Nova raketa - R-37 (AA-13 "Arrow")

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Ruski stručnjaci usvajaju u naoružanje novu raketu izuzetno velikog dometa klase vazduh-vazduh za napružanje lovaca Su-35BM, PAK FA i MiG-31 BM.
Mase 600 kg od čeg 60kg za BG dobeta 150 km bez i 398 km sa doadtnim odbacivim busterom
Reč je o naslednici R-33 (AA-9).

Citat:The Russian Air Force is testing and will soon deploy an advanced tactical air-to-air missile that will greatly enhance its operational effectiveness, the service's commander Col Gen Alexander Zelin said on Tuesday.

The missile will be carried by MiG-31BM Foxhound supersonic interceptors/fighters and will subsequently be used by other warplanes, he said.

The weapon is “currently in trial at an Air Force test site,” Zelin said.

Zelin did not identify the missile but experts believe it could be the K-37M, also known as RVV-BD, or AA-X-13 Arrow as it is known to NATO.

The K-37M is a long-range air-to-air missile developed specifically for the MiG-31BM interceptor.

“A likely candidate is the Vympel (now part of TRV) K-37M long-range air-to-air missile. This is a successor to the R-33 (Nato codename AA-9 Amos) which was developed originally for the MiG-31 during the early 1970s,” said Douglas Barrie, an air warfare expert at the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies.

Work on the K-37 program began during the 1980s, but funding problems delayed its completion, he added. The design has also been further developed since its original conception.

The K-prefix denotes a weapon in development while the M indicates a modification. An export variant of the weapon, known as RVV-BD, was shown at MAKS 2011. The BD suffix may stand for the Russian words bolshoi dalnost, or long range.

“The K-37M - it will likely be known as the R-37M when it enters service - will be the primary air-to-air armament of the MiG-31BM, providing the Russian air force with an extended range interception capability against combat aircraft and cruise missiles,” Barrie said.

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Dakle, ovo je sada zvanicno ime RVV-BD? Ili je neka druga raketa? Svaka cast Rusima ali znaju da zbunjuju sa svojom "tajnovitoscu".

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Dobra tematika kolega , ta raketa zasluzuje paznju posto eto konacno nakon niza godina polako ali sigurno postaje operativna u VVS. Mozda je to trebalo napisati u temi koja vec postoji a tice se raketa klase V-V ali dobro .

Medjutim moram da te ispravim u vezi tih podataka o samom dometu pomenute rakete.Naime ta raketa RVV-BD ( Raketa Vozduh Vozduh -Bolsoje Daljnosti ) ,oznacise je jos i sa K/R-37M ( mada mi to malo cudna oznaka s obzirom da je R-37 ipak drugacija, njene slike i podaci o njoj imamo na temi MiG-31 ) ,ima po nekim navodima domet od svega 200km . Zasto pisem svega ?

Za raketu R-37 ( razvijena tokom 80-tih za potrebe naoruzavanja MiG-31M ) se navodio domet od cak 280 km .MiG-31M je nosio 6 tih raketa ispod trupa i gadjao 6 vazdusnih ciljeva istovremeno do pomenute daljine.Sada imamo slucaj da ce BM nositi 4 RVV -BD i gadjati 4 cilja istovremeno do 200 km ??? Nazadak pre nego napredak .

Neki komentari vezani za raketu RVV- BD .

Citat:This is a truly unique product with intercept range to 200 kilometers. Analogs with these characteristics, I do not know any of the Europeans nor the Americans," - he said. It is expected that in 2011, TRW will release a test batch of missiles, and in 2012 will begin commercial production.

Citat:The 200-km RVV-BD air-to-air missile is completing development trials and offered for export use on the MiG-31 and Su-35.

http://zephyrnet.vnfawing.com/viewtopic.php?p=19114

E sad najvecu zabunu si uneo kada si napisao domet sa busterom od 398 ( znaci oko 400 km) .

Koliko mi je poznato raketa RVV-BD nema dodatni buster vec je u pitanju raketa KS-172S firme NPO Novator ( negde oznacena sa K-100 ili ( K )/ R-72 mada ovo R je zvanicna vojna oznaka ali njoj ni traga ni glasa u VVS ).

