Iz nekih ukrajinskih izvora, a koje prenosi CNN, citajuci izmedju redova jer ukri vezu svoju pricu o teskim Ruskim gubicima i evakuaciji, da se naslutiti pojacana Ruska aktivnost u reonu Melitopolj - Vasiljevka. Bolnice se prazne od ranjenika, ukri javljaju pojacane pokrete trupa i kazu da ih u reonu Melitopolj - Vasiljevka sad ima nekoliko desetina hiljada.
Citat:New Russian military bases had also been set up, he claimed, noting there were now "tens of thousands of Russian manpower in the territory of Melitopol."
Ako su tacne, ove informacije mogu da budu predznak nekih vecih desavanja na ovom pravcu u skorije vrijeme.
Izgleda da se odigrao jos jedan napad u stilu "Pobesneli Taras", ovaj put kod Soledara u reziji 24-te brigade. Napali su sa nekolika bataljona pesadije uz podrsku tenkovske cete. Doziveli su katastrofalne gubitke prema Evgeniju Lisicinu, koji je dosada vazio za apsolutno pouzdan izvor na tom pravcu. On tvrdi da su Ukrajinci izgubili 9 tenkova, 10 BMP-ova, do 300 200-ih i 600 ranjenih. Na videu se vidi vrlo malo od toga (ni jedan tenk), tako da se nadam da je ovo samo tizer.
▪У рејону Бахмут (Артемовски) јединице 53. омбре Оружаних снага Украјине покушале су да изврше контранапад у рејону Опитног, док је 5. одвојени јуришни пук Оружаних снага Украјине сличан покушај покушао у близини. оф Маиорск.
Оба напада су одбиле руске трупе.
▪На Соледарском сектору фронта настављају се позиционе борбе у околини Спорног.
▪Артиљерија Оружаних снага РФ погодила је непријатељско упориште у Торецку, уништивши најмање 5 бораца Оружаних снага Украјине.
🔻Луганска Народна Република:
▪Украјинске формације су из МЛРС ХИМАРС-а гађале Старобилск, Хороши и Сватово, наневши штету цивилној инфраструктури.
🔻 Доњецк правац:
▪Украјински војници су током дана интензивно гранатирали Доњецк: најмање 3 цивила су убијена у граду, још неколико људи је повређено.
▪Увече су Оружане снаге Украјине напале складиште нафте у Шахтјорску, избио је пожар на објекту.
▪Услед гранатирања Горловке оштећена је контактна мрежа, а рад електротранспорта је привремено обустављен.
🔻Запорожје правац:
Оружане снаге Русије извеле су неколико ракетних удара на фабрику Запорожтрансформатор у Запорожју, где се производи опрема неопходна за стабилизацију украјинског енергетског система.
▪Оружане снаге Украјине су заузврат пуцале на цивилну инфраструктуру у граду Токмоку.
🔻Јужни фронт: Херсонски правац
▪На овом сектору фронта се настављају артиљеријски дуели: Оружане снаге РФ су радиле на циљевима у Херсону, Качкаровки, Золотој Балки, Дњепровском, Дарјевки и Никољском.
kairos ::...On tvrdi da su Ukrajinci izgubili 9 tenkova, 10 BMP-ova, do 300 200-ih i 600 ranjenih...
Osim ako nisu napadali trceci preko polja i vicuci Uraaa! (malo verovatno...) ovaj nivo gubitaka tehnike, sve i da je tacan, nikako ne ide uz taj broj ljudskih gubitaka. Ceo BMP sa desantom i posadom je 10 ljudi, tenk je 3 coveka. A jako, jako retko ginu bas svi.
Da kaze 30 mrtvih i 60 ranjenih pa da mu i poverujemo ako su bas, bas upali u gadnu zasedu.
Članak vezano za probleme oko snabdijevanja municijom. Od toga da ni sada ne mogu da garantuju proizvođačima dugoročne ugovore, da bi uložili u povećanu proizvodnju. Do ograničenja trenutnih kapaciteta uz potrošnje koja je:
Citat: Ukraine has changed that assumption. During intense fighting in the eastern Donbas region this summer, Russia used more ammunition in two days than the British military has in stock. Under Ukrainian rates of artillery consumption, British stockpiles might last a week and the UK’s European allies are in no better position, according to a report by the Royal United Services Institute think-tank in London.
