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Колико је НАТО лансирао противрадарских ралета а колико радара и радарских станица уништио за време агресије 1999.? И наравно колико је уништио РСтОН РС 2К12?


Koliko sam ja nasao ispalili su preko 743 HARM raketa. Koliko je meni poznato pogodjeno je 6 kubovskih nisanskih radara (od oko 25 koliko ih je bilo) i jedan osmatracki, ali od toga je unisteno mozda 2 ili 3. Mislim da je pogodjeno i 4-5 Nevinih radara. Ali kod Neve se ostecuje samo antena, dok kod kuba geleri prodiru i u unutrasnjost vozila i ostecuju elektroniku. Unistena su i 3 kubovksa lansera bombama.

Stos koji je koriscen sa Kubom jeste da prvo ispalis raketu pa onda ukljucujes radar. I time drzis zracenje na ispod 20 sekundi i uglavnom te ne pogode. Ali najcesce ne pogodis ni ti njih. Tu lezi prednost Buka. Ima radar sa faznom restkom koji se teze nisani HARM-om i brzu raketu. Ali Izraelski Spajder je opet dosta slican po ceni sa Bukom, a ima rakete sa aktivnim radarskim samonavodjenjem; gde mozes da iskljucis radar i pre nego sto raketa pogodi cilj.

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Vuco ::Cheff tako je i NATO razmišljao da smo indijanci koji će da ih gađaju kamenjem,pa su se opekli par puta,nismo mogli da vodimo ravnopravnu borbu ali smo mogli da ih nerviramo i da budemo levo smetalo,izdržali smo junački.


Da su oni mislili da smo mi toliki indijanci ne bi upotrebljavali toliko resursa za ucutkavanje PVO. Oni su ocekivali da Milosevic popusti za 2-3 dana (jer mu je takav bio manir). A on je popustio za 79 dana. Ziveli



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О чему онда причамо?

О ефикасности НАТО снага и ефикасности ПВО?

743 противрадарске ракете а погођено 12 радара систем Куб/Нева. Плус радари система ВОЈИН.



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zixo ::О чему онда причамо?

О ефикасности НАТО снага и ефикасности ПВО?

743 противрадарске ракете а погођено 12 радара систем Куб/Нева. Плус радари система ВОЈИН.


Vidi i mi smo isplaili podosta raketa, oni kazu oko 800, 477 Kubovskih, a imamo samo 2 olupine za prikazivanje. Nijednu od Kuba.

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj02/sum02/lambeth.html

Citat:Other Frustrations

The persistence of a credible SAM threat throughout the Kosovo air war meant that NATO had to dedicate a larger-than-usual number of strike sorties to the SEAD mission to ensure reasonable freedom to operate in enemy airspace. Thus, fewer sorties were available for NATO mission planners to allocate against enemy military and infrastructure targets- although the limited number of approved targets at any one time tended to minimize the practical effects of that consequence. Moreover, the Block 50 F-16CJ, which lacked the ability to carry the LANTIRN targeting pod, was never used for precision bombing at night because it could not self-designate targets.23

One of the biggest problems that confronted attacking NATO aircrews on defense-suppression missions was target location. Because of Kosovo’s mountainous terrain, the moving-target indicator and synthetic aperture radar aboard the E-8 joint surveillance, target attack radar system (JSTARS) aircraft could not detect targets masked from view at oblique look angles, although sensors carried by the U-2 and the EC-135 Rivet Joint often compensated for this shortfall. The cover provided to enemy air defense assets by the interspersed mountains and valleys became a severe, complicating factor. Mitigating that constraint somewhat, the limited surveillance range of JSTARS caused by interposed ridgelines restricted E-8 operations primarily with regard to Kosovo, which harbored only a limited SAM threat (only one of the five SA-6 regiments and no SA-2s or SA-3s). Most of the enemy IADS targets lay outside Kosovo. Moreover, the U-2 and Rivet Joint typically performed well and did not suffer the same problems that sometimes plagued the E-8.24

