Samohodni višecevni raketni sistem 262mm M-87 "Orkan"

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Gargantua ::Pa evo i slike radio-stanice.



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SVLR je trebalo da ima one RU-2/1,u KVB su RU-2/2K...

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Lokacija ? Mozda upravo EI `RC` ?

EI RC, firma za proizvodnju vakuum cevi je potpuno prazna. Svu pokretnu imovinu je kupila firma Western Electric iz Atlante, US. Ja licno sam pre 3 god izvozio iz njihovih prostorija masine i trenutno imam 20-ak njihovih masina koje skladistim za gore navedenu firmu. Dobar deo njihovih prostorija je kupila Sova HD. Cisto sumnjam da je nesto ostalo posle ovoliko godina jer smo sve do podruma pocistili. Mozda ako su imali neko drugo skladiste osim onih 3 sprata i podrum u okviru EI, takozvane 8-ce.
Sto se tice EI i namenske proizvodnje, znam da OPEK jos uvek radi, i to poprilicno dobro. Prosle god sam im pomogao da ubace neke 3-4 nove masine. Za ostale firme iz EI ne mogu to da kazem.
RC, TV, Poluprovodnici i Cevi vise ne postoje. EI holding i Cegar su u stecaju. Tamo osim ELMAG i OPEK ne posluje ni jedna drzavna firma.

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Dobro nam dosli i hvala na tim informacijama kolega . Za OPEK znamo jer je ta firma 2008g isporucila neke svoje proizvode VS tj onim konvertovanim Orkanima u `mabr` sto su u niskoj kasarni ( navodno opticke sprave sta li vec ..)

Dalje me zanima stanje sa onim pogonima, `Profesionalna elektronika` i `Mikroelektronika` te `Prostorna tehnika` ,to je valjda sve zatvoreno ,bio je i onaj `Cajavec -Sistemi upravljanja( SUV )` tako nesto ?

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Kolega `ekser222` nam je dao zaista korisne informacije u vezi sa ARS iz KVB a trebalo bi opet podsetiti na onaj njegov snimak iz `Cajevec- Profesionalna Elektronika`



Naime od 13:53min na jednom radnom stolu vidimo zuti ARS -iracki( uputstva na engl/arapskom ) i pored njega u SMB PEL ( uputstva na SH )

poblize



kolega Gargantua je predhodno postavio vise kadrova iz tog snimka ,ARS i PEL na radnom stolu ..

+ ARS KVB




























Ono sto se moze uociti za ovaj ARS je da je on u kucistu ,medjutim na 14:30 ovog Vladovog snimka se moze uociti jos jedan ARS na radnom stolu a koji nije u kucistu .. E sad je li to iz nekog arhivskog snimka ( do 1992 g) ili je i taj kadar nastao oko 2000g kad je snimak mogao nastati u Vladovoj reziji ...Mozda su tada bila 2 ARS u toj firmi ?

Sto se ARS u SMB tice ...



...ocigledno je to uradjeno za potrebe JNA ,moguce da je ovo bio ARS u onom KVB sto je pratio SVLR u SVK/VRS ? Uocava se da su uputstva na dugmadima ostala na engl. kao i ona u posebnom odseku u gornjem uglu .Jednostavno je izvadjena tabla na sarafe sa natpisima na engl. zute boje i onda stavljena SMB tabla sa natpisima na SH .

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Jedan poluprofil...

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Odlicno ... moguce da je to kadar nekog arhivskog snimka nastalog krajem 80tih ,pocetkom 90tih u procesu izrade tih ARS za KVB iracke armije ? Takodje je zanimljivo poslusati od 14:30 koje sve ulazne parametre prima taj ARS tj iz kojih izvora ,na kraju se pored artiljerijskih radara i zvukovne aparature pominje i korektura vatre merenjem odstupanja laserom ???

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Dalje me zanima stanje sa onim pogonima, `Profesionalna elektronika` i `Mikroelektronika` te `Prostorna tehnika` ,to je valjda sve zatvoreno ,bio je i onaj `Cajavec -Sistemi upravljanja( SUV )` tako nesto ?

Ei Profesionalna elektronika je od skoro u stecaju. Za ostale ne znam

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Hvala kolega .. dakle znamo da je `OPTEL` aktivna firma ,ostalo je proslost.

