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Globalno odmeravanje snaga medju svetskim silama

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zlaya011 ::Nema US vremena do 2024.Pocetkom rada banke BRICS i AIIB Rusija i Kina ce da se oslobadjaju dolarskih deviznih rezervi.Tu kolicinu na trzistu nece imati ko da amortizuje tako da ce US biti prisiljena da to radi.Sto ce dovesti do lancane reakcije urusavanja dolara a samim tim i ekonomije US.
Moje misljenje je da ce ovaj proces biti u punom zamahu pre 2018 sto bi znacilo zavrsetak procesa 2020.
Jedini "spas" bi im bio da zapocnu svetski rat.Kako to zavrsava valjda je svima jasno,radioaktivna pustinja planeta Zemlja.


Kina planira jos dugo da muze Ameriku, pa mi bas nije jasno na osnovu cega si zakljucio da odustaju od dolara?

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Kina planira jos dugo da muze Ameriku, pa mi bas nije jasno na osnovu cega si zakljucio da odustaju od dolara?

Kina je od US izmuzla koliko je bilo potrebno i moguce.US se ne moze jos mnogo zaduzivati bez velikih lomova tako da to nece ni raditi sto znaci da je vreme u kom su oni najveci (veci od ostatka sveta) potrosac kineskih proizvoda proslost.Takodje polako ali sigurno zivotni standard u Kini raste sto znaci da kineska radna snaga prestaje biti prakticno besplatna za zapad kao sto je bila.Kina sve vise novca ulaze u strane resurse (rudnici,plantaze,busotine...) tako da joj jeftina proizvodnja svega nece jos dugo biti glavni (i jedini) prihod.
Kina je mnogo pre Rusije zapocela masovne kupovine zlata (sada to radi i Rusija za vestacki precenjene dolare kupuje vestacki potcenjeno zlato) Kina to radi vec 5-6 godina i kineske rezerve zlata su ogromne.Koliko dugo ce US moci vestacki odrzavati nisku cenu zlata kao do sada?Ne predugo rekao bih jer to kosta.
Vrednost dolara ce da pada i pada i pada jer ce sve manje moci da se plasira po svetu kao sto se do sada plasirao i davao US mogucnost neogranicenog stampanja dolara bez negativnog uticaja na njihovu ekonomiju (kad ti zatreba para odstampaj koliko ti treba ima ovaca koje ce to da prime).
Glavna orudja US ekonomije su MMF i Svetska banka pomocu kojih su plasirali dolar po svetu.Sada pocinje sa radom BRICS banka a i AIIB koja je Kinesko orudje i koje US ne kontrolise (kao sto kontrolise MMF i Svetsku banku).Naravno da ce pre nego pocnu koristiti AIIB za plasiranje juana po svetu da se oslobode svojih ogromnih zaliha dolara. Zasto bi cuvali devizne rezerve u valuti za koju znaju da ce da gubi vrednost?
Mozda me neki ljudi pogresno razumeju pa misle da govorim da ce da US nestanu ili tako neki apokalipticni scenario.Ja ne mislim da ce to da se desi vec smatram da ce US da padnu u tolikoj meri da vise nece moci biti neupitna svetska sila vec ce postati jedna od 3 velike (ili 4 ili 5 srednjih svetskih sila) i da nece vise moci da projektuju svoju moc po celom svetu vec ce biti vraceni u neke realne okvire i morat ce nauciti da nisu izuzetni i izuzeti od principa kojim se vodi ostatak sveta.
Da ce to za njih da bude bolno to je sigurno ali i njihova "izuzetnost" je bila bolna za ostatak sveta pa evo prezivesmo. Ziveli

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Ja sam vrlo skeptican u prognoze brze propasti Amerike (ne zato sto ih volim vec zato sto sebe smatram realistom). Ali dobro nije toliko daleko 2018 pa cemo videti Very Happy

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Evo malo materijala za razmisljanje o onome sto sam naveo u proslom postu
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Western Delusions vs. Chinese Realities
Jeff Clark
Jeff Clark
Senior Precious Metals Analyst

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I don’t want to say that mainstream analysts are stupid when it comes to China’s gold habits, but I did look up how to say that word in Chinese…

One report claims, for example, that gold demand in China is down because the yuan has fallen and made the metal more expensive in the country. Sounds reasonable, and it has a grain of truth to it. But as you’ll see below, it completely misses the bigger picture, because it overlooks a major development with how the country now imports precious metals.