Citat:This lack of certainty holds on both sides of the Atlantic, say corporate executives. Saab, the Swedish defence and aerospace company which makes NLAWs and Gripen fighter jets, says it has been in talks with several governments about new orders but progress on signing contracts has been slow.
“When it comes to order intake directly connected to Ukraine . . . very little has really emerged or happened,” said Saab’s chief executive Micael Johansson. “I am sure it will come . . . but the contracting procedures are still quite slow.”
Naravno, na kraju moraju spomenuti da je kod Rusa mnogo gori nedostatak.
+ Čitav članak na engMilitary briefing: Ukraine war exposes ‘hard reality’ of west’s weapons capacity
Steff Chávez, John Paul Rathbone, Sylvia Pfeifer
6–8 minutes
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Nearly 10 months into Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the allies that have backed Kyiv’s war effort are increasingly concerned by the struggle to increase ammunition production as the conflict chews through their stockpiles.
At stake is not only the west’s ability to continue supplying Ukraine with the weapons it needs but also allies’ capacity to show adversaries such as China that they have an industrial base that can produce sufficient weaponry to mount a credible defence against possible attack.
“Ukraine has focused us . . . on what really matters,” William LaPlante, the Pentagon’s chief weapons buyer, told a recent conference at George Mason University. “What matters is production. Production really matters.”
After sending more than $40bn of military support to Ukraine, mostly from existing stocks, Nato members’ defence ministries are discovering that dormant weapons production lines cannot be switched on overnight. Increasing capacity requires investment which, in turn, depends on securing long-term production contracts.
The US has sent about a third of its stock of Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine and a third of its stockpile of anti-aircraft Stinger missiles. But it has little prospect of being able to replace these quickly. “There’s no question that . . . [supplying Ukraine] has put pressure on our defence industrial base,” Colin Kahl, US under-secretary of defence for policy, said last month.
The UK has turned to a third party, which it has declined to identify, to restock its depleted stores of NLAW anti-tank missiles. “There are some really hard realities that we have been forced to learn,” James Heappey, armed forces minister, said in October.
Weapons stocks in many European countries are even skimpier. When France sent six Caesar self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine in October, it could only do so by diverting a Danish order for the high-tech artillery.
There are two main reasons western nations are struggling to source fresh military supplies, said defence officials and corporate executives.
The first is structural. Since the end of the cold war, these countries have reaped a peace dividend by slashing military spending, downsizing defence industries and moving to lean, “just-in-time” production and low inventories of equipment such as munitions. That is because combating insurgents and terrorists did not require the same kind of heavy weaponry needed in high-intensity land conflicts.
Ukraine has changed that assumption. During intense fighting in the eastern Donbas region this summer, Russia used more ammunition in two days than the British military has in stock. Under Ukrainian rates of artillery consumption, British stockpiles might last a week and the UK’s European allies are in no better position, according to a report by the Royal United Services Institute think-tank in London.
“The west has a problem with constrained defence industrial capacity,” said Mick Ryan, a former major general in the Australian army. “A major industrial expansion programme will be required if the nations of the west are to rebuild the capacity to design, produce and stockpile . . . large quantities of munitions.”
The second factor is bureaucracy. Governments say they are committed to bigger defence budgets. Yet, amid so much economic uncertainty, they have been slow to write the multiyear procurement contracts that defence groups need to accelerate production.
“It’s a corporate finance problem,” said a senior European defence official. “No company wants to invest in a second factory line to boost production without long-term, contractual certainty. Will Russia still be a threat in five years and, if it’s not, will governments still be buying arms from the companies then?”
This lack of certainty holds on both sides of the Atlantic, say corporate executives. Saab, the Swedish defence and aerospace company which makes NLAWs and Gripen fighter jets, says it has been in talks with several governments about new orders but progress on signing contracts has been slow.
“When it comes to order intake directly connected to Ukraine . . . very little has really emerged or happened,” said Saab’s chief executive Micael Johansson. “I am sure it will come . . . but the contracting procedures are still quite slow.”
Britain’s BAE Systems also says it is “in talks” with the UK government about ramping up output of a number of munitions, while US defence companies have similar complaints about the lack of a clear “demand signal” from Washington.
