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F-35 je tolika katastrofa da ga nazivaju
"Leteći klavir" i "Avion koji je pojeo Pentagon"

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/26/t.....n?page=0,0

Citat:The F-35 isn't only expensive -- it's way behind schedule. The first plan was to have an initial batch of F-35s available for combat in 2010. Then first deployment was to be 2012. More recently, the military services have said the deployment date is "to be determined." A new target date of 2019 has been informally suggested in testimony -- almost 10 years late.

If the F-35's performance were spectacular, it might be worth the cost and wait. But it is not. Even if the aircraft lived up to its original specifications -- and it will not -- it would be a huge disappointment. The reason it is such a mediocrity also explains why it is unaffordable and, for years to come, unobtainable.


F-35 nazivaju "mediokritetom"

Citat:This grotesquely unpromising plan has already resulted in multitudes of problems -- and 80 percent of the flight testing remains. A virtual flying piano, the F-35 lacks the F-16's agility in the air-to-air mode and the F-15E's range and payload in the bombing mode, and it can't even begin to compare to the A-10 at low-altitude close air support for troops engaged in combat. Worse yet, it won't be able to get into the air as often to perform any mission -- or just as importantly, to train pilots -- because its complexity prolongs maintenance and limits availability. The aircraft most like the F-35, the F-22, was able to get into the air on average for only 15 hours per month in 2010 when it was fully operational. (In 2011, the F-22 was grounded for almost five months and flew even less.)

- F-16 je agilniji u cazdušnoj borbi
- F-15 ima veći dolet i nosi više tereta.
- A-10 je neuporedivo bolji u podrški jedinicama KoV



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Napisano: 01 Maj 2012 13:51

F-35B BF-01,BF-02,BF-04
Mart/April 2012



Dopuna: 02 Maj 2012 10:57

Japanci kupuju cetiri F-35 plus 38 opciono,cifra oko $10 billiona
Citat:The Defense Security Cooperation Agency has notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Japan for a possible sale of an initial four F-35As with an option to purchase an additional 38 aircraft. The estimated cost is $10 billion.

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Khaless ::F-35 je tolika katastrofa da ga nazivaju
"Leteći klavir" i "Avion koji je pojeo Pentagon"

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/26/t.....n?page=0,0

Citat:The F-35 isn't only expensive -- it's way behind schedule. The first plan was to have an initial batch of F-35s available for combat in 2010. Then first deployment was to be 2012. More recently, the military services have said the deployment date is "to be determined." A new target date of 2019 has been informally suggested in testimony -- almost 10 years late.

If the F-35's performance were spectacular, it might be worth the cost and wait. But it is not. Even if the aircraft lived up to its original specifications -- and it will not -- it would be a huge disappointment. The reason it is such a mediocrity also explains why it is unaffordable and, for years to come, unobtainable.


F-35 nazivaju "mediokritetom"

Citat:This grotesquely unpromising plan has already resulted in multitudes of problems -- and 80 percent of the flight testing remains. A virtual flying piano, the F-35 lacks the F-16's agility in the air-to-air mode and the F-15E's range and payload in the bombing mode, and it can't even begin to compare to the A-10 at low-altitude close air support for troops engaged in combat. Worse yet, it won't be able to get into the air as often to perform any mission -- or just as importantly, to train pilots -- because its complexity prolongs maintenance and limits availability. The aircraft most like the F-35, the F-22, was able to get into the air on average for only 15 hours per month in 2010 when it was fully operational. (In 2011, the F-22 was grounded for almost five months and flew even less.)

- F-16 je agilniji u cazdušnoj borbi
- F-15 ima veći dolet i nosi više tereta.
- A-10 je neuporedivo bolji u podrški jedinicama KoV


A kada če USA opet da ratuje, svi če ovi 'agilniji, bolji, sa više doleta' avioni u početku čekati na sigurnom dok 'tromi, spori, itd..' F35 slomi protivničku PZO, pa tek onda da mogu bezbedno da iskažu svoje bolje osobine.

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F-22 je taj koji treba da lomi PVO prema onome što je USAF pričalo nekada.

