MIG-21 Fishbed

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Ima ljudi na forumu koji ovo znaju mnogo bolje nego ja, ali koliko je meni poznato u SFRJ nosioc remonta aviona MiG-21 je bio VZ Zmaj. Šta je posle rata uspelo od poslova da se prenese na VZ Moma Stanojlović, odgovoriće nadam se neko upućeniji.

Mislim da se odgovor na pomenutu dilemu mnogima neće dopasti.

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Ne vidim u cemu je dilema? Znas i sam koliko je vremena proslo od raspada SFRJ i izmestanja kapaciteta iz Zmaja u Momu. Kao sto se i zna kad je prizemljen poslednji bis. A verujem i da znas da 21ice nisu isle nigde van zemlje na remont.
Ja pokusao da ti odgovorim i za produzenje veka, al vidim da me drzis za neupucenog, jbg htedo da pomognem...

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Mercury, izmeštanje zavoda kao što je Zmaj, nije isto što i izmeštanje fabrike čokolade (parafraziram). Ne može se tek tako nešto započeti iznova. Koliko je Bis-eva remontovano u Momi? Koliko je ukupno aviona MiG-21 remontovano nakon rata u Momi?

Šta je moglo da se uradi u saradnji sa Rusima, druga je tema. Trenutno pišemo šta je rađeno i urađeno do sada.

Za ono "upućeniji" sam mislio na sebe.

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Nema potrebe za takvim ilustracijama. Kad smo vec kod toga, fabriku cokolade je mozda i teze izmestiti nego remontni zavod, na nacin na koji je to radjeno onda..

Ne znam tacan broj remontovanih biseva. Broj remontovanih aviona i nije neki pokazatelj da li je Moma sposobna da remont bisa radi. S ozbirom na period o kojem govorimo, finansiranje , odlaske ljudi iz vojske...ali to ne menja cinjenicu da je Moma radila remont i da je za remont ospoboljena a da Rusi (MiG) tu nemaju zamerku. Kao i cinjenicu da je kod nas produzen vek na MiG-21UM sopstvenim kapacitetima.
Mislim da pogresno razumes komentar u vezi ruskih strucnjaka. Generalni remont bi se radio kod nas kao i do sad, ali je bila potrebna dozvola i pregled zmaja aviona od strane ljudi iz kompanije MiG posto Moma za to nema dozvolu za ovaj tip. I oni su vec bili da pregledaju avione, izdvojen je odredjeni broj letelica koje mogu da prodju remont ali se ostalo na prici o dokupu/poklonu 29ki.

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Remontovane su sve one 21-ce koji nose znak "Mome" (kako na trupu tako i na ranijem mestu na vertikalcu) i nije ih mali broj. Pogledajte fotografije 21-ca iz perioda SRJ/SCG/SRB ...

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@ gavrilion

I Spaček je bio jugoslovenski proizvod, pravio ga je Cimos u Kopru.

"Daleko nebo"... Ko još nije, neka obavezno pogleda šta su naši 1982. snimili kao te-ve film. Koliko znam pušten je jednom te godine na drugom, pa sledeći put oko 2012! Nisam siguran, ali pošto je, k'o što napisah, rađen kao te-ve film, verovatno ni u bioskopima nije imao zapaženu karijeru - ako i ikakvu. Ukoliko neko ima još podataka o njemu - bilo bi zanimljivo da prokomentariše.

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Tačno (ja napravih grešku - brži prsti od mozga)!
Kakogod "elovi" su u filmu "kao lutke" - "šljašte" kao da su pre 2 sata sišli sa trake

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Филм се помиње и на IMDb, уз интересантан коментар...Citat:'Daleko nebo' is a film by Stjepan Cikes who is mostly known for documentaries. Cikes was employed by Yugoslav Army Film Company and his field of work were aviation documentaries. Thus it comes as no surprise that he directed 'Daleko nebo' a film that can easily be described as 'Top Gun' before actual 'Top Gun'. This is a propaganda piece about a young MiG-21 pilot who experiences a traumatic flight and the tension triggers memories of his lifelong fascination with flight. Among other things this memories include clashes with his mother who tried to prevent him from entering Yugoslav Air Force School in Mostar since his father died as a Yugoslav Army pilot. Afterwards, in school he faces other pressures coming from the fact that his father is a legend among Yugoslav Army pilots. 'Daleko nebo' essentially threads the same path like 'Top Gun'. Both Maverick and the lead character in 'Daleko nebo' share a trauma of loss and thus join a long line of similar inspirational tales. Not unlike Maverick the young pilot in 'Daleko nebo' is an adrenaline junkie at his core and proves it by performing unwarranted parachute jumps and above all by trying to land a malfunctioning plane - a feat that cost his father dearly. Maverick's girl is a teacher a highly fetishistic position in such a male dominated environment while in 'Daleko nebo' the girl is a ballet dancer, quite a bit fetishist occupation in its own right. However, 'Daleko nebo' differs form 'top Gun' by its lack of jingoism. Unlike Maverick who is sent to dogfight with enemy aircraft, Yugoslav heron is sent to inspect an UFO that turns out to be a weather balloon. Eventually, even with all its fetishism it doesn't glamorize Air Force and it is hardly a film that managed to draw some new applicants for Military Academies. Unlike Hollywood, Yugoslav cinema had propagandist agendas that were so scrupulous that at certain point they became ineffective. Cikes on the other hand was a third-rate director and he definitely wasn't the right man for this job. In collaboration with DP Petar Lalovic he managed to capture some classy aerial shots. However, he used a lot of documentary footage and a lot of it matches quite poorly with the rest of the material. Mig-21 is an airplane that rarely starred in a film and Cikes isn't the one to put it on the map like Tony Scott did with F-14. Some details like very spooky astronaut-like suits worn by Mig-21 pilots get lost in Cikes's depiction. Score by Ksenija Zecević cannot exactly match Giorgio Moroder's hipness so the film is burdened by an ethnic-influenced score that really doesn't work out. 'Daleko nebo' is an ideal companion piece to Dejan Sorak's 'Najbolji' because both films were propaganda features about virtues of Yugoslav People's army. However, 'Najbolji' was actually made under exact influence of 'Top Gun' even if its plot is more reminiscent of 'Heartbreak Ridge'. In essence, Yugoslav cinema had quite a lot of success with war films but it fared rather poorly when it came to films about virtues of contemporary military cadre. Military service is an important part of Yugoslav collective memories since it was obligatory but when it comes to cinema, best films about it are those that are actually criticizing it. [Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]

... не знам само како су га приписали Источној Немачкој.

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Ono sto je nelogicno u tom filmu jeste da tako mlad pilot kao Macura odmah iz gimnazije leti na Mig-21.

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Pa nisu bas napisali kao u americkim filmovima "par godina kasnije"....a otprilike u to vreme je avion MiG-21 i uveden i na VVA tj. desetak srecnika bi posle 3 semestra obuke na G-2 otislo u Pulu u 129.LAE na preobuku za MiG-21 (poslednja 2 semestra na akademiji)