, nego verovatno samo broj vojnika i neke osnovne parametre kao sto su brzina, plafon i nosivost, pa su dobili najjeftiniju ponudu od Sokola. Sami su krivi sto su uzeli Sokola, a ne neki bolji helikopter.

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Mogli bi staviti pilon za mitraljez kod zadnjeg prozora i napraviti prozor na otvaranje i tako ostaviti vrata prohodna. Ima puno helikoptera sa takvim rešenjem. Samo verovatno nema dovoljno mesta za stajanje zbog niskog plafona. Možda bi išlo vrtljivom stolicom?

Evo ovaj ima sa strane mitraljez i ostavljena prohodna vrata. Neznam samo dali operater na mitraljezu stoji ili sedi?