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Indijci u Francuskoj na obuci
IAF crew flies to France for Rafale training
Citat:A fighter pilot, an engineer and four technicians form the first batch of a hand-picked crew that will train on the Rafale jets as the IAF prepares the ground for inducting the first lot of its new planes from September 2019.
A six-member Indian Air Force crew is on its way to France to train on Rafale fighter planes, amid politics over the controversial Rs 59,000-crore deal showing no signs of dying down in the country.

A fighter pilot, an engineer and four technicians form the first batch of a hand-picked crew that will train on the Rafale jets as the IAF prepares the ground for inducting the first lot of its new planes from September 2019, two persons familiar with the development said. The crew, which left for France on Sunday, will be trained at the Saint-Dizier air base in eastern France.

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Poor Health of HAL Led to Collapse of Rafale Deal Under UPA Nirmala Sitharaman
Citat:The negotiations for procurement of 126 Rafale jets under the UPA government fell through as state-run HAL did not have the required capability to produce the jets in India in collaboration with French company Dassault Aviation, Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman said Thursday.

Sitharaman also said that an unprecedented intervention in 2013 by then Defence Minister A K Antony when the cost negotiation committee was giving final touches to the deal put the final nail in the coffin.

After rounds of negotiations with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), Dassault Aviation felt that the cost of the Rafale jets will escalate significantly if they were to be produced in India, she said during an interaction with PTI editors and reporters at the agency's headquarters here.

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Citat: IAF Deputy Chief Air Marshal Nambiar has just completed a front-seat sortie in a Rafale at the Istres air base in France. As reported, this was a Rafale testbed aircraft sporting India-specific software & system enhancements.
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Hollande fuels Rafale fighter jet controversy in India
Citat:Former French president Francois Hollande on Friday fuelled the controversy over India's multi-billion dollar purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets in 2016, reportedly saying France was given "no choice" on the Indian partner for manufacturer Dassault.
His comments stoked debate on a subject which has gained significant traction in India in recent weeks, since the opposition Congress party accused Prime Minister Narendra Modi of favouring private conglomerate Reliance Group over a public company in the aircraft deal.
India's opposition party alleges Modi gave preferential treatment to industrialist Anil Ambani, the billionaire chairman of Reliance Group, to the detriment of state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

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Citat:MoD issues statement in response to Hollande’s Rafale bombshell
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India's Modi faces calls for resignation over French jet deal
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HAL may have lost Rafale as its man-hour bid was 2.57x Dassault's: Supriyo
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Citat:Indian Minister Babul Supriyo said that Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) didn't get Rafale co-production deal because it quoted 257 man-hours to do a job Dassault did in 100.

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New Delhi bought 36 Rafales as “emergency” buy
Citat:Air Chief Marshall BS Dhanoa describes the 2016 decision to obtain the 36 aircraft as an “emergency buy” to shore up India’s falling number of fighter squadrons. The nation has 33 combat squadrons against an authorised strength of 42.5
“The MMRCA had reached an impasse due to irreconcilable differences between Dassault and Hindustan Aeronautics with respect to additional man hours to be used by HAL in production of Rafale, the cost increase thereof, and higher non-recurring costs for new production facilities.”
Also at issue in the 126 fighter acquisition was which party, HAL or Dassault, would be responsible for jets produced by HAL under licence. Dassault was named the main contender for the requirement in 2012 after a long-running competition among leading fighter types.
Original MMRCA plans called for 18 aircraft to be produced in France, and 108 by HAL.

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Citat:MBDA proposes to shift final assembly of ASRAAM missile & set up final assembly line for Mistral missiles as part of its offsets for Rafale Deal
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Citat: Defence minister Sitharaman at the Rafale line in France. That’s an airframe for the Indian Air Force.
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Napisano: 13 Okt 2018 14:19

Po pisanju indijskih ŠTAMPANIH medija (batalite ono što piše na netu) izgleda da će prva žrtva Trampovih pretnji sankcijama Indiji zbog nabavki S-400 biti američka vazduhoplovna industrija ali i švedska. Kako sada stvari stoje, gotovo izvesno, otpadaju američki avioni F-16 i F-18 ali i švedski Gripen (koji mnogo zavisi od američkih komponentni). Indusi ne žele da ih Ameri ucenjuju isporukama zbog toga što im se nešto ne sviđa u indijskoj politici. Inače prilično proamerička indijska vlada je, zbog neodgovornog ponašanja SAD, donela odluku da koliko god je moguće izbegne uzimanje licenci od američkih kompanija, kad je reč o odbrambenoj industriji, da bi na minimum smanjila mogućnost ucena.
Tako, zahvaljujući Trampu, u igri ostaju samo Rafal i Mig-35, pri čemu Rafal sa cenom od 210 miliona evrića po komadu koliko košta ovih 36 Rafal ne dolazi u obzir. Da bi on bio usvojen cena mora da bude ispod 120 miliona evrića.