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I opet, Štancuju B, koji jedini ima neki smisao, ali kada se pljuje po JSF-u jako često se zaboravlja da taj avion nikada neće biti sam u vazduhu ako je u bilo kakvoj napadačkoj misiji, biće F15S-ova i Super Horneta,F16-ca Leteće i A-10 za baš baš prašenje po te'nacima i sl., a na kraju krajeva, ovaj svojim super senzorima i stealthnošću neka omogućava , kvalitetno obeležavanje ciljeva, i uočavanje opasnosti iz vazduha i zemlje i biće sasma dovoljno(ispusti ono malo što je poneo, ako pogodi odlično ako ne nikem ništa, završiće onaj iza njega)a ipak ga je mnogo teže oboriti od AWAKSA... Mr. Green

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Kenguri jos odlazu.....za sada ostaju samo na dva JSF...a Boeing se nada da im proda dodatne F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet


Australia delays purchase of 12 F-35s by two years
Citat:Australia will delay its acquisition of 12 Lockheed Martin F-35A aircraft by two years to save costs associated with the programme.

The decision to buy the 12 aircraft will be made in 2014-2015, as opposed to later this year, says minister for defence Stephen Smith.


Arrow http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/australi.....rs-371402/

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svi odlazu , smanjivaju /vecina/ narucenu kolicinu pa cak i ameri priznaju da je promasena investicija, nekvalitetan trom , nesto debelo nestima to je sigurno.

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The first Dutch F-35 continues its way to first flight.

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Puch ::
A kada če USA opet da ratuje, svi če ovi 'agilniji, bolji, sa više doleta' avioni u početku čekati na sigurnom dok 'tromi, spori, itd..' F35 slomi protivničku PZO, pa tek onda da mogu bezbedno da iskažu svoje bolje osobine.


Ako planiraju da "lome" PVO Libije ili Sudana, za to im nije ni potreban JSF, a ako planirajud a lome PVO Rusije ili neke druge ozbiljne zemlje za to će im trebati mnoooogo više od JSF.

Dopuna: 05 Maj 2012 16:10

Ranxerox ::I opet, Štancuju B, koji jedini ima neki smisao, ali kada se pljuje po JSF-u jako često se zaboravlja da taj avion nikada neće biti sam u vazduhu ako je u bilo kakvoj napadačkoj misiji, biće F15S-ova i Super Horneta,F16-ca Leteće i A-10 za baš baš prašenje po te'nacima i sl., a na kraju krajeva, ovaj svojim super senzorima i stealthnošću neka omogućava , kvalitetno obeležavanje ciljeva, i uočavanje opasnosti iz vazduha i zemlje i biće sasma dovoljno(ispusti ono malo što je poneo, ako pogodi odlično ako ne nikem ništa, završiće onaj iza njega)a ipak ga je mnogo teže oboriti od AWAKSA... Mr. Green

Čemu odna "super avion" koji košta nenormalno mnogo ako opet trebaju F-15 i F-16 da ga čuvaju? Kakav je to super avion kome treba bebi-siterka?

U ostalom on je stvoren da ZAMENI sve F-15 i F-16, a sada, i sam kažeš da će oni morati da ostanu na "straži" da ka čuvaju... Čemu onda?

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Khaless ::Napisano: 05 Maj 2012 16:09


Ako planiraju da "lome" PVO Libije ili Sudana, za to im nije ni potreban JSF, a ako planirajud a lome PVO Rusije ili neke druge ozbiljne zemlje za to će im trebati mnoooogo više od JSF.


Ne slažem se. Zemlja slične geografije i pozicije poput Rusije, te s pzo tehnikom poput današnje Ruske, kao i pripadajućom zračnom flotom poput današnje Ruske, može se "lomiti" i sa sadašnjom američkom zračnom silom, a moći će se lomiti i za 20ak godina, kada f35 bude dostupan u velikim brojevima.

Dakako, definiranje pojma "lomiti" je tu bitno, to u mom gledanju na stvar nije nužno posvemašno uništenje vojne sile prijespomenutog protivnika sličnog Rusiji, jer to bi svakako bilo teško ponajviše radi veličine takve zemlje i njene pozicije u odnosu na potencijalne američke pozicije, ali jedna dugoročna zračna kampanja koja bi na kraju ostvarila neutralizaciju protivničke pzo srednjeg i dalekog dometa, kao i uništenje većeg dijela zračnih snaga te zračnu nadmoć nad područjem u dometu (barem parstotinjak km od granica)- to je svakako izgledno. Naravno da to ne ide bez gubitaka više stotina aviona, brojčano bi to bili daleko najveći američki gubici nakon vijetnama.

Ja ne osjećam da sam potegnuo ovu temu već samo reagirao na upis koji ju je potegao, no ako je ovo protivno ovoj konkretnoj temi, možemo slobodno nastaviti na virtualnom dogfightu. Smile

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