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jazbar ::E jesu prevaranti ti amerikanci. Pridržavali su se ugovora START dok je bila Rusija jaća sad kad su Rusi sve smanjili amerikanci odustali i postigli prevlast.
Руси су много гори преваранти. САД је дала огромне паре да се униште ракете Сатана ови уништли две три затсареле,а остале упштекали у Сибиру,а после неколоко година на сцену се појављује Топоље М,где су Амери тели да се убију,а уље на ватру приказивање повећег броја Сатана
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Registruj se da bi učestvovao u diskusiji. Registrovanim korisnicima se NE prikazuju reklame unutar poruka.
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Poslao: 15 Jan 2012 12:00
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Narode tema je Kh-90 raketa. Vidim da nismo nasli tekst (ako zanemarimo sajt alternativna istorija) gde se pominje lansiranje Kh-90 tokom vezbe Bezbednost 2004 (zahvaljujem se na objasnjenju Polemarchoi )
Berkut je nasao tekst u vezi doticne vezbe koliko mi deluje u pitanju je mornarica.
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Руси су много гори преваранти@Berkut47
E berkute, sada si me razočarao.
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Poslao: 16 Jan 2012 02:51
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Ranxerox ::Руси су много гори преваранти@Berkut47
E berkute, sada si me razočarao.
Реално причано амерички буџет су осиромашили за око 5 милијарди $ како би уништили Стану,а уствари је лепо уштекали,а паре прецили на развој Топол М и прудужење века Сатани па види које је већ преварант.
Затим продаја мотора са ЈАК 141 узели паре америма,видели су да је папрано скупо и уништили цео пројекат Ф35 односно скочила му је цена на нерзумних 120-150милиона$ по ккомаду зависно од верзије,а Б верзију су потпуно упропастили. Тако су им нанели више штете него Кинези скидањем поврљивих фајлова у тежини од 20 требајта.
Амери се зајебавају на свој рачун или наушкрп неког споразума,да га потипуши и не поштоју као и Руси,али нисам чуо да је америка овако неког насамарила једном,а каомо ли више пута.
Је су они имали такозвани програм "Рат звезда" који је докосурио СССР,али је он још 26.04. 1986 године почео да се распада,затим терет Афганистанског рата....
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Чисто сумњам да Руси седе скрштених руку и да чекају да амери направе њихову суперсоничну КР, трка у наоружању је увелико почела, а као што си рекао реј ово је можда наставак пројекта из '70тих само мало модернизован.
Остаје велико питање да ли је реч о модернизацији или пак новом програму?
Верујем да ћемо и то сазнати током времена, а до тада, остају нам само нагађања..
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Poslao: 09 Feb 2012 17:24
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Pa sad da li je raketa na `stend baju` ili je definitivno zavrsila karijeru znaju samo Rusi .
Mene interesuje da li ova raketa ima vezu sa projektom rakete H-45 ?
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Evo jedan text gde se pominje i kao BL
Citat:Type: Air -to- Surface, supersonic winged cruise missile
Year: 1991
Range (km): 3000
Weight (kg): 2000
Lenght (m): 12 x 6
Speed (m/sec): 5 Mach
Weight of warhead: 2 x 200 kt nuclear
The P-750 Grom supersonic winged cruise missile with a range of 3000-4000 km was developed for to replace the Kh-55 [AS-15 KENT]. The AS-X-19 Koala was an air-launched land-attack version derived from the SS-NX-24 Scorpion submarine-launched missile. A pair of AS-19 missiles was expected to arm the Tu-142 Bear-H bomber.
The missile carried two warheads independently guided to hit two targets 100 km apart. The letters BL in its American designation refer to the firing range in Barnaul, where it was tested; its Russian industrial index designation is not known.
Jos jedan citat
Citat:Within the limits of activities on creation of cruise missiles of long range simultaneously with activities on Kh-55 in activities participated Corp. "Mechanical engineering" (were OKB-52, created by V.N.Chelomeem). As well as first project Rainbow Design B., project Corp "Mechanical engineering" assumed creation of a base design which at corresponding modification would be capable to meet requirements both overland basing, and marine basing, and basing by airplanes-rocket carriers (activity for both organisations has been set simultaneously and one PSM the USSR).
Project Corp "Mechanical engineering" differed higher characteristics. It was a large airplane-shell with the swept collapsible wing, equipped mid-flight direct flow engine with the built-in accelerating unit. The declared speed was equaled 3000 km / h, a ceiling of 24000 m and range to 5000 km. The air version of an airplane-shell has received designation ЗМ25А "Meteorite". As an airplane-carrier it was supposed to use modified Tu-95MS on which on wing pylons it was planned to place from 2 to 4 "Meteorites". Accordingly under new suspensions the control system of preparation and start-up of rockets should be finished, elements of a land complex etc. are finished In addition to external suspensions "Meteorites", not falling outside the limits the stipulated loadings, it would be possible to place in a freight compartment and other kinds of fighting loadings, including ARM, and also rockets of a class "air-air" that should improve stability a complex to air defence means.
