JF-17(FC-1) Thunder

30

JF-17(FC-1) Thunder

offline
  • Pridružio: 06 Jun 2011
  • Poruke: 421

Napisano: 15 Oct 2011 17:02

the following is my view;

paf jf-17 blk1 is inferior to f16 blk52 in both avionics and payload
paf jft blk2 will be equal [or atleast similar] in avionics but still inferior in payload as compared to f16blk52


jft is a light fighter, f16 is a medium wt fighter

paf jft blk 1 capability is inbetween grippen a/b--c/d
paf jft blk doesnt have ifr probe, irst


paf jft blk2 will have the final design of jft [particularly re-designed frontal fuselage]
it will have ifr probe [fixed] , irst, better avionics, better countermeasures, aesa [from the start , or later in the form of mlu] , dual seeter version, sd10b,more composits, more hardpoints, new engine [still unconfirmed]


paf jft blk3 will have avionics upgrade , but the structure will be same as blk2




in terms of dogfighting with f16 blk15ocu, the jft blk1 is superior in both menouvering and countermeasures

exact rcs of jft is not known , however the pilots have said in forums that the rcs of jft blk1 is the least in paf inventory

Dopuna: 15 Oct 2011 17:09

klj-7 has already been replaced by another radar , which is being produced for jft blk1 in pac-kamra.... this has been told by engineers on pak forums , but the details are not public -- only thing known is that its max output is above the average output of apg68v9

the baseline klj7 had beeten the grifo7 radar in trails in 2009



Registruj se da bi učestvovao u diskusiji. Registrovanim korisnicima se NE prikazuju reklame unutar poruka.
offline
  • jazbar 
  • Legendarni građanin
  • Pridružio: 28 Dec 2009
  • Poruke: 16080
  • Gde živiš: Lublana

ANTIBODY ::fly-by-wire,HUD,HOTAS,MFD,dsi,look down/shoot down,bvr,GPS/precision weapons,hms,datalink,maw etc easily make jf-17 blk1 a 4th generation fighter
http://www.defence.pk/forums/jf-17-thunder/71435-j.....-pool.html

the above picture compares the physical dimensions

All that has F-16 block 30 also and it is 3rd. generation figter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16.....lock_30.29

What is 4th. generation? Data link, battle computer, digital ground mapping and similar stuff. With short words "Digital Warfare".

Dopuna: 15 Okt 2011 17:22
Besotted ::Nemam ja problem uporedne tabele sa JF-17 ali šta tu radi F-5 i stari block 30 f-16 da mi je znati? Trebali su staviti Block 52 da bi bio on-par sa Gripenom i JF-17.
Komparacija bi bila sasvim na mestu da nisu stavili pored Gripena. OK i trebali su umesto F-5E staviti F-20 zbog toga jer je jednomotorac.



offline
  • Pridružio: 23 Dec 2006
  • Poruke: 12566

@jazbar

Evo ti spisak elektronike:

Citat:
* Dual redundant mission computers
* Dual redundant 1553 Mux bus architecture
* Multimode Pulse Doppler Radar capable of tracking multiple targets with prioritized firing
* Ring laser gyro inertial navigation system tied with GPS
* Smart head up display with up front control panel. HUD minimum total Field of View is 25 degrees
* Color video recording camera and video recorder (for SMFCDs)
* HOTAS
* Three smart multi function color displays
* Air Data Computer
* R/Altimeter
* IFF Interrogator/Transponder
* ACMI
* BVR/Communication Data link


Dakle ima tu dosta tehnike koja pripada 4generaciji. Cak mislim da radar ima mapiranje terena.

offline
  • Pridružio: 12 Jan 2011
  • Poruke: 1557

Nemojte da zaboravite da se uvela nova kategorija, ono + ili ++, pa to dovodi do dodatne zbrke(eh ti Rusi)

offline
  • Pridružio: 14 Jul 2008
  • Poruke: 3441

Znaci neki jos uvek nisu shvatili da su te "generacije" glupost, a pogotovu ako mislite da po njima uporedjujete sposobnosti aviona.