“They are in a situation of ‘show me the money’,” said Mark Cancian, senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “What they [the defence companies] are worried about is that they will expand capacity, then the war will end and the defence department will cut the contracts.”
Kathy Warden, chief executive of Northrop Grumman, said the Pentagon’s procurement procedures — which give a “very choppy demand signal” to build up stockpiles but only after a conflict rapidly depletes them — are not a model that is “going to make sense” if the aim is sustained investment in production.
Some defence manufacturers are already producing at full capacity, with shifts running 24 hours a day.
“When we have a clear understanding of what the demand signal is going to be . . . we are willing to fund expansion of capacity,” said Frank St John, chief operating officer of Lockheed Martin, which makes Himar artillery rocket systems and Javelins.
Western officials say supplying Ukraine has not jeopardised their own countries’ military readiness, while Russian military shortages are far worse. Moscow is having to source weapons such as artillery shells and drones from North Korea and Iran.
Yet, while there is a near-consensus across Nato, especially its European members, on the need to bulk up their militaries and defence industries, companies can only proceed once they have more contractual certainty.
“Contracts matter. Money . . . matters,” said the Pentagon’s LaPlante. “Once [defence companies] see that we’re going to put money [into orders] . . . they’ll get it, that’s their job.”
Additional reporting by Felicia Schwartz in Washington
Kaže oko trisot dvestih dakle dvesta (200) je valjda oznaka za ubijene nedavno slušam razgovor dvoice ukra preko motorole i sad pitaj jedan za gubitke i ovaj kaže dva dvesotih i 6 trisotih.
Dakle 200 je oznaka za ubijene dok je 300 za ranjene.
danijell ::+ NATO ostaje bez municijeČlanak vezano za probleme oko snabdijevanja municijom. Od toga da ni sada ne mogu da garantuju proizvođačima dugoročne ugovore, da bi uložili u povećajnu proizvodnju. Do ograničenja trenutnih kapaciteta uz potrošnje koja je:
Citat: Ukraine has changed that assumption. During intense fighting in the eastern Donbas region this summer, Russia used more ammunition in two days than the British military has in stock. Under Ukrainian rates of artillery consumption, British stockpiles might last a week and the UK’s European allies are in no better position, according to a report by the Royal United Services Institute think-tank in London.
Citat:This lack of certainty holds on both sides of the Atlantic, say corporate executives. Saab, the Swedish defence and aerospace company which makes NLAWs and Gripen fighter jets, says it has been in talks with several governments about new orders but progress on signing contracts has been slow.
“When it comes to order intake directly connected to Ukraine . . . very little has really emerged or happened,” said Saab’s chief executive Micael Johansson. “I am sure it will come . . . but the contracting procedures are still quite slow.”
Naravno, na kraju moraju spomenuti da je kod Rusa mnogo gori nedostatak.
+ Čitav članak na engMilitary briefing: Ukraine war exposes ‘hard reality’ of west’s weapons capacity
Steff Chávez, John Paul Rathbone, Sylvia Pfeifer
6–8 minutes
Receive free War in Ukraine updates
Nearly 10 months into Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the allies that have backed Kyiv’s war effort are increasingly concerned by the struggle to increase ammunition production as the conflict chews through their stockpiles.
At stake is not only the west’s ability to continue supplying Ukraine with the weapons it needs but also allies’ capacity to show adversaries such as China that they have an industrial base that can produce sufficient weaponry to mount a credible defence against possible attack.
“Ukraine has focused us . . . on what really matters,” William LaPlante, the Pentagon’s chief weapons buyer, told a recent conference at George Mason University. “What matters is production. Production really matters.”
After sending more than $40bn of military support to Ukraine, mostly from existing stocks, Nato members’ defence ministries are discovering that dormant weapons production lines cannot be switched on overnight. Increasing capacity requires investment which, in turn, depends on securing long-term production contracts.
The US has sent about a third of its stock of Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine and a third of its stockpile of anti-aircraft Stinger missiles. But it has little prospect of being able to replace these quickly. “There’s no question that . . . [supplying Ukraine] has put pressure on our defence industrial base,” Colin Kahl, US under-secretary of defence for policy, said last month.
The UK has turned to a third party, which it has declined to identify, to restock its depleted stores of NLAW anti-tank missiles. “There are some really hard realities that we have been forced to learn,” James Heappey, armed forces minister, said in October.