By the same token, the Yugoslav IADS’s extensive network of underground command sites, buried landlines, and mobile communications centers hampered the allied effort to attack that system’s internetted communications links. This internetting used fused radar input, which allowed the acquisition and tracking of NATO aircraft from the north, and subsequently fed the resulting surveillance data to air defense radars in the south. This enabled the southern sector operations center to cue defensive weapons (including shoulder-fired man-portable SAMs and AAA positions) at other locations in the country that had no active radar nearby. That may have accounted, at least in part, for why the F-16CJ and EA-6B often proved ineffective as SAM killers since both employed the HARM to home in on enemy radars that normally operated in proximity to SAM batteries.25 In all, well over half of the HARM shots taken by allied SEAD aircrews were preemptive targeting or so-called PET shots, with a substantial number of these occurring in the immediate area of Belgrade.26 Many HARM shots, however, were reactive rather than preplanned, made in response to transitory radar emissions as detected.27

Yugoslavia’s poorly developed road network outside urban areas also may have worked to the benefit of NATO attackers on more than a few occasions because the enemy’s SAM operators depended on road transportation for mobility, and towed AAA tended to bog down when it left prepared surfaces and moved into open terrain. NATO pilots, therefore, studiously avoided flying down roads and crossed them when necessary at 90-degree angles to minimize their exposure time. By remaining at least five kilometers from the nearest road, they often negated the AAA threat, albeit at the cost of making it harder to spot moving military vehicles.

Whenever available intelligence permitted, the preferred offensive tactic entailed destruction of enemy air defenses (DEAD) attacks aimed at achieving hard kills against enemy SAM sites using Block 40 F-16CGs and F-15Es carrying LGBs, cluster bombs, and the powered AGM-130, rather than merely suppressing SAM radar activity with F-16CJs and HARMs.28 For attempted DEAD attacks, F-16CGs and F-15Es would loiter on call near tankers orbiting over the Adriatic, rolling in on any pop-up SAM threats that might suddenly materialize.29 Also, the unpowered AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW), a near-precision glide weapon featuring inertial and Global Positioning System satellite guidance and employed by Navy F/A-18s, used its combined-effects submunitions to good effect on at least a few occasions against enemy acquisition-and-tracking radars.30

One problem with such DEAD attempts was that the data cycle time had to be short enough for attackers to catch the emitting radars before they moved on to new locations. One informed report observed that supporting F-16CJs were relatively ineffective in the reactive SEAD mode because the time required for them to detect an impending launch and get off a timely HARM shot to protect a striker invariably exceeded the flyout time of the SAM aimed at the targeted aircraft. As a result, whenever attacking fighters found themselves engaged by a SAM, they were pretty much on their own in defeating it. That suggested to at least some participating aircrews the value of having a few HARMs uploaded on selected aircraft in every strike package so that strikers could protect themselves as necessary without having to depend in every case on support from F-16CJs or EA-6Bs.31

The commander of the Marine EA-6B detachment at Aviano commented that allied SEAD assets had no single-solution tactic to employ against enemy systems: “If we try to jam an emitter in the south, there may be a northern one that can relay the information through a communications link and land line. They are fighting on their own turf and know where to hide.”32 He added that Serb SAM operators would periodically emit with their radars for 20 seconds and then shut down the radars to avoid swallowing a HARM.

In all, more than 800 SAMs reportedly fired at NATO aircraft, both manned and unmanned, over the course of the 78-day air war, including 477 SA-6s and 124 confirmed man-portable infrared missiles.33 A majority of the fixed SAMs were fired without any radar guidance. Despite that expenditure of assets, enemy fire downed only two NATO aircraft- the F-117 mentioned above and, later, an F-16- although another F-117 sustained light damage from a nearby SA-3 detonation and two A-10s were hit by enemy AAA fire but not downed.34 Also, in two reported cases short-range, infrared-guided missiles hit A-10s, one of the missiles apparently striking the bottom of the aircraft, defusing itself, and bouncing off harmlessly.35 US and NATO aircraft fired at least 743 HARMs against radars supporting these enemy SAMs.36 Yet, enough of the Serb IADS remained intact- mainly the persistent AAA and MANPADS threat- to require NATO fighters to operate above a 15,000-foot floor throughout most of the air effort. Although allied pilots could effectively counter the older SA-7 with flares if they saw it in time, the SA-9/13, SA-14, SA-16, and SA-18 presented a more formidable threat.