I’ve seen so many misleading headlines over the last couple months that I thought it time to correct some of the misconceptions. I’ll let you decide if mainstream North American analysts are stupid or not.

The basis for the misunderstanding starts with the fact that the Chinese think differently about gold. They view gold in the context of its role throughout history and dismiss the Western economist who arrogantly declares it an outdated relic. They buy in preparation for a new monetary order—not as a trade they hope earns them a profit.

Combine gold’s historical role with current events, and we would all do well to view our holdings in a slightly more “Chinese” light, one that will give us a more accurate indication of whether we have enough, of what purpose it will actually serve in our portfolio, and maybe even when we should sell (or not).

The horizon is full of flashing indicators that signal the Chinese view of gold is more prudent for what lies ahead. Gold will be less about “making money” and more about preparing for a new international monetary system that will come with historic consequences to our way of life.

With that context in mind, let’s contrast some recent Western headlines with what’s really happening on the ground in China. Consider the big picture message behind these developments and see how well your portfolio is geared for a “Chinese” future…
Gold Demand in China Is Falling

This headline comes from mainstream claims that China is buying less gold this year than last. The International Business Times cites a 30% drop in demand during the “Golden Week” holiday period in May. Many articles point to lower net imports through Hong Kong in the second quarter of the year. “The buying frenzy, triggered by a price slump last April, has not been repeated this year,” reports Kitco.

However, these articles overlook the fact that the Chinese government now accepts gold imports directly into Beijing.

In other words, some of the gold that normally went through Hong Kong is instead shipped to the capital. Bypassing the normal trade routes means these shipments are essentially done in secret. This makes the Western headline misleading at best, and at worst could lead investors to make incorrect decisions about gold’s future.

China may have made this move specifically so its import figures can’t be tracked. It allows Beijing to continue accumulating physical gold without the rest of us knowing the amounts. This move doesn’t imply demand is falling—just the opposite.

And don’t forget that China is already the largest gold producer in the world. It is now reported to have the second largest in-ground gold resource in the world. China does not export gold in any meaningful amount. So even if it were true that recorded imports are falling, it would not necessarily mean that Chinese demand has fallen, nor that China has stopped accumulating gold.
China Didn’t Announce an Increase in Reserves as Expected

A number of analysts (and gold bugs) expected China to announce an update on their gold reserves in April. That’s because it’s widely believed China reports every five years, and the last report was in April 2009. This is not only inaccurate, it misses a crucial point.

First, Beijing publicly reported their gold reserve amounts in the following years:

500 tonnes at the end of 2001
600 tonnes at the end of 2002
1,054 tonnes in April 2009.

Prior to this, China didn’t report any change for over 20 years; it reported 395 tonnes from 1980 to 2001.

There is no five-year schedule. There is no schedule at all. They’ll report whenever they want, and—this is the crucial point—probably not until it is politically expedient to do so.

Depending on the amount, the news could be a major catalyst for the gold market. Why would the Chinese want to say anything that might drive gold prices upwards, if they are still buying?
Even with All Their Buying, China’s Gold Reserve Ratio Is Still Low

Almost every report you’ll read about gold reserves measures them in relation to their total reserves. The US, for example, has 73% of its reserves in gold, while China officially has just 1.3%. Even the World Gold Council reports it this way.

But this calculation is misleading. The US has minimal foreign currency reserves—and China has over $4 trillion. The denominators are vastly different.