Dopuna: 13 Okt 2018 14:45

Dakle, kako sada stvari stoje ako Rafal bude mogao da se proizvodi u Indiji po ceni do 120 miliona evra po komadu i Francuzi pristanu da ustupe tehnologiju za AESA radare i Rafalove motore, gotovo izvesno biće nebavljen Rafal ako ne gotovo sigurno Mig-35. Premda neki njihovi komentatori misle da će možda biti nabavljena oba aviona. Jer zbog visoke cene Rafala njih ne mogu da nabave u većoj količini - maksimalno 120 do 130 a to je nedovoljno.
Stipice pre nego što se javiš sa svojim komentarima o negativnom mišljenju o Migu 29 u indijskom vazduhoplovstvu pročitaj ovo:
In the report “Airpower at 18,000 feet: IAF in the Kargil War” published by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in 2012, Benjamin Lambeth explains in detail how the IAF ground down both the Pakistan Army and the PAF: “Throughout the campaign, whenever IAF reconnaissance or ground attack operations were under way in the immediate combat zone, Western Air Command ensured that MiG-29s or other air-to-air fighters were also airborne on combat air patrol stations over the ground fighting on India’s side of the LoC to provide top cover against any attempt by the PAF to enter the fray in a ground attack role. PAF F-16s to the west typically maintained a safe distance of 10 to 20 miles on the Pakistani side of the LoC, although they occasionally approached as close as 8 miles away from the ongoing ground engagements.”
Lambeth quotes Air Marshal (retired) Vinod Patney, the then head of Western Air Command: “I think my insistence to mount CAPs across the (command’s entire area of responsibility) at different heights and times to give the message that I was ready and angling for an enlarged conflict helped. It was akin to throwing a glove, but it was not picked up.”
Although IAF fighters never joined in aerial combat with the PAF F-16s due to the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government’s strict injunction that Indian forces not cross the LoC, years later IAF chief Anil Tipnis recalled he had “personally authorised his escorting fighter pilots to chase any Pakistani aircraft back across the LoC in hot pursuit were those pilots to be engaged by enemy fighters in aerial combat”.
Cela knjižica na http://carnegieendowment.org/2012/09/20/airpower-a.....l-war/dvc4

Dopuna: 13 Okt 2018 14:54

Inače gospodin Bendžamin Lambet se nikako ne može smatrati pro ruskim fanom. On je i jedini, u Americi, objavio knjigu o agresiji na Srbiju 1999. godine: Benjamin Lambeth, NATO's Air War for Kosovo. Dakle, nikako se ne može smtarati da navija za ruske avione.

Dopuna: 13 Okt 2018 15:05

Da zaključim Stipice ne polemišeš samnom o Migu-29 u indijskom RV nego sa čovekom koji je:
In 2008, Dr. Lambeth was appointed by the Secretary of Defense to serve an eight-year term as a member of the Board of Visitors of Air University, which he completed in 2016. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Air Force Association, the U.S. Naval Institute, the Association of Naval Aviation, the Red River Valley Fighter Pilots Association, and the Editorial Advisory Boards of Air and Space Power Journal and Strategic Studies Quarterly. He is the author of The Transformation of American Air Power (Cornell University Press, 2000), which won the Air Force Association’s Gill Robb Wilson Award for Arts and Letters in 2001. He also wrote Russia’s Air Power in Crisis (Smithsonian Institution Press, 1999); NATO’s Air War for Kosovo (RAND, 2001); Mastering the Ultimate High Ground: Next Steps in the Military Uses of Space (RAND, 2003); Air Power Against Terror: America’s Conduct of Operation Enduring Freedom (RAND, 2005); Air Operations in Israel’s War Against Hezbollah (RAND, 2011); and The Unseen War:Allied Air Power and the Takedown of Saddam Hussein (Naval Institute Press, 2013).
Kao što vidimo veliki ruski fan.

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