In May, 1980 the first start-up from a land bench which has ended unsuccessfully has been made. Difficulties with development "Meteorite" have shifted the beginning of tests by an airplane-carrier for some years. For activities on a theme "Meteorite" serial has been allocated Ту-95МС ╧ 04, in January, 1983 this airplane has been converted. Airplane test and a complex were conducted within several years, there were practical start-up of "Meteorites" from an airplane side. Difficult enough complex demanded long developments and adaptations, and in the meantime its competitor with rockets Kh-55 already was under construction serially. Therefore soon all activities on "Meteorite", on the general background of decrease in defensive assignments and curtailing of variety of defensive programs have been terminated.
I kao BL-10 usko povezana sa Tu-160
Citat:"AS-X-19 `Koala' (Kh-90/BL10)
Type
Intermediate-range, air-launched, turbojet-powered, single-warhead
cruise missile.
Development
The existence of the AS-X-19 `Koala' had been reported by the US
Department of Defense (DoD) in 1986, but was confirmed by the Russians
in 1988, when the US Secretary of Defense was shown around a Tu-160
`Blackjack' bomber at an airbase near Moscow. The AS-X-19 was believed
to have the Russian designator Kh-90 or BL10, and was reported to be a
high-altitude supersonic cruise missile with air-launched, ship-launched
and ground-launched versions, developed from 1976 and believed to have
started flight trials in 1980. The AS-X-19 must therefore be considered
as equivalent to the US AGM-129 advanced cruise missile programme,
though probably several years behind. The programme was terminated in
1992, and it is reported that there were in excess of twenty flight
trials. It is believed that AS-X-19 was a dual design for the Russian
Air Force and Russian Navy, similar to the AS-15/SS-N-21 programme, with
the SS-NX-24 `Scorpion' (P-750 Grom) variant to be launched from
submarines. The AS-X-19 was expected to be cleared for carriage by Tu-95
`Bear-H' and Tu-160 `Blackjack' aircraft although it was reported that
the Tu-95 could only carry two missiles. It is believed that Raduga NPO
used the AS-X-19 design as a hypersonic test vehicle, known as GELA, and
this has been used for research since 1994. In 1998, it was reported
that the AS-X-19, or a lower cost variant, had been redesigned and might
still be put into production for the Russian Air Force.
Description
From reports in 1996, it appears that the AS-X-19 had two delta canard
foreplanes at the nose, delta fins and tailplanes at the rear body and a
long pointed slender nose. It is believed that the AS-X-19 was 10.5 m
long, had a body diameter of 1.2 m and a wing span of 4.5 m. The larger
delta-wings fold for aircraft carriage, and there was a vertical folding
tail fin. The missile weight was 2,800 kg, and it was ramjet powered.
The ramjet inlet was circular with a conical centrebody, and then a long
slender nose section was shaped from the upper half of the body.
Conventional flight control elevators and rudders were mounted on the
wings and fin. It is believed that the AS-X-19 could cruise at altitudes
between 7 and 20 km at M4.5, and then made a steep dive onto the target.
Unconfirmed reports suggest that the missile had two independently
targeted warheads, capable of attacking separate targets 100 km apart.
It is assumed that these warheads were to have been nuclear, but that
any redesigned missile would have an HE warhead. The maximum range of
AS-X-19 is reported to have been 3,000 km.
Operational status
The AS-X-19 was in development and some 20 or more flight tests had been
made by1992, when Russia indicated that the programme would be
terminated. There are, however, indications that this AS-X-19 design has
been retained, with the GELA hypersonic research vehicle, and that
smaller missiles with turbojet or ramjet engines are being developed as
possible lower cost replacements.
Izgleda da je ovoj raketi svojevremeno presudilo ratifikovanje cuvenog sporazuma CFE potpisanog u Parizu 1990g valjda .
Malo politika ,malo sporazumi i ponajvise propast SSSR su kumovali tome da se ova sjajna raketa ne nadje u naoruzanju tada ADD ( Avijacije daljnjeg dejstva ).