A more practical measure is to compare gold reserves to GDP. This would tell us how much gold would be available to support the economy in the event of a global currency crisis, a major reason for having foreign reserves in the first place and something Chinese leaders are clearly preparing for.

The following table shows the top six holders of gold in GDP terms. (Eurozone countries are combined into one.) Notice what happens to China’s gold-to-GDP ratio when their holdings move from the last-reported 1,054-tonne figure to an estimated 4,500 tonnes (a reasonable figure based on import data).
Country Gold
(Tonnes) Value US$ B
($1300 gold) GDP US$ B
(2013) Gold
Percent
of GDP
Eurozone* 10,786.3 $450.8 12,716.30 3.5%
US 8,133.5 $339.9 16,799.70 2.0%
China** 4,500.0 $188.1 9,181.38 2.0%
Russia 1,068.4 $44.7 2,118.01 2.1%
India 557.7 $23.3 1,870.65 1.2%
Japan 765.2 $32.0 4,901.53 0.7%
China 1,054.1 $44.1 9,181.38 0.5%
*including 503.2 tonnes held by ECB
**Projection
Sources: World Gold Council, IMF, Casey Research proprietary calculations

At 4,500 tonnes, the ratio shows China would be on par with the top gold holders in the world. In fact, they would hold more gold than every country except the US (assuming the US and EU have all the gold they say they have). This is probably a more realistic gauge of how they determine if they’re closing in on their goals.

This line of thinking assumes China’s leaders have a set goal for how much gold they want to accumulate, which may or may not be the case. My estimate of 4,500 tonnes of current gold reserves might be high, but it may also be much less than whatever may ultimately satisfy China’s ambitions. Sooner or later, though, they’ll tell us what they have, but as above, that will be when it works to China’s benefit.
The Gold Price Is Weak Because Chinese GDP Growth Is Slowing

Most mainstream analysts point to the slowing pace of China’s economic growth as one big reason the gold price hasn’t broken out of its trading range. China is the world’s largest gold consumer, so on the surface this would seem to make sense. But is there a direct connection between China’s GDP and the gold price?

Over the last six years, there has been a very slight inverse correlation (-0.07) between Chinese GDP and the gold price, meaning they act differently slightly more often than they act the same. Thus, the Western belief characterized above is inaccurate. The data signal that, if China’s economy were to slow, gold demand won’t necessarily decline.

The fact is that demand is projected to grow for reasons largely unrelated to whether their GDP ticks up or down. The World Gold Council estimates that China’s middle class is expected to grow by 200 million people, to 500 million, within six years. (The entire population of the US is only 316 million.) They thus project that private sector demand for gold will increase 25% by 2017, due to rising incomes, bigger savings accounts, and continued rapid urbanization. (170 cities now have over one million inhabitants.) Throw in China’s deep-seated cultural affinity for gold and a supportive government, and the overall trend for gold demand in China is up.
The Gold Price Is Determined at the Comex, Not in China

One lament from gold bugs is that the price of gold—regardless of how much people pay for physical metal around the world—is largely a function of what happens at the Comex in New York.

One reason this is true is that the West trades in gold derivatives, while the Shanghai Gold Exchange (SGE) primarily trades in physical metal. The Comex can thus have an outsized impact on the price, compared to the amount of metal physically changing hands. Further, volume at the SGE is thin, compared to the Comex.

But a shift is underway…

In May, China approached foreign bullion banks and gold producers to participate in a global gold exchange in Shanghai, because as one analyst put it, “The world’s top producer and importer of the metal seeks greater influence over pricing.”

The invited bullion banks include HSBC, Standard Bank, Standard Chartered, Bank of Nova Scotia, and the Australia and New Zealand Banking Group (ANZ). They’ve also asked producing companies, foreign institutions, and private investors to participate.

The global trading platform was launched in the city’s “pilot free-trade zone,” which could eventually challenge the dominance of New York and London.

This is not a proposal; it is already underway.

