Su-57 novi ruski lovac

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Људови, а октуда ви знате да рецимо за 4-5 година Руси неће развити двосед Су-57....па ће рецимо други пилот, тачније копилот да управља са охотником...

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@Leonardo i sremac983

Saopštenje Sukhoi-a kada je T-50 prvi put poleteo:

Citat:Fifth generation fighter aircraft equipped with a fundamentally new avionics, the integrating function of the e-pilot, and promising radar with a phased antenna array. This significantly reduces the load on the pilot and allows you to concentrate on the implementation of tactical tasks. On-board equipment of a new aircraft enables the exchange of data in real time as a land-management systems, and within the aviation group.

https://www.mycity-military.com/Avioni/Su-57-novi-ruski-lovac_72.html#p900787

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@acatomic

Postoje situacije gde je to ostvarivo. Ne vidim kako je u današnjim uslovima to moguće tokom vazdušnih duela i većeg naprezanja pilota, kad je potreban maksimalan fokus. A to je ono što je meni primarno interesantno. Ukoliko sam napravio nesporazum usled nedorečenosti.

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@Leonardo Nisam baš dobro razumeo, misliš na dog-fight?

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sremac983 ::Људови, а октуда ви знате да рецимо за 4-5 година Руси неће развити двосед Су-57....па ће рецимо други пилот, тачније копилот да управља са охотником...

Ili upotrebiti jeftiniju platformu za tako nesto, modifikovanu. Su-34 recimo, taman ima prostora.

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@acatomic

Ne mislim uopšte na dogfight.

Recimo kamioni će moći da idu na autopilotu u kolonama, ali će još dugo ljudi razvozi po naseljenim mestima. To je komercijala i daleko prostije za rešiti od onoga što se dešava gore u vazduhu.

Dok mi dočekamo te rojeve koji će moći da se navode preko F-35, a da ne govorimo o Suj-57, dodaj barem deceniju, recimo na zemaljske ciljeve proćiće dosta godina. Kad je reć o vazdušnim duelima bićemo svi sedi, nadam se živi. Ne ide to preko noći. Pogledaj koliko je od prve ideje do početka serijske proizvodnje i stotog F-35 prošlo.

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Koncept sa rojevima je vec bio isproban pre 15 godina u SAD sa X-45 i sistemom nazvanim DICE (Decision Mission-Control Software):

Citat:Instead of a being flown by a pilot in front of a console, like the MQ-1 Predator and MQ-9 Reaper, the X-45s would run via a point-and-click desktop interface, and in some cases, without any human commands at all. The X-45s would be told to perform various tasks, head to a certain area or enter into certain modes. The vehicles themselves could ask for permission to perform certain critical actions or to respond to a particular situation, and the threshold for the aircraft’s own artificial intelligence level and decision making authority could be set according to each mission's goals.

Boeing’s control software for the X-45s was called DICE, or Decision Mission-Control Software. The software allowed ground operators to guide the X-45's mission from anywhere in the world, and it allowed both X-45A aircraft to work as a team to accomplish their mission via leveraging a set of algorithms, onboard sensors and communications data links.

On the program’s 50th test flight, the aircraft were slated to prove just how promising their new capabilities are. The X-45s were flown over a simulated enemy battlefield with autonomous control and decision making largely there own. Suddenly, a simulated threat radar activated. The pair of networked UCAVs immediately classified the threat and executed a plan to destroy it based on the position of each X-45 in relation to the target, what weapons were available, what each drone’s fuel load was and the nature of the target itself. The calculations happened in a blink of an eye.

One X-45 immediately changed heading to attack the virtual SAM site while asking for permission to do so from the ground operator monitoring the mission. The attack was approved, and the X-45 obliterated the simulated threat with GPS-guided bombs. Then, another threat—one tougher to detect than the first—popped up and was successfully prosecuted with great prejudice by the flying robotic duo.

The test proved that unmanned semi-autonomous tactical aircraft could not only react successfully to unplanned circumstances, but they could do so in such a manner that was in some ways superior to their manned counterparts. Additionally, this test included just two aircraft. Dozens, or even hundreds, of UCAVs could leverage this same cooperative decision making. The potential implications of this new technology were massive.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3889/the-ala.....r-vehicles

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@acatomic

Znam u kom se pravcu kreće razvoj. Testiranje nečega, zatim razvoj potpuno drugih sistema na bazi novijih tehnologija, testiranje, serijska proizvodnja i upotreba u borbenim dejstvima ima niz faza. Ne znam šta je tu teško shvatiti da su potrebne godine. Kad krenu sa upotrebom znaćemo svi.

Opet jedno je upotreba dronova za borbu protiv ciljeva na zemlji, a drugo za ciljeve u vazduhu.

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To se odnosilo na tvrdnju da ce biti potrebne godine, dodaj barem deceniju, da se postigne upravljanje rojevima iz F-35 ili Su-57.

Moja tvrdnja je da se takvo nešto vec postiglo na zapadu.

Rusi su sa Su-57 prvi korak napravili prošle godine, kao što ti je možda vec poznato:

https://www.janes.com/article/91559/russia-s-okhot.....with-su-57

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