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JF 17 MARK II
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Poslao: 06 Jul 2010 09:31
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Khaless ::Leonardo ::Ostaje da se vidi da li ce razviti svoj motor ili ce i dalje koristiti RD-33. Kada bi smo mi kupili taj avion saradnja sa Rusima bi bila neizbezna, cak pozeljna. Mada se ne bi bavio tom idejom.
Russia blocks sale of engines for Sino-Pak fighter jets
Citat:Moscow, July 5 (PTI)
Russia has blocked the sale of 100 RD-93 engines to China for FC-1, the joint Sino-Pak fighter, which could emerge as a rival for its MiG-29 fighter in the global markets, according to a report today.
"The new contract with China for the sale of 100 RD-93 engines has not been signed," Kommersant reported quoting its sources in the military-industrial complex.
The deal for the supply of second batch of 100 RD-93 manufactured by Moscow-based Chernyshev Machine building Plant for FC-1 (Pakistani version JF-17) was to be signed with China back in May, however, CEO of RAC MiG and Sukhoi Aircraft Holding Mikhail Pogosyan has torpedoed it, Kommersant business daily reported.
"One of the sources confirmed that Pogosyan has virtually blocked the deal with China by writing to the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) and Rosoboronexport (ROE) state arms exporter that FC-1 is a direct rival of Russian MiG-29 fighters in several foreign markets," the daily writes noting that Russian and Chinese fighters are in the race for an Egyptian contract.
"I am not against the re-export of individual technologies, but it should be done in agreement with the producers of finished-product, so that this re-export does not damage their interests," Pogosyan told Kommersant.
"Re-export is allowed by the government decision and we don't have a practice of consulting producers of finished products.
Under the inter-governmental bilateral agreement in November 2007 China was allowed to re-export RD-93 as part of FC-1 fighter to Egypt, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia and Algeria," press service of state arms exporting monopoly ROE was quoted as saying by the daily.
The Kommersant reminds that Chernyshev Plant a part of United Engine Corporation has supplied 100 RD-93 engines to China under the USD 238 million deal signed in 2005. A framework agreement for the sale of 500 such engines for the Sino-Pak joint fighter was also signed at that time and Beijing was ready to buy up to 1,000 engines in over USD 3 billion, if Russia agreed to offer its modernised version with greater thrust.
Nadaju RD-33. Ali kad bi smo mi kupili FC-1 gotovo sigurno bi smo ga dobili, a posebno kao uz te motore kupimo konačno onih 150 BTR-90 transportera od Rusije, IH!
mislis rusi nas vole, pa ce napraviti izuzetak? 
kad ce kineski motor stici, nemamo pojma. ja bih ipak isao na sigurno i uzeo mirage2000c. za air policing odlican, relativno jeftin i moguce ga je nadograditi na visok nivo, kakav jf17 tesko da moze da dostigne. nesto sumnjam u kineski stelt... sve ove price mi deluju kao dobar marketing - kinezi ce prvo sebi da naprave stelt, pa tek onda drugima. posto je stelt za avione u kineskom rv dosta daleko i za sada je na nivou photoshop projekata, tek ce ga jf17 dobiti ko zna kad.
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Poslao: 06 Jul 2010 11:06
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Zemlju koja godisnje iskoluje milione inzenjera, koja u razvoj ulaze najvise na svetu (ako se to meri u porcijama hrane) i koja ocigledno ima najveci industrijski potencijal ne treba nikako podceniti. WS-13 je vec u proizvodnji (nulta serija) a jedan je vec ugradjen u JF-17 radi finalnog testiranja i podesavanja.
Sto se tice stelta, niko o tome nije ni govorio. Govori se o razvoju verzija JF-17 koja ce imati vise kompozita i r.a.materijala.
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Poslao: 06 Jul 2010 12:42
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ja pod steltom podrazumevam smanjenje rad.odraza.
ne "brine" mene tih milion inzenjera koje iskoluju kinezi, vec oni koji se skoluju u inostranstvu. bojim se da su kinezi uprkos svemu jos uvek na "reverse engineeringu".
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Poslao: 06 Jul 2010 13:41
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Pojavili se novi globalni igraći, Kina, Indija, Brazil... Sad sve zavisi ko će s kime. Za Indijce se zna zbog Pakistana se naginju Rusiji i to bi morala Rusija prepoznati da se nebi slučajno desilo pa da počinju Indijanci kupovati Amerićke ili Francuske avione.
Rusi nebi smeli propustiti i šansu, da se više povežu sa državama latinske Amerika pa kud puklo puklo. Jer mogli bi umesto njih uskočiti Kinezi. Nikako Rusi nebi smeli prodajati tehnologiju Kinezima.
Trebali bi se u budučnosti iskristalizovati budući jaki gospodarski savezi u vezi kupnje oružja.
1. SAD, Kanada, Izrael, Japan, Australija, J. Koreja, Taiwan, Singapur, Tajland..., Meksiko, Čile i neke druge male države latinske Amerike, Saudska Arabija, UAE, Irak, Kuvajt...
2. Rusija, Indija, Venecuela i neke druge manje države latinske Amerike, Egipat, Alžir i neke Afrićke države, te neke države bliskog istoka
3. Kina, Pakistan, Bangladeš, Iran, neke Afrićke države i pokoja država latinske Amerike...
4. Europa koja će trgovati uglavnom sama između sebe te nešto malo sa SAD i Brazilijom te još pokojom državom ali sa manjim buđetom.
Nepoznanica je Turska, Brazil i Argentina, ko će s njima najviše trgovati, tek će da se vidi.