Ta raketa postize sa busterom domet od tih 400 km, bez njega nesto oko 300 km .

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%A1-172

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Citat:Za raketu R-37 ( razvijena tokom 80-tih za potrebe naoruzavanja MiG-31M ) se navodio domet od cak 280 km .MiG-31M je nosio 6 tih raketa ispod trupa i gadjao 6 vazdusnih ciljeva istovremeno do pomenute daljine.Sada imamo slucaj da ce BM nositi 4 RVV -BD i gadjati 4 cilja istovremeno do 200 km ??? Nazadak pre nego napredak

Jeste ali R-37 nije zavrsena i nije uvedena u naoruzanje. Neka RVV-BD dovedu do kraja i neka je uvedu u operativnu upotrebu.

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zixo ::Citat:Za raketu R-37 ( razvijena tokom 80-tih za potrebe naoruzavanja MiG-31M ) se navodio domet od cak 280 km .MiG-31M je nosio 6 tih raketa ispod trupa i gadjao 6 vazdusnih ciljeva istovremeno do pomenute daljine.Sada imamo slucaj da ce BM nositi 4 RVV -BD i gadjati 4 cilja istovremeno do 200 km ??? Nazadak pre nego napredak

Jeste ali R-37 nije zavrsena i nije uvedena u naoruzanje. Neka RVV-BD dovedu do kraja i neka je uvedu u operativnu upotrebu.

Sada se zove K-37 kako sam razumeo "K" je oznaka za prototip? To je ista raketa K-37 (R-37 kada je uvedu u operativnu upotrebu) i RVV-BD (BD- veliki domet).
"K" je oznaka za prototis a "R" za operativnu.
Kažu da se proizvodi i očekuje se uvodjenje u operativnu upotrebu u najskorije vreme.

Domet je sa dodatnim busterima 398 km- što je ogroman napredak.
Bojeva glava je 15 kg teža od R-33, brzina joj je 6 maha prema 4,5 kod R-33 (AA-9)

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zixo ::Citat:Za raketu R-37 ( razvijena tokom 80-tih za potrebe naoruzavanja MiG-31M ) se navodio domet od cak 280 km .MiG-31M je nosio 6 tih raketa ispod trupa i gadjao 6 vazdusnih ciljeva istovremeno do pomenute daljine.Sada imamo slucaj da ce BM nositi 4 RVV -BD i gadjati 4 cilja istovremeno do 200 km ??? Nazadak pre nego napredak

Jeste ali R-37 nije zavrsena i nije uvedena u naoruzanje. Neka RVV-BD dovedu do kraja i neka je uvedu u operativnu upotrebu.

Tako je .Samo sam napomenuo da je ta raketa sa svojim performansama ipak nazadak po pitanju dometa u odnosu na pominjanu R-37 sa MiG-31M.

@Khaless

Kolega jel imate mozda neki link ,izvor bilo sta gde se tvrdi da ce ova nova raketa RVV-BD ( iliti sada R-37M) imati ili ima buster sa kojim postize taj domet od 400 km ?

Ja sam pomenuo raketu K-100 ( KS-172) sto se tog dometa i bustera tice .

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pretpostavimo li da ce biti verzije s boosterom, koliko ce to produljiti/prosiriti raketu i kako bi to moglo utjecati na prostor koji ce ista uzeti pod trbuhom aviona?

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Eridan ::pretpostavimo li da ce biti verzije s boosterom, koliko ce to produljiti/prosiriti raketu i kako bi to moglo utjecati na prostor koji ce ista uzeti pod trbuhom aviona?

Ako bi i bila neka verzija sa busterom ( u sto sumnjam ) prostora nece biti .Raketa K-100 sa busterom je bila predvidjena za kacenje pod dva velika podkrilna nosaca.

Neznam odakle kolegi Khaless to da ce RVV -BD imati bustere .

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Napisano: 25 Jan 2012 15:42

Kolega Ray. . .