Citat:Proizvodnja optičkih instrumenata i fotografske opreme

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te ovo poznato

Citat:proizvodnja i remont optiĉkih sistema

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Ne znam da li je ovaj tekst o Iraku integralno bio postavljan ovde no malo je obimniji a ako je bio metla. Prateće slike uz tekst su bile već ranije postavljane pa sam ih izostavio.
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UNMOVIC
CHAPTER IV.IX

Ababil-50 Project/Al Nidaa
Iraq’s Ababil-50 MLRS was first displayed publicly in 1998, at an Iraqi defence
exhibition. In 1980, Iraq signed a contract with a foreign company on the joint
development of a double-base propellant Multiple Rocket Launcher System (MLRS) with
a maximum range of 50 km. The ballistic calculation showed that a calibre larger than
122mm would be required for achieving such a range. Also Iraq planned to produce a
complete system that would include command, meteorological, supply, observation and
other ground support vehicles.
As a part of the joint programme contract, Iraq received several hundred Ababil-50
rockets from its contract partner before 1990. In addition, according to the same contract
Iraq received the production documentation, know how and assistance to manufacture its
own Ababil-50 rockets and launchers. When UNMOVIC arrived in Iraq in 2002, Iraq had
started to convert double-base propellant Ababil-50 rockets into a composite propellant
rocket named Al Nidaa.

Ababil-50 system
The Ababil-50 system is a 262mm 12-barrel rocket system mounted on a heavy truck
chassis. The overall length of all rockets is 4.656 metres. The rocket has a maximum
range of 50 km. By the opening and closing of four different types of aerodynamic
brakes, four different ranges can be attained: 24, 28, 37 and 50 km. The probable
dispersion at maximum range is claimed to be 220 metres in range and 175 metres in
azimuth.
The two-stage rocket motor used double-base propellant. The booster stage used 10 kg of
propellant and burnt for 200 ms to generate 8,000 kg of thrust to propel the rocket clear of
the launch tube. The second (sustainer) motor then cut in to burn for five seconds and
generate 18,000 kg of thrust to produce a maximum velocity of 1,200 m/s. The time of
flight to maximum range was 110 seconds.
Two types of warhead were developed for this MLRS. The first one was an Armour-
Piercing High-Explosive (APHE), with an inertial-type impact fuse with Super Quick
(SQ) or graze action. This type of rocket weighed 389 kg and the warhead weighed 91 kg.
The second one was a cargo/cluster warhead containing 288 dual-purpose bomblets. The
rocket also weighed 389 kg, with the warhead weighing 91 kg. Each bomblet had a
shaped anti-armour charge capable of penetrating over 60mm of armour, while the antipersonnel
fragmentation effects were augmented by approximately 420 small steel
spheres which are scattered, along with the usual bomblet fragments, over a lethal radius
of 10 metres. This warhead contained an Electronic-Time (ET) fuse.
In early 1990, Iraq started to work on the Ababil-50 missile and launcher The main
technologies involved in manufacturing the Ababil-50 were lathe machining, welding and
flow forming for the metal parts, and double-base extrusion for the propellant. The Al
Nidaa State Establishment was tasked in March 1992 to produce dies, moulds and parts
for the rocket system and on 22 August 1993 they received 56 drawings to achieve this
work. However, according to the declarations of the Director General of Al Nidaa in 1997, this project had only a medium priority and the work was never completed and was stopped in 1995 when the Ibn Al Haitham and Al Karama establishments merged.
According to an engineer, Al Nidaa had received materials from the Tho Al Fekar
Mechanical Plant of the Al Rasheed State Establishment to produce parts for the Ababil-
50. In March 1997, Al Nidaa received a high priority for its Ababil-50 work from the
Mechanical Plant. In response, Al Nidaa changed the location of some of its machines.
At the end of 1997, the final assembly of the Ababil-50 rocket was eventually located in
Al Mutassim State Establishment, where it was in March 2003 (Figure IV.IX.L and LI).
The Al Fedaa Hydraulic Factory produced and assembled equipment for the Ababil-50
rocket. In addition, Al Fedaa was tasked to produce fixtures and tools for maintenance
and life extension for the Ababil-50. The Director General of the Al Fedaa Hydraulic
Factory stated that when the shelf life for the rockets expired they would need to be
disassembled for testing and for substituting expired elements.
The Al Qaa Qaa Double-base Production Plant was in charge of producing the doublebase
grains for the Ababil-50 booster and sustainer.
MIC also tasked the Al Fedaa Hydraulic Factory in 1997 to study the possibility of
producing the launcher for the Ababil-50. When UNSCOM left Iraq in December 1998,
the project was still on-going. By that time the Ababil-50 project was about 12 years old
and the establishments involved had not yet succeeded in producing and integrating all
the sub-systems43. The main characteristics of the Ababil-50 are presented in the Table IV.IX.XII.