Further, the enormous amount of bullion China continues to buy reduces trading volume in North America. The Chinese don’t sell, so that metal won’t come back into the market anytime soon, if ever. This concern has already been publicly voiced by some on Wall Street, which gives you an idea of how real this trend is.

There are other related events, but the point is that going forward, China will have increasing sway over the gold price (as will other countries: the Dubai Gold and Commodities Exchange is to begin a spot gold contract within three months).

And that’s a good thing, in our view.
Don’t Be Ridiculous; the US Dollar Isn’t Going to Collapse

In spite of all the warning signs, the US dollar is still the backbone of global trading. “It’s the go-to currency everywhere in the world,” say government economists. When a gold bug (or anyone else) claims the dollar is doomed, they laugh.

But who will get the last laugh?

You may have read about the historic energy deal recently made between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin. Over the next 30 years, about $400 billion of natural gas from Siberia will be exported to China. Roughly 25% of China’s energy needs will be met by 2018 from this one deal. The construction project will be one of the largest in the world. The contract allows for further increases, and it opens Russian access to other Asian countries as well. This is big.

The twist is that transactions will not be in US dollars, but in yuan and rubles. This is a serious blow to the petrodollar.

While this is a major geopolitical shift, it is part of a larger trend already in motion:

President Jinping proposed a brand-new security system at the recent Asian Cooperation Conference that is to include all of Asia, along with Russia and Iran, and exclude the US and EU.

Gazprom has signed agreements with consumers to switch from dollars to euros for payments. The head of the company said that nine of ten consumers have agreed to switch to euros.

Putin told foreign journalists at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum that “China and Russia will consider further steps to shift to the use of national currencies in bilateral transactions.” In fact, a yuan-ruble swap facility that excludes the greenback has already been set up.

Beijing and Moscow have created a joint ratings agency and are now “ready for transactions… in rubles and yuan,” said the Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov. Many Russian companies have already switched contracts to yuan, partly to escape Western sanctions.

Beijing already has in place numerous agreements with major trading partners, such as Brazil and the Eurozone, that bypass the dollar.

Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa (the BRICS countries) announced last week that they are “seeking alternatives to the existing world order.” The five countries unveiled a $100 billion fund to fight financial crises, their version of the IMF. They will also launch a World Bank alternative, a new bank that will make loans for infrastructure projects across the developing world.

You don’t need a crystal ball to see the future for the US dollar; the trend is clearly moving against it. An increasing amount of global trade will be done in other currencies, including the yuan, which will steadily weaken the demand for dollars.

The shift will be chaotic at times. Transitions this big come with complications, and not one of them will be good for the dollar. And there will be consequences for every dollar-based investment. US-dollar holders can only hope this process will be gradual. If it happens suddenly, all US-dollar based assets will suffer catastrophic consequences. In his new book, The Death of Money, Jim Rickards says he believes this is exactly what will happen.

The clearest result for all US citizens will be high inflation, perhaps at runaway levels—and much higher gold prices.
Gold Is More Important than a Profit Statement

Only a deflationary bust could keep the gold price from going higher at some point. That is still entirely possible, yet even in that scenario, gold could “win” as most other assets crash. Otherwise, I’m convinced a mid-four-figure price of gold is in the cards.

But remember: It’s not about the price. It’s about the role gold will serve protecting wealth during a major currency upheaval that will severely impact everyone’s finances, investments, and standard of living.

Most advisors who look out to the horizon and see the same future China sees believe you should hold 20% of your investable assets in physical gold bullion. I agree. Anything less will probably not provide the kind of asset and lifestyle protection you’ll need.

In the meantime, don’t worry about the gold price. China’s got your back.

You don’t have to worry about silver, either, which we think holds even greater potential for investors. In the July BIG GOLD, we show why we’re so bullish on gold’s little cousin, provide two silver bullion discounts exclusively for subscribers, and name our top silver pick of the year. Get it all with a risk-free trial to our inexpensive BIG GOLD newsletter.