Skice raketa H-90 GELA i H-80 (3M-25A Meteorit -A)

[Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]
Po wiki opet ( sto je vrlo moguce ) imamo dakle projekte strateskih hipernadzvucnih krilatih raketa H-80 (Meteorit -A tj. AS-X-19` Koala` )
[Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]
Te raketu H-90 GELA ( AS-X-21 )
[Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]
Jedan ruski link o projektu ove rakete
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Ajaks, hiperzvučna višenamenska letelica
Koncept principijelno nove hiperzvučne letelice je pokrenut krajem 80-tih godina prošlog veka od strane Vladimira Ljvoviča Frajštata, koji je radio u naučno-istraživačkom centru za hiperzvučne sisteme kompanije Lenjinec. On je predložio veoma radikalno rešenje: - hiperzvučnu letelicu ne treba oblagati termoizolacionim materijalom, već sasvim suprotno, toploti treba dozvoliti da uđe u letelicu kako bi se povećala energetska korisnost letelice. Prema toj unikalnoj koncepciji je razrađena hiperzvučna letelica (HL) AJAKS, koji predstavlja otvoren, neizolovan aerotermodinamički sistem, u kojem na svim etapama atmosferskog leta deo kinetičke energije vazdušne struje oko HL aparata se apsorbuje pomoću ugrađenih podsistema u letelici, čime se povećava njen energetski resurs i pri tome kinetička energija se pretvara u toplotnu i hemijsku energiju. Time se rešavao glavni zadatak hlađenja zmaja letelice i mnogo drugih problema.
AJAKS je stvoren kao direktan odgovor ana američke planove stvaranja HL izviđača AURORA, a kasnije je konvertovan u HL globalnog doleta ili prvi stepen za slanje korisnog tereta u orbitu.
HL kao gorivo koristi ugljovodonike (kerozin ili tečni metan) i vodu. Da bi se iskoristila toplota u dvostrukom omotaču ajaksa smešten je termohemijski reaktor, u kojem se , nakon faze ubrzavanja i aerodinamičkog zagrevanja omotača dodaje ugljovodonično gorivo. Ono se koristi kao „endotermičko“ gorivo – ono upija toplotu i smanjuje termičko naprezanje omotača. Sa druge strane, pod dejstvom temperature, pritiska i uz pomoć katalizatora, smesa goriva sa vodom se razlaže na olefin i slobodni vodonik Ovakva smesa bogata vodonikom ulazi u magnetno-plazmeno-hemijski motor, koji je ujedno i magnetohidrodinamički (MHD) generator, hiperzvučni ramdžet motor, a ako se nalazi iza komore sagorevanja, može da bude i MHD akcelerator. MHD generator usporava struju vazduha do optimalne brzine, igra ulogu kompresora. Ovako usporen i prethodmo jonizovan mlaz vazduha dospeva u komoru sagorevanja u koju se ubacuje ugljovodonično gorivo (kerozin ili metan)obogaćeno vodonikom. Produkti sagorevanja koji napuštaju komoru sagorevanja upadaju u mlaznicu dodatno se ubrazavaju MHD akceleratorom i šireći se, izlaze van. Za ubrzavanje mlaza i jonizaciju vazduha – tj, stvaranje hladne plazme, koristi se električna energija, koju stvara mhd generator. To omogućava da HL letelica ima veću brzinu za 10-30% i pri tome se dobija čitav niz drugih pogodnosti. Plazmeni omotač oko uvodnika vazduha hiperzvučnog ramdžet motora povećava njegov efektivni prečnik čak do reda veličine stotinu metara, plazmeni oblak koji se stvara ispred aparata strahovito smanjuje otpor vazduha, a oko krila, povećava njihovu efektivnu površinu i reguliše uzgonu silu. Za jonizaciju vazduha može se koristi laser ili izvor neutrona.
Tako leteći u atmosferi Ajaks može da pretvara kinetičku energiju mlaza vazduha u široki spektar različitih vidova energije i da zahvaljujući tome koristi svoj moćni energetski kompleks snage 100megavata za najrazličitije zadatke globalnog karaktera. Na bazi ajaksa razvijena je familija HL NEVA za атмосферски i orbitalni transport korisnog tereta i putnika.
Revolucionarna koncepcija AJAKSA ima visokii stepen noviteta i nosi sa sobon visok nivo tehničkog rizika. 1993 godine ekspertska komisija, sastavljena od najeminentnijih stručnjaka izjavila je da koncept letelice AJAKS, ne protivreči pri sadašnjem nivou razvoja nauke i tehnologije.
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Bi li moglo makar malo pojašnje rečenice:
Za jonizaciju vazduha koristi se laser ili izvor neutrona.
Ovaj drugi deo bi me posebno zanimao, kao mehanizam.
A i za prvi i drugi deo, šta su enegetski izvori takvih lasera ili tog neutroskog topa šta li je već?
Uzgred el može samo malo detaljnije kako MHD generator stvara toliku elektirčnu enrgiju kojim procesom ?
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