Table IV.IX.XII - Main characteristics of the Ababil-50
Parameters Ababil-50
System
Total length (mm) 4656
Diameter (mm) 262
Propulsion System Solid rocket motor
Type of Warhead HE / Cluster
Warhead section mass (kg) 91
Liftoff mass (kg) 389
Maximum Range (km) 50
Launch Equipment Multi-tube launcher
Assumed CEP (m) 220
Propellants
Type Extruded double-base
Booster /Sustainer Mass (kg) 10 / 130
Performance
Average Thrust (daN) 18000
Burn time Booster (s) 0.2
Burn time Sustainer (s) 5
When UNMOVIC entered Iraq in November 2002, Iraq was successfully assembling
indigenous Ababil-50 rockets in Al Mutassim as shown on Figures IV.IX.L and IV.IX.LI.

Al Nidaa
In its December 2002 declaration, Iraq declared that it had initiated a programme to
extend the range of the Ababil-50 from 50 km to 70 km by replacing the double-base
solid propellant grain with a composite solid propellant grain. The project was named Al
Nidaa. The main characteristics of the Al Nidaa missile are presented in Table
IV.IX.XIII.
Iraq declared that this project was initiated in April 1999 and completed by the end of
2002. Iraq declared that it successfully achieved the solid propellant replacement. The
mandrel for the Al Nidaa was indeed observed in Al Mamoun factory (Figure IV.IX.LII)
but no static or flight test was performed during UNMOVIC’s presence in Iraq.Many Ababil-50 rockets were observed in Iraq, but without verifying the grain, it was difficult to establish which type of propellant was in these rockets.

Table IV.IX.XIII Main characteristics of Al Nidaa
Parameters Al Nidaa
System
Total length (mm) 4650
Diameter (mm) 262
Propulsion System Solid rocket motor
Type of Warhead Cluster
Warhead section mass (kg) 87
Lift-off mass (kg) /
Maximum Range (km) 71
Launch Equipment Multi-tube launcher
Assumed CEP (m) /
Propellants
Type Composite
Booster /Sustainer Mass (kg) /
Performance
Average Thrust (daN) /
Burn time Booster (s) /
Burn time Sustainer (s) /
The composite propellant formulation was not declared but it seemed that Iraq used the
same composition as the one used on the Al Fatah and the Al Ubour projects.
Comment
The Ababil-50 system was not covered by the prohibition imposed on Iraq by Security
Council resolution 687 (1991). However, through the acquisition of this system and active
participation in its development and production, Iraq obtained access to some doublebase
solid propellant missile technology and gained experience and machinery that it
later utilized for the refurbishing of foreign double-base solid propellant missiles and to a
certain degree in the framework of other indigenous missile projects. In the Al Nidaa
project, Iraq replaced a double-base solid propellant grain with a composite solid
propellant grain. UNMOVIC lacked the time to verify Iraq’s declaration that it had
successfully completed this project. Iraq’s ability to successfully upgrade the solid
propellant from double-base to composite would confirm an improvement in its solid
propellant technology from what it was able to achieve in 1998.

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Odlicno ,metla nije potrebna jer jedan detalj jos nismo da kazem resili a to je ovo ..

Citat:When UNMOVIC entered Iraq in November 2002, Iraq was successfully assembling
indigenous Ababil-50 rockets in Al Mutassim as shown on Figures IV.IX.L and IV.IX.LI.

Na datoj slici se vide rakete tj onako po sekcijama rastavljene u jednoj hali u kojoj se nalazi i onaj montazni sto za R-262. Medjutim ono sto se vidi na tim sekcijama jesu oznake skroz iste kao i kod pravih R-262 iz PRETIS .Ostaje tu malo nejasno jesu to rakete iz PRETIS pa na remontu ili procesu rastavljanja i zamene dvobaznog goriva onim kompozitnim ili su u pitanju zaista prave iracke rakete radjene po TD/KD koja je dobijena iz VTI pocetkom 90tih .

Ono sto mi je zanimljivo da onaj sajt `Cat-uxo` ima slike rakete koje nemaju nikakvu oznaku, ni one crvene poprecne i uzduzne linije ,jednostavno nista ...