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Evo jednog teksta o susretu francuskih Rafala M (F1) sa grckim F-16 Block 52.
Sve je na grckom, tako da nije neka vajda, ali neka ga, nek' se nadje...

















Sa drugih foruma: Rafale je imao bolji skor, za koji se ne moze reci da je 100% tacan. Kada F-16 ispali AMRAAM, pilot dobija informaciju da li je raketa pogodila ili promasila cilj. Izgleda da kod Rafala to ne postoji (?), pa su sva opaljenja racunata kao pogodak. (za ovo nisam siguran, treba proveriti)

Grci su hvalili fuziju senzora, kokpit Rafala, Spectru, kao i raketu MICA-IR. Takodje, zadovoljni su radarom APG-68v9, kao i ECCM-om i LINK-om 16.

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"... Both greek and french pilots flew as backseaters in each other planes. As for the engagements:

4 sorties occured in the morning and 3 in the evening of Tuesday in 2 vs 2 scenarios, in BVR. The greek aircrafts were B52+. On Wednesday 8 sorties with Rafale B in 2 waves (morning, evening), with the partecipation of 1 french pilot and 4 greek backseaters. This time it was 4 vs 4. The greek aircrafts were B52+, B50D, B30.
Something that appeared strange to the greek pilots, was that while according to the HAF policy the pilots were doing the last pre-takeoff check of their planes (Leak check), the French pilots were taking position on the runway without doing so.

The impressions of the greek pilots were variable, as is natural , and their observations quite interesting. The whole of the greek F16 pilots, found the cockpit particularly functional, although a bit small, as is used in all french aircrafts. Also, the best impressions left the glass cockpit advanced disposition. It is known that the high operational output of the Rafale is result of high performance, excellent behaviour and friendly MMI that adopts to the high workload in multirole missions. The existance of so many displays and the characteristical absense of analog instruments, was natural to make a big impression to the greek pilots, who apart the Falcon's MFDs, are used to analog instruments. Some in fact, told us that they would feel more comfortable, if some analog instruments have been kept as backups in cases of malfunction or failiure of the electric system. Of course it is certain that safety valves has been thought, while evolution indicates that full glass cockpit will dominate in the future, as will happen in the case of F35 too.

It is also natural to be impressed by the high situation awareness provided by the Rafale thanks to data fusion. The Rafale, as the greek pilots had the chance to see, can receive tracking data from RBE2, Spectra, OSF, IFF, MICA IR sensors and accompanying aircrafts, ground command and control facilities and AWACS, elaborate them and produce system tracking data (system tracks). These are superior to quality compared to the single data of the individual sensors. This data is then used for fire control and is shown in the central tactical display and can be transmitted to fellow aircrafts. So, at a glance at the tactical display, the pilots can see the position of targets that may be inside the radar cone or outside and even in the rear hemisphere, no matter if the radar is on or off!

Also, it was verified that OSF provides advantage in air combat. As the greek pilots observed, once the target is locked from the radar, its image is then displayed in the central display which facilitates very much the target identification even in great distances.A similar function is provided in the F16 by the Lantirn Pod in air to air mode, with the difference that the backseater can make a search independent of the radar. On the contrary on the Rafale, the OSF is primarily slaved on the radar.

The best of impressions left to the greek pilots the performace of the Rafale's self protection suite, confirming the french reputation in the sector since the time that HAF operated the ICMS2000 in the Mirage2000.

Small reprimands were made to some small but important details, like the fact of the abscense of a countdown timer in the HUD when a BVR missile is flying towards its target. The greek F16 pilots are used to such an indicator on the lower left of the HUD, indicating the "Time On Target" of the Amraam and the time remaining until the Amraam's autonomous seeker is activated. If the missile fails tracking, then the indication "Loose" appears over the locked target on the HUD and the pilot is aware that the shot has failed. Something like this wasn't found on the Rafale, leading to a difficulty in the interpretation of the BVR shots during the engagements. And this, because the French were regarding that after a certain range , a MICA shot was always successful. As a result, the arrival to safe conclusions, was problematic.

Beyond that, it was also commented positively the agility of the Rafale. Of course the greek pilots still think of the F16 as a particularly capable aircraft in dogfight.
In the air, the Rafale is very agile, but for the greek pilots the sense of flying was very different from that of the F16. It was commented as perfectly stable, with very good response in all speeds and manouvers. Very good impressions were also left by the automatic pilot as well as the ability of maintaining very low speed during approach, prior to landing.

... The Rafale certainly proved that it is a very capable aircraft in the hands of the excellently trainned french pilots who have battle experience. The encounter with F16s, gave the greek pilots the opportunity to measure the F16 capabilities against a 4th gen aircraft, while it showed yet another time that the level of HAF pilots is one of the best in NATO airforces. "



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Citat:Also, it was verified that OSF provides advantage in air combat. As the greek pilots observed, once the target is locked from the radar, its image is then displayed in the central display which facilitates very much the target identification even in great distances.A similar function is provided in the F16 by the Lantirn Pod in air to air mode, with the difference that the backseater can make a search independent of the radar. On the contrary on the Rafale, the OSF is primarily slaved on the radar.