Citat:Za raketu R-37 ( razvijena tokom 80-tih za potrebe naoruzavanja MiG-31M ) se navodio domet od cak 280 km .MiG-31M je nosio 6 tih raketa ispod trupa i gadjao 6 vazdusnih ciljeva istovremeno do pomenute daljine.Sada imamo slucaj da ce BM nositi 4 RVV -BD i gadjati 4 cilja istovremeno do 200 km ??? Nazadak pre nego napredak

. . .mislim da je lako doci do zabune jer rusi imaju obicaj da to rade sa svojim oznakama. Ja mislim da RVV-BD nikako nije nazadak u odnosu na "staru" R-37, cak sta vise, mislim da je napredak sto se tice sistema navodjenja i digitalnog sistema upravljanja samom raketom, a moguce je da su primenjenja i neka bolja aerodinamicka resenja kao i povecanje otpornosti na elektronsko ometanje. Jedini hendikep ima u dometu, ali to je razumljivo jer je RVV-BD namenjena za izvoz sto su i proizvodjaci potvrdili.
Mig-31BM ce nositi rusku verziju RVV-BD koja ima domet od 280km (sve brosure i podaci reklamiraju taj domet), a ne ovu verziju od 200km i takodje ce biti u stanju da gadja 6 ciljeva istovremeno, samo sto ce druge dve rakete morati da budu R-77, jer moze da nosi "samo 4 velike rakete"
Dakle, tu ce se raditi o modernizovanoj izvedbi R-37 (iz koje je inace nastala RVV-BD samo sa smanjenim dometom)

Moguce je da nisam u pravu, ali sve navodi na takav zakljuck

Dopuna: 25 Jan 2012 15:50

http://russiadefence.englishboard.net/t1542p15-nor.....tary-craft

Evo jednog interesantnog foruma gde se pominje buster na R-37 raketi. I ja sam na vise mesta procitao da se razmatra i ta varijanta tako da je apsolutno opravdano to sto je kolega "Khaless" postavio.

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ray ban11 ::zixo ::Citat:Za raketu R-37 ( razvijena tokom 80-tih za potrebe naoruzavanja MiG-31M ) se navodio domet od cak 280 km .MiG-31M je nosio 6 tih raketa ispod trupa i gadjao 6 vazdusnih ciljeva istovremeno do pomenute daljine.Sada imamo slucaj da ce BM nositi 4 RVV -BD i gadjati 4 cilja istovremeno do 200 km ??? Nazadak pre nego napredak

Jeste ali R-37 nije zavrsena i nije uvedena u naoruzanje. Neka RVV-BD dovedu do kraja i neka je uvedu u operativnu upotrebu.

Tako je .Samo sam napomenuo da je ta raketa sa svojim performansama ipak nazadak po pitanju dometa u odnosu na pominjanu R-37 sa MiG-31M.

@Khaless

Kolega jel imate mozda neki link ,izvor bilo sta gde se tvrdi da ce ova nova raketa RVV-BD ( iliti sada R-37M) imati ili ima buster sa kojim postize taj domet od 400 km ?

Ja sam pomenuo raketu K-100 ( KS-172) sto se tog dometa i bustera tice .

http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Air-Launc.....ation.html

First seen in 1992, the R-37 (K-37, Izdeliye 610) was developed in the 1980s by the Vympel NPO as a future replacement for the R-33 (AA-9 'Amos') semi-active radar-guided missile. The missile was given the provisional NATO designator AA-X-13, and the codenames 'Arrow' and 'Andi' have been associated with it (but never confirmed). The R-37 is similar in size to the R-33, but has an active radar terminal seeker and a longer range. Designed in the early 1980s, the missile was first flown in 1989. Flight trials continued until around 1998, and it was presumed that the weapon would be carried by the MiG-31M 'Foxhound B' aircraft, which has carriage points under the fuselage for six R-37s. Unconfirmed reports suggest that a further version was proposed, as the R-37M, with a jettisonable rocket booster assembly increasing the range to between 300 and 400 km. Many test and development firings were conducted with the K-37 missile prototypes during the early 1990s. In more recent years Vympel sources have commented that work on the K-37/R-37 programme had ceased. Vympel cited the excessive cost of the missile and the small number of host platforms (MiG-31 'Foxhound') available for it as the main reasons for dropping its development. However, in late 2006 it emerged that the R-37 was under active development once again, as an integral element of the MiG-31BM 'Foxhound' upgrade programme. Russian sources have also identified the R-37 as the R-VD (Raketa-Velikaya Dalnost, very long range missile).In November 2006 a senior