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https://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/western-delusions-vs.-chinese-realities

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Uf malo ste se presli kolege .. ko koga `muze` je upitno ... to da dolar pada ??? hm ..

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zlatne rezerve US

Arrow http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/goldRpt/current_report.htm

Arrow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve

i ovo sto vi pisete kako zlato kupuje ovaj ili onaj ..da ali Ameri ga kradu/otimaju a to onda dodje onako besplatno zar ne ? Malo iz Rusije( pocetkom 90-tih ) Iraka ,Libije, Ukrajine itd ... kako to vec ide .. makar je do sad tako bilo a mozda su i oni odlucili da pocnu da ga kupuju ?

Sad ozbiljno ...Ameri nece lako pasti kako neki smatraju i tu je kolega mean u pravu ..ne treba se nadati ili zanositi nekoj propasti SAD a poredeci to sa nekim bivsim carstvima i vladavinama .. uostalom dolar na sebi ima onu piramidu sa svevidecim okom ( sektaski simbol tzv fariseja/iluminata i kojekakvih drustava kojima je samo stalo do otimanja blaga i bogatstva ,tudjeg naravno kao i do apsolutne vlasti nad svim i svacim )

No ne slute da ih gleda `oko nebesko` koje i jeste svevidece ( Svevid ) a mi sad vidimo ko je to ( zna se ) pa ako malo zabrljaju vise ,nece bas dobro ni proci ni zavrsiti a takvih je u slucaju konfrontacije sa Rusijom bilo vise od Napoleona do Hice ...

Samo jedan primer cu navesti ,danas bi rekli da je to bio prirodan fenomen ,jeste ali pokrenut upravo od tog `svevideceg oka nebeskog` a to je bio sam slucaj napada Vermahta na SSSR tj Sovjetsku Rusiju te 41- ve kad je vec od septembra ( sto se zadugo nije desilo ) pocela nagla zima ,time i zastoj Vermahta u osvajanju koji je posebno dosao do izrazaja u oktobru/novembru kad su temp bile i do -20 i vise stepeni ...

Dakle ima neko veci i jaci od tog dolara i toga sto je naslikano na njemu ...ali da se ne bi sta prepustalo slucaju mora se biti spreman na sve pa i na ove sankcije i sve ostalo ... Pogledajmo .dolar je dosao do izrazaja sa sankcijama nametnutim Rusiji a u Rusiji je dolar recimo nije euro valjda ...

To da Rusiji ,NRK ,Indiji mozda pa i Brazilu ( to je ona BRIK grupa ili mozda cak i BRIKS sa JAR ) treba neka nova zajednicka valuta je u redu ali kako to izvesti pored njima nametnutog dolara .. o tome se radi ..

Ponavljam jos jednom a u kontekstu proslave 70 godisnjice velike pobede nad fasizmom u Evropi ,bolje reci shodno datim zrtvama tj pozrtvovanjem velike ruske pobede nad vermahtom i oslobodjenja veceg dela Evrope od iste da samo ako ovako nastave ( a tada nece biti Putina ni Medvedeva ) pa da se u miru i opstem napredku i razvoju RF doceka i proslavi 100 -ta godisnjica te velike pobede a do tada treba izdrzati velike pritiske i provokacije kako dolara tako i americke administracije i diplomatije .

To ce biti prava `bitka` a u okviru navedenog globalnog suceljavanja `RF-SAD` kako i naslov teme glasi ..

Sa jakim/mocnim OS-ma,politikom i diplomatijom i ljudima iz istog kova kao sto su danas ova 2 savremena `Romanova` ,jakom ekonomijom i privredom i sto je bitno zadovoljnim stanovnistvom ,nadamo se i jos brojnijim to ce bitka biti laksa i podnosljivija a da ce je biti ... bice je, to je sigurno kad je zapad takav kakav je ...

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Napisano: 26 Apr 2015 0:16

Kad vec pominjemo 1941 treba biti fer pa reci da su nemacki generali zeleli zimu da bi izasli na kraj sa ruskim blatom. To je najvise usporilo nemacko napredovanje. Pre Moskvom nisu izgubili jer su se smrznuli vec zato sto su Rusi u borbu ubacili sveze sibirske rezerve.

