Rat u Ukrajini-2022. godina, (Vesti, video, mape, fotografije)

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Zašto nije moguće uvođenje non fly zone u Ukrajini. Naravno samo ako bi krenuo sveopšti rat...
NATO avioni u susednim državama, koje ste pobrojali nemaju nikakve veze sa Ukrajinom.
Dakle ukoliko krene rat Rusi mogu da proglase vazdušni prostor Ukr i njihove teritorijalne vode za no go area, i ko god uđe tu biće uništen ili oboren. A znamo da NATO (to su i sami rekli) neće ulaziti u rat zbog Ukrajine.

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Biden’s Ukraine Problem
By THE EDITORS
January 24, 2022 12:22 PM
President Joe Biden holds a meeting with his national security team on the Russia-Ukraine crisis, at Camp David, in Maryland, January 22, 2022. (The White House/Handout via Reuters)
President Biden rounded out his first year in office inadvertently encouraging a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

His now-infamous comment that the Western response to an invasion would depend on whether “it’s a minor incursion” was remarkably, disturbingly candid, demonstrating that Washington and the West could well tolerate a limited Russian attack. Biden also said another unstated assumption out loud: that there’s no transatlantic unity on how to respond to the Russian military buildup. Effectively, he telegraphed to the Kremlin that the U.S. response to an invasion will only be as strong as what its most reticent ally will permit.

The president’s comments laid bare the fundamental problems with this administration’s handling of the situation in Eastern Europe so far. Washington is hesitant to do anything that might be interpreted in Moscow as an escalation. The White House is yielding to German economic interests over Ukraine’s interest in maintaining its independence. It’s taken a Model U.N., kid-glove approach to dealing with a kleptocratic thug who has shown a penchant for invading the democracies bordering Russia. And it has actively lobbied against measures — such as a Nord Stream 2 sanctions bill proposed by Senator Ted Cruz — that would bolster U.S. deterrence.

Biden ascended to the presidency pledging to support U.S. allies and partners. And, to his credit, the administration’s strongest performance throughout this crisis has been the marathon of meetings and calls U.S. officials have conducted with foreign counterparts. But even then, Biden’s “minor incursion” comment prompted an embarrassing, public backlash from Ukrainian officials, with President Volodymyr Zelensky criticizing it on Twitter. Beyond the social-media foibles rests a more important diplomatic fact: For everything Biden and others have said about supporting Ukraine, the president has yet to even nominate an ambassador to the country.

And the consequences of that lackluster approach were on full display last week. Even as U.S. diplomats met their Russian counterparts across a number of different forums in Geneva, Brussels, and Vienna, Moscow was surging forces to Russia’s border with Ukraine. As of now, Russia has the capability to quickly send forces into Ukraine from the north, east, and south of the country; there’s no doubting that Moscow would win any fight it picks decisively. Which is to say nothing of the possibility of a “minor incursion,” to which there’s likely not to be one unified Western response.

Antony Blinken and Sergei Lavrov concluded a round of talks on Friday, with the secretary of state saying he would reply in writing to Russia’s demands that NATO not permit any new members to join the alliance. They’re likely to hold another round in the near future. If Blinken deputy Wendy Sherman’s talks with Russian officials the previous week are any indication, any diplomatic compromise could result in new curbs on military exercises and missile placements.

As well as abandoning its belief that negotiations on Europe’s security architecture will lead Vladimir Putin to an off-ramp, the White House needs to dispense with the fiction that threatening tough U.S. sanctions in the event of an attack serves any sort of deterrent effect. That’s the approach that the administration and congressional Democrats are rallying behind, with a bill advancing such a policy on the way.

Meanwhile, the administration has been sending badly needed weaponry to the Ukrainians at a glacial pace. The White House just announced that it would deliver Mi-17 helicopters, marking the end of a months-long delay.

But the Ukrainians need more equipment, including Javelin anti-tank missiles and air-defense systems. And the administration should be complementing arms shipments with biting sanctions, starting immediately, not after Russia attacks.

The GUARD Act proposal put forward by congressional Republicans is a good alternative. That bill would immediately boost funding for transferring lethal weaponry to Ukraine, increase annual U.S. funding of Ukraine’s military forces, and impose sanctions to kill the Kremlin-backed Nord Stream 2 pipeline. Lawmakers should also revive another sanctions proposal that the administration successfully blocked from the annual defense bill — legislation targeting 35 oligarchs named by Putin antagonist Alexei Navalny.

Congress, however, can only get the president to do so much, and he’s shown no sign so far of rising to the challenge.

In more ways than one, Ukraine is already under attack. Russian forces occupy the East of the country, and Moscow recently demonstrated its ability to knock Ukrainian government websites offline. The worst may be yet to come.

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Bajden tu moze samo da pregazi svoje evropske drugare time sto ce da natera Ruse da ih ostave bez gasa i bez onog sto se korisri za proizvodnju djubriva a sto zavisi 70% EU od Belorusije. Eto tako ce on da pobedi Putina, tako sto ce da izazove smrzavanje Evrope. Ne zanosite se. Sto kaze covek vec prave haos svuda zbog kovida, samo im fali narod na ulici koji nema grejanje. Igranka je pocela, ali videcemo ko ce prvi da potegne i koliko ce da ide ozbiljno.