Weapons stocks in many European countries are even skimpier. When France sent six Caesar self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine in October, it could only do so by diverting a Danish order for the high-tech artillery.
There are two main reasons western nations are struggling to source fresh military supplies, said defence officials and corporate executives.
The first is structural. Since the end of the cold war, these countries have reaped a peace dividend by slashing military spending, downsizing defence industries and moving to lean, “just-in-time” production and low inventories of equipment such as munitions. That is because combating insurgents and terrorists did not require the same kind of heavy weaponry needed in high-intensity land conflicts.
Ukraine has changed that assumption. During intense fighting in the eastern Donbas region this summer, Russia used more ammunition in two days than the British military has in stock. Under Ukrainian rates of artillery consumption, British stockpiles might last a week and the UK’s European allies are in no better position, according to a report by the Royal United Services Institute think-tank in London.
“The west has a problem with constrained defence industrial capacity,” said Mick Ryan, a former major general in the Australian army. “A major industrial expansion programme will be required if the nations of the west are to rebuild the capacity to design, produce and stockpile . . . large quantities of munitions.”
The second factor is bureaucracy. Governments say they are committed to bigger defence budgets. Yet, amid so much economic uncertainty, they have been slow to write the multiyear procurement contracts that defence groups need to accelerate production.
“It’s a corporate finance problem,” said a senior European defence official. “No company wants to invest in a second factory line to boost production without long-term, contractual certainty. Will Russia still be a threat in five years and, if it’s not, will governments still be buying arms from the companies then?”
This lack of certainty holds on both sides of the Atlantic, say corporate executives. Saab, the Swedish defence and aerospace company which makes NLAWs and Gripen fighter jets, says it has been in talks with several governments about new orders but progress on signing contracts has been slow.
“When it comes to order intake directly connected to Ukraine . . . very little has really emerged or happened,” said Saab’s chief executive Micael Johansson. “I am sure it will come . . . but the contracting procedures are still quite slow.”
Britain’s BAE Systems also says it is “in talks” with the UK government about ramping up output of a number of munitions, while US defence companies have similar complaints about the lack of a clear “demand signal” from Washington.
“They are in a situation of ‘show me the money’,” said Mark Cancian, senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “What they [the defence companies] are worried about is that they will expand capacity, then the war will end and the defence department will cut the contracts.”
Kathy Warden, chief executive of Northrop Grumman, said the Pentagon’s procurement procedures — which give a “very choppy demand signal” to build up stockpiles but only after a conflict rapidly depletes them — are not a model that is “going to make sense” if the aim is sustained investment in production.
Some defence manufacturers are already producing at full capacity, with shifts running 24 hours a day.
“When we have a clear understanding of what the demand signal is going to be . . . we are willing to fund expansion of capacity,” said Frank St John, chief operating officer of Lockheed Martin, which makes Himar artillery rocket systems and Javelins.
Western officials say supplying Ukraine has not jeopardised their own countries’ military readiness, while Russian military shortages are far worse. Moscow is having to source weapons such as artillery shells and drones from North Korea and Iran.
Yet, while there is a near-consensus across Nato, especially its European members, on the need to bulk up their militaries and defence industries, companies can only proceed once they have more contractual certainty.
“Contracts matter. Money . . . matters,” said the Pentagon’s LaPlante. “Once [defence companies] see that we’re going to put money [into orders] . . . they’ll get it, that’s their job.”
Additional reporting by Felicia Schwartz in Washington
E, ako ostaju bez municije, onda im je bolje da motaju kablove i privode ovo kraju
bojank ::Osim ako nisu napadali trceci preko polja i vicuci Uraaa! (malo verovatno...) ovaj nivo gubitaka tehnike, sve i da je tacan, nikako ne ide uz taj broj ljudskih gubitaka. Ceo BMP sa desantom i posadom je 10 ljudi, tenk je 3 coveka. A jako, jako retko ginu bas svi.
Da kaze 30 mrtvih i 60 ranjenih pa da mu i poverujemo ako su bas, bas upali u gadnu zasedu.
Citat:24 бригада ВСУ предприняла попытку прорыва в городе — наступали несколькими батальонами пехоты при поддержке танковой роты.