Sto se tice konvencionalnog sukoba treba reci da Ameri nisu ko Nemci iz 1930tih i ne pada im napamet da krvave ko Nemci za tamo neki Sibir. Dok je trajao hladni rat jos je i bilo moguce ubediti dobar deo americke konzervativne omladine da ginu protiv komunizma, danas je Rusija kapitalisticka zemlja a dobar deo americkih konzervativaca gotivi Putina i kad bi mogao da se kandiduje pre bi glasali za njega nego za bilo kog republikanca Very Happy

Sa druge strane Rusi nisu sposobni da izvrse invaziju na Ameriku a kad bi im to poslo za rukom siguran sam da bi dobar deo Amera bio spreman da brani svoju zemlju.

Dakle zaboravite na nekakav konvencionalni III SR. Nema nista od toga.

Inace ako vec pricamo o nekom ekonomskom ratu, pa ovde na forumu smo citali da Rusi Amerima prodaju retke metale iako su Ameri zveknuli sankcije. Takodje Rusi i dalje taxiraju Amere do svemirske stanice. Da je Rusiji stvarno do zaostravanja odnosa ponasali bi se ko SSSR, hoces nas titanijum, samo ako CIA uspe da ga nabavi, a vec sad bi Rusi krenuli da odvajaju svoje module i pravili svoju novu svemirsku stanicu.

Razumem ja da vecina srpskih patriota zeli nekakav sudar titana ali to smo mi zelimo ne znaci da to zele titani. Mi inace vec decenijama imamo trip da Rusija treba da stavi na kocku svoje postojanje samo da bi MI mogli da sprovedemo svoje sitne i za Rusiju potpuno nebitne planove.

Dopuna: 26 Apr 2015 0:21

Bas pre neki mesec na TV sam gledeo Zivorada Jovanovica kako prica da je Rusija smrtno ugrozena i da je bila branjena od strane SRJ, u fazonu kupili smo im vremena taman da Putin dodje na vlast, cak je o tome napisao knjigu. Ko je kod nas sve bio diplomata i ministar spoljnih poslova (a bogme i dalje je) mi smo jos i dobro prosli jer tim ljudima je on verovatno glavna literatura:
http://www.e-novine.com/files.php?file=photo/drust.....041081.jpg

Mr. Green

P.S. inace gotivan lik kada skontate koliko je njemu dobro, pise ono sto voli, mlati pare a mnogi misle da je to vrlo ozbiljno stivo iako je on sam x puta rekao da je on samo pisac.

