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i Italijani su od Amera još odavnio iznajmili F-16ADF pa se niko od njih na to ne žali... Još im leti i odlično služi! Inače koliko mene pamćenje služi ti ADF su uglavnom nabudženi BLOK.15



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Jos jedan link.

http://www.f-16.net/news_article4043.html



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mean_machine ::Mnogo je 160+ miliona za novu F-16. Nije najjasnije sta bi islo u paketu ali sta god da ide opet je cena ogromna. Jedino ako deo cene bi Ameri nekako nadoknadili.

Pametno je uradila Rumunija. Samo da odrade korektan remont. Remont F-16 bi mogli da im odrade Izraelci i da im ugrade nesto od svoje opreme (CTF, HMS, Python5, Derby) odlicna masina za malo novca.

Ja te ovde nista nisam razumeo jer ne znam da li ti se oba pasosa iz posta odnose na potencijalne Rumunske F-16. Ako jeste tako, prvi deo je totalno kontradiktoran sa drugim delom. Pojasni samo na sta i koga ti se odnosi sta u postu.

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Prvo su planirali da kupe nove F-16. Tada bi ih svaka kostala 160+ miliona. Ali su odlucili da uzmu polovne i verovatno da ih srede. Polovnjak ih kosta 33miliona stim sto uopste i nije toliko los jer moze da nosi AIM-120 a ako je bas potrebno da precizno gadja ciljeve na kopnu/moru tu je i Maverick.

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pitam se vec dugo: koliko je uopste maverick bio rabljen sa F-16. Uvjek gađaju LGB ili mk82...

Vise mi djeluje taj maverick mogucnost kao neizkoristena fama

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S-lash ::pitam se vec dugo: koliko je uopste maverick bio rabljen sa F-16. Uvjek gađaju LGB ili mk82...

Vise mi djeluje taj maverick mogucnost kao neizkoristena fama


Pa Blok 25 ne moze da koristi LGB tj. ne moze da ih navodi. Koliko sam video moze samo da koristi Maverick.

Ok moze i mk82 ali mi pre svega pricamo o preciznom oruziju.

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Koliko se vremenski može koristiti remontovani F 16 Block 25? I kolika mu je cijena remonta?

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Avion Rumune kosta nista, odnosno dobijaju F-16 za dzaba !

Ono sto placaju je obuka pilota i svog prateceg personala, infrastrukturu neophodnu za ove avione i verovatno neki vid remonta (i oruzje).

Pitanje je odakle stizu njihovi F16, da li su sada uopste u letnom stanju i koliko ce sati imati na raspolaganju kada stignu u Rumuniju ?

Nakon prve transe blok 25, Rumuni ce kupiti jos ~25 novih ili novijih F-16 (blok 50 ?). Rumunija je najpredaniji USA saveznik na Balkanu, uostalom da nije bilo Amera, Rumuni tesko da bi danas bili u EU...

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abudabi ::Avion Rumune kosta nista, odnosno dobijaju F-16 za dzaba !

Otkud sad to?

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Pa nije to nista novo. Isto ti pise u linkovima koji prethode mom postu. Cak smo se i mi u nekom periodu nadali "besplatnim" F-16.

Naravno da bi dobili upotrebljiv avion, platice koliko vec gore pise; oko $800mil, ali taj novac ide na remont, obuku, opremu, naoruzanje...
Inace Rumunija je trebala da dodje do novih aparata ranije, ali zbog krize, koja je njih efikasno smlatila, ovo je veliko iznenadjenje. Odnosno i Ameri su sigurno odlucili da im daju avione pod vrlo povoljnijim uslovima.

Ja cisto sumnjam da ce dobiti avione koji su trenuno operativni, pitanje je da li USAF uopste koristi blok25 verziju. Pre ce biti da ce da odu da proberu dvadestak odavde:
http://home-1.worldonline.nl/~marconop/images/AMARC01.jpg

...zatim dekonzerviraju i remontuju.

Cela prica oko tendera je bila smesna, rafal, tajfun, f-18... Jasno je bilo da ce kupiti americki avion od Amerikanaca, a da to nece biti skupa varijanta f-18.

U slucaju da se odlucimo za zapadni avion, treba iskoristiti situaciju da neke evropske drzave uskoro pocinju da povlace svoje eskadrile F-16. Mozda bi tu mogli da nadjemo jeftino resenje, posto mi sigurno necemo imati novca za nove avione, a remont takvih aviona uradimo u Izraelu. Sa Dancima smo vec imali pozitivnu saradnju...

Na racunaru imam 2 godine star dokumet americkog ministarstva odbrane u kome se aminuje i deklarise eventualna prodaja:


Citat:Romania - F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft

WASHINGTON, May 16, 2008 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Romania of F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft as well as associated equipment and services.

The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $4.5 billion.

The Government of Romania has requested a possible sale of 24 F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft with either the F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPE) and APG 68(V)9 radars; refurbishment and upgrades of 24 F-16C/D Block 25 aircraft being provided as Excess Defense Articles with the F100-PW-220 Increased Performance Engines (IPE) and APG-68(V)1 radars; 4 F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 IPE spare engines; 5 F100-PW-220 IPE spare engines; 4 APG-68(V)9 spare radar sets; 60 LAU-129/A Launchers; 30 LAU-117 Launchers; 6 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems; 4 AN/ARC-238 Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems (SINCGARS) with HAVE QUICK I/II; 24 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs); 4 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; 2 Link-16 Ground Stations; 4 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/ Inertial Navigation Systems (INS); 12 AN/AAQ-33 SNIPER or AN/AAQ-28 LITENING Targeting Pods; 4 Tactical Air Reconnaissance Systems or DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods (RECCE); 4 AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Systems; 28 AN/ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems; 28 AN/ALQ- 211 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suite (AIDEWS); or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Countermeasures Electronic Systems (ACES), or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites (SPEWS). Also included: support equipment, software development/integration, tanker support, ferry services, CAD/PAD, repair and return, modification kits, spares and repair parts, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $4.5 billion.

The proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security objectives of the United States by enhancing the capability of Romania, a NATO ally. Delivery of this weapon system will greatly enhance Romania’s interoperability with the U.S. and other NATO nations, making it a more valuable partner in an important area of the world, as well as supporting Romania’s legitimate need for its own self-defense.
The proposed sale will allow the Romanian Air Force to modernize its aging air force by acquiring both new and used fighter aircraft, thereby enabling Romania to support both its own air defense needs and coalition operations. The country will have no difficulty absorbing this new capability into its armed forces.


The proposed sale of this weapon system will not affect the basic military balance in the region.


The principal contractors will be:
BAE Advanced Systems Greenlawn, New York
Boeing Corporation Seattle, Washington
Boeing Integrated Defense Systems St Louis, Missouri
(three locations) Long Beach, California
San Diego, California
Raytheon Company Lexington, Massachusetts
(two locations) Goleta, California
Raytheon Missile Systems Tucson, Arizona
Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company Fort Worth, Texas
Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control Dallas, Texas
Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems Garland, Texas
Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems Baltimore, Maryland
Pratt & Whitney United Technology Company East Hartford, Connecticut
General Electric Aircraft Engines Cincinnati, Ohio
Goodrich ISR Systems Danbury, Connecticut
L3 Communications Arlington, Texas

There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale.
Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Romania involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical reviews/support, program management, and training over a period of 15 years.


There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.
This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.
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