MMRCA za IAF

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Vlad000 ::....... The Rafale is likely to be pegged around $85 million apiece.

..........., and the MiG35 a relatively modest $45 million – though, given problems with its engine, the overall life-cycle costs of the Russian jet may not have been much lower than its U.S. competitors."

Sad da li je to samo novinarsko naklapanje ili ne, vidićemo uskoro.

Izvor:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article1983674.ece?homepage=true

Ova cena je podnošljiva, ali komentar o ruskim motorima, mi baš nije jasan

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imaju lose iskustvo sa rd33 sa mig29. valjda ona narodna - koga zmija ujede i gustera se boji ili tako nekako. noviji motori su bolji, ali je pitanje da li su na nivou novijih zapadnih. raspravljali smo o ovome dosta...

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Vlad000 ::Zanimljiv dio teksta o cjenama iz indijskih novina:
"The Eurofighter is likely to charge some $125 million apiece, which means the initial purchase of 126 jets will cost India $15.75 billion, and a likely final order of around 200 aircraft, $20 billion. The Rafale is likely to be pegged around $85 million apiece.

Though the Grippen would have cost around the same as the Rafale, the F-16IN and FA-18 would have come at around $60 million each, and the MiG35 a relatively modest $45 million – though, given problems with its engine, the overall life-cycle costs of the Russian jet may not have been much lower than its U.S. competitors."

Sad da li je to samo novinarsko naklapanje ili ne, vidićemo uskoro.

Izvor:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article1983674.ece?homepage=true


Dopuna: 04 Maj 2011 12:31

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Nema bas mnogo logike sam tekst. Ispada da ne valja RD-33MK iako ga imaju u MiG-29K/KUB, a remontovani MiG-29 su dovedeni na slican nivo (valjda RD-33 serija 3). Takodje Indija radi sama remont RD-33 ako su tacni njihovi forumi.

MiG-35 je otpao pre svega zbog veceg radarskog odraza i nemogucnosti da leti nadzvucno bez forsaza.

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mean_machine ::Vlad000 ::Zanimljiv dio teksta o cjenama iz indijskih novina:
"The Eurofighter is likely to charge some $125 million apiece, which means the initial purchase of 126 jets will cost India $15.75 billion, and a likely final order of around 200 aircraft, $20 billion. The Rafale is likely to be pegged around $85 million apiece.

Though the Grippen would have cost around the same as the Rafale, the F-16IN and FA-18 would have come at around $60 million each, and the MiG35 a relatively modest $45 million – though, given problems with its engine, the overall life-cycle costs of the Russian jet may not have been much lower than its U.S. competitors."

Sad da li je to samo novinarsko naklapanje ili ne, vidićemo uskoro.

Izvor:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article1983674.ece?homepage=true


Шта је ту чудно права цена грипена НГ ће бити још веће јер то је сам за Индиски тендер који је Богами повелик,а за земље са мањим серијама цена ће бити још већа.

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mean_machine ::Vlad000 ::Zanimljiv dio teksta o cjenama iz indijskih novina:
"The Eurofighter is likely to charge some $125 million apiece, which means the initial purchase of 126 jets will cost India $15.75 billion, and a likely final order of around 200 aircraft, $20 billion. The Rafale is likely to be pegged around $85 million apiece.

Though the Grippen would have cost around the same as the Rafale, the F-16IN and FA-18 would have come at around $60 million each, and the MiG35 a relatively modest $45 million – though, given problems with its engine, the overall life-cycle costs of the Russian jet may not have been much lower than its U.S. competitors."

Sad da li je to samo novinarsko naklapanje ili ne, vidićemo uskoro.

Izvor:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article1983674.ece?homepage=true



Sta to, pa pogledaj nastavak recenice Opet gledaju cene na wiki ili novinar place sto nisu izabrali americki avion

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Kod cena aviona treba biti oprezan da li je u pitanju proizvodna cena aviona ili su uracunali R&D i rezervne delove. Na kraju postavlja se pitanje da li ce cena biti ista kada pocnu da ih sklapaju u Indiji, jer ce to zahtevati odredjena ulaganja i period uhodavanja itd...

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Ma tekst je tesko frljanje sa cenama. Eurofighter kao oko 125 a Rafal 85. Al kad bi se zezali. A tek cene za Amerikance. Ako racuna sve u cenu Eurofightera zasto ne racuna i za ostale ? I dalje mi nije jasno za koga ovaj navija. Rafal ili place za Amerima.

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Citat:But the administration of President George W. Bush made the argument that such grants would help Pakistan meet its “legitimate defence needs” – and claimed, more disingenuously, that the aircraft (F-16) would be used for close air support in the war against jihadists.
Jedna američka cvetka. A Indijci su trebali to da progutaju.
Isto tako neznam kako bi Ameri dozvolili čeprkati po avionu, komunikacije sa ostalima i....težko.

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Ma koga briga za cene ja tek sad vidim pikanterije sa testiranja

Citat:The IAF's Request for Proposals brought into contention the European multinational Eurofighter consortium's Typhoon, the French-made Dassault Rafale, the Swedish Grippen, the Russian MiG35, and the United States' F16IN and FA18.

Each aircraft had distinct advantages: though it has a slow top speed compared with the Eurofighter Typhoon, the F-16IN or the MiG 35, the Grippen had a better sustained turn capability; the Rafale did not manoeuvre well at high speed, but demonstrated outstanding instantaneous turn rates; the Lockheed Martin-produced F16IN and its Boeing rival, the FA18, had the best radar.

Nadalje od ovog pasusa je navijanje za Tajfuna. Kao piloti su za njega, jedini ima superkstarenje, svidja im se man-machine interfejs( which presents data streams from dozens of on-board and off-board sensors on a single screen) . Ja sam pomislio na direct voice input kada kazu man-machine interface jer ne kontam po cemu je ovde drugaciji od ostalih ili ima nesto sto mi neznamo u vezi njegovog interfejsa ili T-3 verzije. Ipak naglaseno da jos treba da bude zavrsen skroz. Nije ni jedan od ponudjenih( tu Rafal i F-18 stoje bolje) ali Tajfun malo vise

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A jel se napokon saznalo, kojih 14-stavki je izbacilo Migušku iz igre(osim priče o motorima)