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Prvo će da dobiju upozorenje kao onaj britanski brod u obalnim vodama Krima par plutona iz AK ako se ogluše onde sledi raketiranje. Nema NATO kohones za napad da su hteli uradili bi to odavno tj da su mogli.

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Prevedite ono boldovano u tekstu koji sam postovao i biće jasnije do koje granice će da ide Biden.

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Ma ima Nato kohones da izazove carkanje, em se Rusi zamajavaju em prodaju naoruzanje i municiju glupim Ukr, em ce da ometaju Severni tok 2, em ce neko da kupi gas od USA.. ne idu skroz ozbiljno ali odrzavaju tenziju. A to sve najmanje odgovara Rusima. Da traje sukob da se trose resursi.
Ovo za djubrivo je neko napisao ovde pre mesec dana, i vec se oseca ovde poskupljenje hrane, gas je danas poskupeo 19% itd. Malo nabadanje je najverovatnije jer odrzava sukob aktivnim a niko ne ispada zena, tako da je to to po mom misljenju..

Ps. Mene vise brine opcija povecavanja broja pripadnika US Army u Evropi, pitam se koliko ce tu da zapadne u Bondstil. A da neko drzi npr 2000 padobranaca da ne rade nista u Bondstilu je idiotizam. Kako ce to da se odrazi na nas ovde... to je pitanje..

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A oko ove rečenice g.Bidena je bilo dosta polemike.

The U.S. president’s stray remark suggesting NATO powers might tolerate a “minor incursion” by Russia into Ukraine came the same day as the French president’s assertion that Europeans should negotiate their own version of a new security order with Moscow.

Jakob Hanke Vela, Matthew Karnitschnig, and Hans von der Burchard contributed reporting.

Svaki tekst na koji sam naišao sadrži dio u kojem se kaže; predstojeća invazija Ukrajine.....znači, oni su sigurni?

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Situacija sa Ukrajinom dovedena je do usijanja. NATO je stavio vojnike u stanje pripravnosti i šalje dodatne ratne brodove i avione kao odgovor na gomilanje ruskih trupa na ukrajinskim granicama. Moskva ponovo negira da planira napad na Ukrajinu i optužuje SAD i histeriju Zapada za eskalaciju tenzija. Evropska unija priprema nove, mnogo oštrije sankcije Rusiji, a Ukrajini šalje 1,2 milijarde evra pomoći.
https://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/10/svet/4.....kcije.html

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Nikakvi Nato efektivi nece preduzeti nista u slucaju rata izmedju Ukrajine i Rusije. Svi koji ce stradati u tom sukobu ce biti Ukrajinci i Rusi. Posljedice tog sukoba koje bi uslijedile snosila bi Evropa tj EU a to dalje vodi ka Njemackoj. Onda je jasno zasto su svabe rezervisane povodom najnovijih zaostravanja na "istocnom forntu".

U medjuvremenom Pentagon je "podigao na noge" jednu diviziju (8.500 hiljda ljudi) koja bi mogla da bude poslata u Evropu. Nije navedeno o kojoj jedinici se radi a niti koja je njena namjena, ali slutim da je klasicna pjesadija u pitanju. Dalje se navodi da bi u slucaju slanja u Evropu trebala biti pridruzena "NATO Response Force" a sve ukupno zajedno sa saveznicama " NATO Response Force" broji oko 40 000 ljudi. Bice zanimljivo pratiti gdje ce se rasporediti te snage. Sigurno je da ta vojska sigurno nece ici u susret Ruskoj armiji ona moze samo da zauzme neku zamisljenu liniju. Ne bi me iznenadilo da u slucaju otvorenog sukoba Ukrajine i Rusije budemo svijedoci trke do Kijeva. Ko ce prije stici? Rusi pod borbom ili NATO u marsevskom poretku i na kraju eto nam Istocne i Zapadne Ukrajine. Poznato jel da?

Nijemcima je itekako poznato. Trenutno vecina EU i Njemacka nisu zauzeli stranu u konfliktu koji nadolazi i to je glavni problem Amerike i Britanije. Vode se pregovori ko ce da sanira posljedice i stetu koja ostane posle ove zurke koju organizuju Ameri i Briti, i nadam se da nece doci do dogovora, iako se na drustvenim mrezama pocelo baratati sa stotinama miliona pomoci za Ukrajinu. Za sad mi je taj neopredjeljen stav vecine EU i Njemacke na celu najveca uzdanica da se nece dati zeleno svjetslo idiotskoj vladajucoj eliti Ukrajine da svoju zemlju i narod gurnu u propast....

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Ipak izgleda da je Rusija opet nadmudrila NATO sa jednom obicnom vijezbom. Toliko se ufurali zapadnjaci da Rusi dolaze a oni na treningu....