Srbija nikako nebi smela kupovati Kinesko naoružanje! Prirodni saveznici su slavenske države samo se moraju opametiti posebice Poljska. Dok bi trebala Evropa konačno odustati od SAD i više surađivati sa Rusijom te zajedno trgovati po celoj latinskoj Americi, bliskom Istoku, te pojedinim voljnim Azijskim državama.
Da je Evropa zajedno razvijala stelth vazduhoplov tipa F-35 sa Rusima već bi bio odavno u funkciji i to za upola manju cenu! Amerikanaca se treba što prije otarasiti da bi Evropa mogla slobodno da diše i razvija se.
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Poslao: 06 Jul 2010 14:51
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kripo ::JF 17 MARK II
Fantaziraju internet klinci, ne razumem zasto se svaki photoshop ovde postuje kao da je nesta zvanicno... 
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Poslao: 06 Jul 2010 15:30
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mareCar ::Fantaziraju internet klinci, ne razumem zasto se svaki photoshop ovde postuje kao da je nesta zvanicno...
Jeste ali sta ces kad ti PS avioni cesto deluju bolje i lepse od originala (barem meni). Kamo srece da je T-50 na kraju vise licio na jedan od ona dva predloga (govoreci iskljucivo o izgledu, tu se ogranicavam, ne ulazim u nista vise). Sto jest jest, Kinezi prednjace sa raznoraznim Rusko-Americko-Evro kombinacijama (sklepaju od svega po malo pa sta ispadne). Samo se njima nikad ne zna sta muljace, ne bi me cudilo da na mnogo cemu experimentisu i da onda samo u jednom momentu nesto od toga izbace u seriji.
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Poslao: 06 Jul 2010 15:34
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Nije PS nego je uradjeno u Lightwave-u, Maya ili Cinema 4 programima.
Inace i ja se slazem da neki od tih ljudi imaju vise dobre volje i ljubavi prema avionima i da bi dobro dosli biroima koji nastoje da ih naprave.
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Poslao: 06 Jul 2010 15:37
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sebab ::Khaless ::Leonardo ::Ostaje da se vidi da li ce razviti svoj motor ili ce i dalje koristiti RD-33. Kada bi smo mi kupili taj avion saradnja sa Rusima bi bila neizbezna, cak pozeljna. Mada se ne bi bavio tom idejom.
Russia blocks sale of engines for Sino-Pak fighter jets
Citat:Moscow, July 5 (PTI)
Russia has blocked the sale of 100 RD-93 engines to China for FC-1, the joint Sino-Pak fighter, which could emerge as a rival for its MiG-29 fighter in the global markets, according to a report today.
"The new contract with China for the sale of 100 RD-93 engines has not been signed," Kommersant reported quoting its sources in the military-industrial complex.
The deal for the supply of second batch of 100 RD-93 manufactured by Moscow-based Chernyshev Machine building Plant for FC-1 (Pakistani version JF-17) was to be signed with China back in May, however, CEO of RAC MiG and Sukhoi Aircraft Holding Mikhail Pogosyan has torpedoed it, Kommersant business daily reported.
"One of the sources confirmed that Pogosyan has virtually blocked the deal with China by writing to the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) and Rosoboronexport (ROE) state arms exporter that FC-1 is a direct rival of Russian MiG-29 fighters in several foreign markets," the daily writes noting that Russian and Chinese fighters are in the race for an Egyptian contract.
"I am not against the re-export of individual technologies, but it should be done in agreement with the producers of finished-product, so that this re-export does not damage their interests," Pogosyan told Kommersant.
"Re-export is allowed by the government decision and we don't have a practice of consulting producers of finished products.
Under the inter-governmental bilateral agreement in November 2007 China was allowed to re-export RD-93 as part of FC-1 fighter to Egypt, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia and Algeria," press service of state arms exporting monopoly ROE was quoted as saying by the daily.
The Kommersant reminds that Chernyshev Plant a part of United Engine Corporation has supplied 100 RD-93 engines to China under the USD 238 million deal signed in 2005. A framework agreement for the sale of 500 such engines for the Sino-Pak joint fighter was also signed at that time and Beijing was ready to buy up to 1,000 engines in over USD 3 billion, if Russia agreed to offer its modernised version with greater thrust.
Nadaju RD-33. Ali kad bi smo mi kupili FC-1 gotovo sigurno bi smo ga dobili, a posebno kao uz te motore kupimo konačno onih 150 BTR-90 transportera od Rusije, IH!
mislis rusi nas vole, pa ce napraviti izuzetak?
kad ce kineski motor stici, nemamo pojma. ja bih ipak isao na sigurno i uzeo mirage2000c. za air policing odlican, relativno jeftin i moguce ga je nadograditi na visok nivo, kakav jf17 tesko da moze da dostigne. nesto sumnjam u kineski stelt... sve ove price mi deluju kao dobar marketing - kinezi ce prvo sebi da naprave stelt, pa tek onda drugima. posto je stelt za avione u kineskom rv dosta daleko i za sada je na nivou photoshop projekata, tek ce ga jf17 dobiti ko zna kad.
Ja pričam o kupovini "Juga" a ti kažeš "Treba ići na sigurno i kupiti Audi A4"
Misli....
Cela poenta je u rentabilnosti kupovine. Napravili bi izuzetan. Ako si pročitao članak rusi koliko sam ja razjmeo će ODOBRAVATI svaku prodaju- zavisi kojoj zemlji bi se prodavali FC-1
Sada, pošto smo im dali aerodrom u Nišu, i pošto treba da konačno kupimo one BTR-90, naravno da bi dali za NAŠE FC-1 svoje motore, radare i opremu.
To je stvar trgovine- Samo FC-1 - ne može, ali ako uzmem ovo i ovo, onda može. Tu je kako rekoh samo stvar pijačne pogodbe.
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