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Rusi pre svega nikada nisu ni imali zelju ni razvijali mogucnosti da izvrse invaziju na Ameriku.Pa pogledajte samo razvoj ruskih (u to vreme SSSR) OS a pogledajte americke.US su uvek razvijale ofanzivne i invazione snage dok su Rusi uvek razvijali odbrambene snage.Rusi nikada nisu imali 12 nosaca aviona koji iskljucivo sluze za projektovanje sile daleko od sopstvenih granica.
Inace bas su Rusi i izjavili da nakon 2018 nece nastaviti sa zajednickim svemirskim programom i da ce da odvoje svoj modul.Valjda je do 2018 na snazi postojeci ugovor.Rusi veoma retko idu na svesno krsenje vazecih ugovora i pravnog poretka (jedino kad su priterani "uz ziid" i nemaju drugog izbora),US su ti kojim odgovara svet haosa i koji sebe izuzimaju od bilo kakvih normi i pravnog poretka.
Inace mean u pravu si za rusko blato 1941. (slavna ruska rasputica) i delimicno si u pravu za uvodjenje svezih snaga iz Sibira (bilo ga je pod Moskvom ali ni blizu kao kasnije u ratu).Pod Moskvom je presudna bila velicanstvena ruska spremnost za zrtvu "za rodinu".
Naravno da se Rusija nece zrtvovati i ulaziti u sukob zbog tamo neke Srbije (koja sve skupa nema stanovnika ni da naseli 3 moskovska predgradja). Ali ce Rusija uci u sukob (u stvari vec je usla) zbog zapadnjackog kidisanja na ruske resurse.
Tacno je da bi US voleli preuzeti ruske resurse u Sibiru (i drugde) bez ratovanja (a ko ne bi) ali Rusi bas nisu radi poklanjanju i oni su spremni na odbranu svojega ratom u svakom trenutku.
Rusija jos uvek nema snage (a ni dovoljno alternativnih trzista) da ide na totalni rat sankcijama ali to se menja.Pa pogledajte Milerovu izjavu da ako EU pokusa da zaustavi Turski tok kao sto jr Juzni tok zaustavila bit ce prekinute sve isporuke gasa EU.Zasto sad ta izjava?Odnosno zasto nije bila vec kod Juznog toka?Pa zato sto ce do tada zapoceti isporuke Kini (iz onog ugovora stoleca) a sada toga nije bilo.
Inace price o masonima,svevidecem oku,iluminatima,piscima poput D.Lucica i ostalo su vise za neke druge forume.MCM je ipak ozbiljan forum Ziveli

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ray ban11 ::^^^

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A ova wiki tabela je super.Jeste Svabovi imaju 3,384.2 tone zlata.
Gde je?
Jel mogu da raspolazu s njime?
Eto onomad su trazili da ga pogledaju (tek toliko da ih zelja mine).Jok more,sta ti ima da gledas svoje zlato kad je ono sigurno u nasim sefovima.

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Jeste tabela je malo `sujmiva` nema sta ... sto se oznaka na dolaru tice to jeste tako kako je i uklapa se u devizu da je dolar svemocna i vladajuca valuta sveta tako da to nisu neozbiljne izjave ili komantari .. Uostalom to za gasovod ka NRK pa mozda nekad i za Indiju je super za Ruse ( pogledajmo samo ovo npr .. trziste samo Indije i Kine ima oko 2.5 milijardi ljudi sto je 4-5 puta vise od EU ! ) i to moze biti fina buducnost za rusku energetiku .. nego da nastavim oko gasa za Kinu i ostalo .. u kojoj ce se valuti prodavati taj gas ili nafta ili sta god ?

Za blato jeste ,mean ima i toga ,zima i blato zajedno na pocetku kasnije vremenom je Vermaht bio zaustavljen katastrofalnim hicinim odlukama koji za razliku od `celicnog` nije slusao svoje generale i feldmarsale inace da jeste bilo bi gusto ..ali nije na svu srecu ... Zukov je imao inicijativu i to se isplatilo ...

Kad sam pomenuo nagli dolazak zime ,Vermaht je u ukrajinskim ravnicama i beloruskim mocvarama te nepreglednim stepama i pustarama uhvacen potpuno nespreman za `veliki minus` ,o tome se radilo ...

Uostalom imali smo vec ono da za napad/agresiju moras imati `vreme,prostor ,ljude/vojnike i tehniku/sredstva` .Hitler tj Vermaht je imao samo ovo zadnje kad je tok napada na SSSR u pitanju ,dakle napada 22 juna 41ve i vec u potpunosti gubi inicijativu nakon kurske bitke samo 2 godine kasnije mada su i ranije neke bitke bile sto bi rekli `odlucujuce`....

Rusiji ne treba nikakav rat to je valjda jasno i sto jos treba da bude jasno ,nikom ne treba rat sa Rusijom zbog silnih atomki ... Rusiji treba vise ljudi ,vise stanovnika na cemu novi Romanovi takodje rade i to je odlicno ... SAD imaju 2 puta vise stanovnika na skoro 2 puta manjoj teritoriji ,o odnosu sa NRK ili Indijom da ne pisem ...