Тяжелый бой велся несколько часов.
По итогу у противника несколько сотен убитых и раненных.
Наша разведка полка знала, что возможен прорыв, поэтому дали врагу возможность подойти.
ВСУ достигнули рубежа установки минного шлагбаума. Однако, подвергшись огневому воздействию противотанковых батальонов, отошли на исходные позиции.
I meni je to zvucalo kao epohalna bitka, ali nemamo potvrde za to. Zato sam i napisao tako.
Dakle, nema videa, nije se dogodilo?
A vidi ovo, iz bloga (dnevnika) ukrajinskog PVO-snika (Strela), vodi covek blog od pocetka rata, sve sa fotkama (bio i ranjen).
Citat:28 августа 2022 (дневник за период с 22 июня по 23 августа)
Только появилась возможность зайти в интернет.
За это время много чего было...
... Был марш двух танковых рот и зенитного ракетного взвода.
... Был приказ с ходу идти на помощь роте теробороны и сводному отряду пограничников, дабы выбить российские войска из одного из сел, в районе моста через реку.
... Был первый подрыв на мине одного из танков
... Было быстрое вхождение в село танков без поддержки пехоты, которая забыла начать наступать.
... Был постоянный миномётный и артиллерийский обстрел от которого некуда было скрыться, выбивание танков из промзоны, было попадание какой-то ракетой в танк, от чего машину прогнуло словно миску.
... Был налёт двух российских Ка-52 на малых высотах и были пуски ракет с наших "Стрела-10". Один вертолёт подбили над селом, а второй дымя ушёл к своим.
... А потом был налет уже авиации и расстрел кассетными бомбами пехоты, вооруженной только автоматами и пулемётами, в открытом поле. Человек сто - сто двадцать там осталось лежать.
... Был черный дым от двенадцати горящих танков и приказ прорываться из села и перегрупироватся за три километра от села.
... Была дозаправка и повторный налет российской авиации, был опять артобстрел и было лежание по каналам вдоль полей. И была гибель "безлошадных" танкистов, которым в отличии от нас, зенитчиков, не выдали бронежилеты и каски.
... Были осколочные ранения у двух бойцов моего взвода и был рикошет осколка от дерева, и смертельное попадание между лопаток куска мины оператору-наводчику третьей машины.
... Под вечер был приказ уходить, оставив убитых и неисправные машины. На месте разгрома осталось 14 танков, большинство их экипажей и одна из моих "Стрел".
... Потом, утром, в селе, где находился штаб, мы прямо с марша зашли в сельпо, и продавщица, не смотря на запрет продавать алкоголь военнослужащим, увидев что-то в наших лицах, выставила на прилавок водку и не взяла за это денег. Водку мы пили прямо в магазине, но она нас не брала.
... А после обеда был приказ ехать забирать тела и пригодные машины.
... И был полный КрАЗовский прицеп тел в черных комбинезонах, где-то целых, где-то без определённых кусков организма. Три танка и мою "Стрелу" удалось вывезти.
... А потом вместо отдыха, через день был приказ двум оставшимся зениткам ехать на передовую у Сиверского Донца и прикрывать пехоту, не дающую россиянам навести переправы.
Jel' smo tako nesto videli na videu? To se po njemu dogodilo na S. Doncu
Мислим да је ово кључни зајеб у анализи многих овде. Оно што видимо на сликама и видеима је само један део онога што се догађа. Који део? Не можемо ни да претпоставимо. Зато све анализе "ко побеђује" на основу слика и видеа падају у воду. Па ево, имали смо пре пар дана одликовања у Русији за десант на Бердјанск на почетку сукоба, за који нисмо знали ни да се десио. Ко зна шта се све издогођало а да ни не знамо за то.
Koji monstrumi mati mila.
Ni u filmu nisam vidio da te strpaju u tenk ili oklopno vozilo i zavare da ne mozes izaci. Citat:Руски извиђачи су рекли дописнику РИА Новости да су на фронту срели украјинске тенкове са завареним поклопцима.
„Насилно су од њих направили бомбаше самоубице“, рекао је обавештајац.
Према његовим речима, многе од ових посада не изводе борбена дејства, окрећу куполу уназад и возе ка руским положајима, након чега их извлаче руски техничари.
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