Doduse meni su pricali za KiM gde je situcija bila teza nego u ostatku SRJ-e.

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zixo ::О чему онда причамо?

О ефикасности НАТО снага и ефикасности ПВО?

743 противрадарске ракете а погођено 12 радара систем Куб/Нева. Плус радари система ВОЈИН.

Da , 62 HARMA za unistenje jednog radara . To nesto govori .

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Da , 62 HARMA za unistenje jednog radara . To nesto govori .


U stvari oko 350. Vecina od tih pogodjenih radara je popravljeno. Mada i mi smo ispalili taj red velicine raketa za svaki oboreni avion.

Neefikasnost NATO pakta nije upitna, a ni predmet diskusije. Pricamo o (ofanzivnoj) efikasnosti nasih sistema.

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Citat: Vidi i mi smo isplaili podosta raketa, oni kazu oko 800, 477 Kubovskih, a imamo samo 2 olupine za prikazivanje. Nijednu od Kuba.

Ма каквих 800 ракета од чега 477 РС 2К12. Погледај књигу тадашњег команданта РВ и ПВО генерала Смиљанића као и књигу ''Ваздушни рат над Србијом'' Димитријевић/Драганић. Није испаљено више од 150-200 ракета система Куб/Нева.

НАТО је пријавио 792 ракете свих типова али је то веома упитан податак.

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zixo ::Citat: Vidi i mi smo isplaili podosta raketa, oni kazu oko 800, 477 Kubovskih, a imamo samo 2 olupine za prikazivanje. Nijednu od Kuba.

Ма каквих 800 ракета од чега 477 РС 2К12. Погледај књигу тадашњег команданта РВ и ПВО генерала Смиљанића као и књигу ''Ваздушни рат над Србијом'' Димитријевић/Драганић. Није испаљено више од 150-200 ракета система Куб/Нева.

НАТО је пријавио 792 ракете свих типова али је то веома упитан податак.


Ja sam rekao ,,oni kazu". Kada bih ja imao tu knjigu, ja bih je sigurno pogledao.

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Набави те две књиге које сам споменуо и видећеш да није лансирано више од око 98 ракета Нева и око 50-100 ракета система Куб. (признајем причам на памет јер немам књиге при руци).

Али далеко је то од 477 ракета система Куб као и од 800 (792) ракета које спомиње НАТО.

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Meni se čini da je ovde problem što i da smo manje ispalili, čak i da smo oborili samo ta dva-tri aviona, a oni onoliko ispalili za taj mali broj uništenih radara, nas mnogo više muči to što ne možemo sebi da dođemo od onda po pitanju obnavljanja uništene opreme dok su oni natrpali ponovo svoje magacine i još par puta rasipali ponovo i dalje to rade. Mi sad nemamo da zatreba ništa više da ispalimo. Ono što se priča da je uspelo da uništi dosta krstarećih smo sami uništili da kao ne padne teroristima u ruke. Kao da nama magacini širom otvoreni stoje bez čuvanja.
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zixo ::Citat: Vidi i mi smo isplaili podosta raketa, oni kazu oko 800, 477 Kubovskih, a imamo samo 2 olupine za prikazivanje. Nijednu od Kuba.

Ма каквих 800 ракета од чега 477 РС 2К12. Погледај књигу тадашњег команданта РВ и ПВО генерала Смиљанића као и књигу ''Ваздушни рат над Србијом'' Димитријевић/Драганић. Није испаљено више од 150-200 ракета система Куб/Нева.

НАТО је пријавио 792 ракете свих типова али је то веома упитан податак.


jel se u tih 800 raketa racunaju i protivgradne? Laughing

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