Rusiji jednostavno treba veci prirodni prirastaj i da sve to ekonomija i podrzi naravno ... ima dosta tog napisanog i na temi o Rusiji ( neke stvari su i `deja vu` a koje smo napisali ) ..dakle ovu temu ne treba gledati kao `uvod` u kakav medjusobni rat/sukob samo na neke detalje medjusobnog rivalstva i nista posebno ...

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Uostalom to za gasovod ka NRK pa mozda nekad i za Indiju je super za Ruse ( pogledajmo samo ovo npr .. trziste samo Indije i Kine ima oko 2.5 milijardi ljudi sto je 4-5 puta vise od EU ! ) i to moze biti fina buducnost za rusku energetiku .. nego da nastavim oko gasa za Kinu i ostalo .. u kojoj ce se valuti prodavati taj gas ili nafta ili sta god ?
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Vec sada Rusija i Kina imaju ugovor o medjusobnoj trgovini u juanima i rubljama.Ne vidim sto bi ga posle menjali.
Rusi su jos prosle i pretprosle godina s kim su god mogli dogovorili trgovinu u lokalnim valutama.Primaju i dolare ali ih ne zadrzavaju vec ih pretvaraju u zlato.
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Veoma malo ljudi razume ono što Putin trenutno radi, a skoro niko ne razume šta će on uraditi u budućnosti.

Koliko god to bilo čudno, Putin trenutno prodaje rusku naftu i gas isključivo za zlato.

Naravno, Putin se time ne hvali širom sveta. On još uvek prihvata američke dolare kao posredni način plaćanja, ali ih momentalno menja u zlato.

Da bi se ovo razumelo, dovoljno je da se baci pogled na dinamiku rasta zlatnih rezervi u Rusiji i da se taj podatak uporedi sa zaradama na inostranoj razmeni od prodaje nafte i gasa.

Kupovina zlata u Rusiji je u trećoj četvrtini ove godine oborila sve rekorde, pri čemu je kupljeno gotovo 55 tona zlata! To je više nego što poseduju sve centralne banke u svim državama sveta zajedno!

Od ukupne kupovine zlata svih centralnih banaka, što je oko 93 tone zlata, Rusija je kupila više od pola.

Ne tako davno, britanski naučnici su uspešno došli do zaključka da Evropa neće moći da preživi bez energije koja dolazi iz Rusije.

Tako se zapadni svet, koji je izgrađen na hegemoniji petrodolara, našao u katastrofalnoj situaciji. Rusija je sada spremna da proda naftu i gas Zapadu, ali samo u zamenu za zlato.

Pošto Rusija poseduje konstantan priliv dolara od prodaje nafte i gasa, biće moguće da se ovi dolari zamene za zlato po trenutnim cenama koje, po svemu sudeći, obara Zapad. Na taj način se izjednačava cena zlata koju federalci i ESF veštački spuštaju kroz manipulaciju tržišta.

Interesantna činjenica: Obaranje cene zlata od strane specijalnog odeljenja vlade SAD – ESF-a (Fond za stabilizaciju razmene) – sa ciljem stabilizacije dolara je postalo zakon u SAD.

U finansijskom svetu je (opšte) prihvaćeno da je zlato anti-dolar i obrnuto. Vrednost zlata je inverzna vrednosti dolara.

Predsednik Ričard Nikson je 1971. godine zatvorio „zlatni prozor“, okončavajući slobodnu razmenu dolara za zlato, koju je Breton Vuds zagarantovao 1944. godine.

Ruski predsednik Vladimir Putin je 2014. godine ponovo otvorio „zlatni prozor“ ne pitajući Vašington za dozvolu.

Trenutno Zapad radi sve što je u njegovoj moći da suzbije cene zlata i nafte. S jedne strane čini to zbog rasta američkog dolara, a sa druge strane, da uništi rusku ekonomiju koja odbija ulogu poslušnog vazala prema Zapadu.

Izvor
http://webtribune.rs/gospodar-saha-putinova-zlatna-zamka/#

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