offline
  • Pridružio: 07 Jan 2011
  • Poruke: 394

i ja mislim da su gluposti te generacije...to je samo mamac da se uvali proizvod.dele se samo na bolji i losiji...kako sad jedan mig-21 bis avion druge generacije modernizacijom na mig-21-93 postaje cetvrta generacija i pobedjuje avion F-16 koji je treca generacija(milim na starije blokove ne i pocetne gde je bio naoruzan samo sa aim-9,uzmimo prvi blok koji je koristio Aim-120 i uporedimo im karakteristike)???Fica je fica iako mu ugradis porse motor i GPS nece postati Fica+++i nece moci ce da se meri sa BMW iz 80 godina kad izadje na trkackoj stazi. Pogotovo te ++ zezancije kakvo je to ocenjivanje?Znaci bitne su karakteristike aviona,radar, naoruzanje i cena,to generacijsko uporejivanje je cista glupost i marketinski trik

offline
  • Pridružio: 23 Dec 2006
  • Poruke: 12566

Nego jel kinez ima kombinaciju nisanske kacige i odgovarajuce rakete? Dakle jel to operativno ili samo na papiru?

offline
  • Pridružio: 05 Apr 2009
  • Poruke: 3702
  • Gde živiš: JAGODINA

Imali su oni to operativno još na F-7G, s' tim što raketa nije mogla da se navodi i radarom i kacigom.
Odnosno, ukoliko bi radar zaključao metu i dao parametre IC samonavođenoj raketi pilot tada nije mogao da koristi kacigu (tj. nišan na kacigi). I obrnuto, ukoliko bi pilot želeo da koristi nišan na kacigi, nije mogao da upotrebljava i radar. Odnosno ručno je birao mod u kome će raditi sa raketom, radar, ili nišan na kacihi.
To su kao glavni problem navodili sami Kinezi...

offline
  • Pridružio: 23 Dec 2006
  • Poruke: 12566

Nisam bio najjasniji. Da li imaju raketu sa velikim uglom zahvata za JF-17? Vidim pominje su razne zapadne rakete ali da li je ista od toga zvanicno prikazano na avionu?

offline
  • Pridružio: 06 Jun 2011
  • Poruke: 421

mean machine, i think you asked of rockets for jf17-- paf used rockets on non-rose upgraded mirages

jf17 will use precesion weapons


pakistan and china dont have marketing specialists to make stylish videos and presentations aswell as naming their fighters 4, 4+, 4++ etc--

however jf17 was heavily inspired by the gripen [sortie rate and cockpit design as example]-- paf pilots test flew gripen for some time , but then decided to concentrate production of prototype04 of jf17 -- as gripen was not giving extraordinary performance as compared to its cost , and paf felt that it could make a similar fighter in 8 years , which paf did

embargoes , source code restrictions, upgrade restrictions, gps spying, spare parts restrictions were also important factors , particularly when paf needed 250 fighters to form a reliable backbone in case of war

one important thing i want to add is that paf is the producer aswell as the user --so cost is down--- for gripen paf would have to pay to grippen company [+profit] , middle man [+profit] before it reached pakistan

in todays war , no fighter works alone , it is integrated & datalinked to awacs aswell as the defence c4 system

the electronic pod on jft is inbetween lantrin and sniper pod--- all these 3 pods are used by paf



The MAWS(Missile Approach Warning System) scans in the IR, UV and visual spectrum, being able to detect incoming missiles from 20 km away.

Ko je trenutno na forumu
 

Ukupno su 711 korisnika na forumu :: 58 registrovanih, 8 sakrivenih i 645 gosta   ::   [ Administrator ] [ Supermoderator ] [ Moderator ] :: Detaljnije

Najviše korisnika na forumu ikad bilo je 3195 - dana 09 Nov 2023 14:47

Korisnici koji su trenutno na forumu:
Korisnici trenutno na forumu: -[CoA]-, A.R.Chafee.Jr., amaterSRB, amstel, bladesu, Bloody, bojank, Bubimir, cenejac111, Centauro, cifra, coaaco, Dannyboy, darkangel, darkojbn, Denaya, Dorcolac, DPera, draggan, hyla, ILGromovnik, Ivica1102, ivica976, kaisarevic1, Kubovac, kunktator, kuntalo, Leonov, LUDI, MB120mm, Metanoja, mgolub, mile23, milos.cbr, Mixelotti, naki011, Ne doznajem se u oružje, Nemanja.M, nuke92, opt1, ostoja, panzerwaffe, Parker, raptorsi, RED4G-304, Romibrat, rovac, Srki94, Srle993, Tandrkalo, tubular, uros, Velizar, VJ, Volkhov-M, wolf431, Yellow Pinky, zixmix