Da se malo nadovezem na gore postavljeni tekst.

Vise puta sam nailazio na ovu informaciju iz razlicitih izvora, ali nisam hteo da je komentarisem, jer nisam bio siguran koliko je tacna i da li je to jedina opcija funkcionisanja OSF-a?

U principu, detekciju cilja izvrsava radar, koji prenosi kordinate OSF-u, koji zatim vrsi zahvat, identifikaciju i pasivno pracenje cilja.
Ako je to slucaj, onda se to ne moze nazvati 100% pasivno detektovanje cilja.

Opet se postavlja pitanje, da li je i kod ruskih OLS sistema moguce nezavisno skeniranje VP i pracenje razlicitih ciljeva ako su i radar i OLS ukljuceni?
Zna se da je OLS u mogucnosti da funkcionise bez radara ili u sinhronizaciji sa radarom po pitanju pracenja istih ciljeva.

Moja pretpostavka je da bi OSF trebao da funkcionise i bez pomoci radara.



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"It will be the first fully integrated optronic surveillance and tracking system installed on a European fighter aircraft."

"It is in some ways more advanced than equivalent systems in the USA, says programme manager Thomson Optronique."

"The FSO is slaved to the aircraft sensor system and can work either as a standalone sensor or in conjunction with any other sensor such as the radar, Spectra self-defence system, or missile seeker."

"It scans at the same angular speed and looks at the same area of sky or ground, according to the search/track mode set by the pilot."

"Interception, for example, requires a wide sweep, to look for targets, while combat sweeps involve smaller angles (the figures are classified)."

"The infrared scanner works in the 3-5mn and 8-12mn bands, providing a 3-5mn capability for the first time in the west, says Thomson Optronique commercial director Jean-Claude Vergnères."

"This wavelength provides "considerably better detection capability in humid conditions", he adds."


DATE:09/06/99
SOURCE:Flight International

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- Odličan link gde se konkretno i suštinski objašnjava značaj i uloga napredne elektronike na Dassault Rafale uključujući i FSO ( front Sector Optronic ).
- Snaga FSO pre svega leži u integraciji-sinergiji sa ostalim sistemima, naročito radara RBE ( AESA) čija se serijska ugradnja u Rafale očekuje 2012, mada FSO može delovati nezavisno,kao zasebna jedinica ( long range searhing, detection,tracking and laser range-finding ) neotkrivajujući prisusutvo aviona u vazdušnom etru (pasivan mod).

- Thales’s Front-Sector Optronics (FSO) system is fully integrated into the Rafale to provide covert long-range detection and identification, high-resolution angular tracking and laser range-finding for air, sea and ground targets.

Arrow http://www.thalesgroup.com/Case_Studies/Markets/Ae.....he_rafale/

- Rafale news ( odličan blog ) :

Arrow http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/

- U toku su aktivna testiranja (uvođenje u potrebu do 2012) - Laser AASM first strike on a fast moving target.
- Omogućava se dejstvo na pokretne ciljeve koji se kreću brzinom do 80.Km/h sa distance od oko 18.Km.


















- Zna se da Snecma radi na novoj generaciji motora ( pulse engine). Kako je Eurofighter jedini takmac Rafalu nakon predugog indijskog tendera a ogroman je devizni kolač u pitanju, vrlo je moguće da Dassault na nedavna zameranja Saudijske Arabije što neposeduje supercruisse, unapređenjem postojeće pogonske grupe postigne traženo. I ovako je multirol 4++ generacije na samoj granici stealth. Daljom inplementacijom moderne elektronike može se reći (ako već ne i sada) da je Dassalt Rafale ovu stealth barijeru izbrisao. Stealth termin u tranši 4 tokom 2012 za Rafal će biti punovažan.

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100-ti Rafale Francuskog RV-a, sa brojem 130.



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Rafal D (discrete) je bio demonstator smanjenog odraza ali se od njega odustalo jer nema svrhe ako se naoruzanje nosi van zmaja. Cak i nenaoruzan, Rafal se vidi na solidnoj daljini ako protivnik ima moderan i snazan radar.

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djox ::100-ti Rafale Francuskog RV-a, sa brojem 130.





Stoti Dassault Rafale sa oznakom 130 je primljen u operativnu službu 27.04.2011. Aerodrom baziranja - Bordeaux-Merignac.

U zadnje vreme Rafal se može videti sa trial-test verzijom Metera na nosačima:




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Khm postoji tema koja se bavi kupovinom aviona za nase RV. Sto se tice cene aviona ko sto rekoh to se zna tek kada stignu ponude. Cena koja je bila na jednom tenderu ne mora da vazi i za drugi. Zato bih vas molio da na temama o odredjenom avionu ne raspravljate o cenama i kupovini istog za nase RV.

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Tankiranje Dassault Rafala nad Mediteranom :



Skalp krstareća raketa sa pozamašnim dometom od 250.Km kako navode francuzi je izuzetno razarajuće STAND OFF oružje. Možda grešim, ali mislim da se nepravedno stavlja pod da kažem "neaktuelno" svakodnevno razaranje-bombardovanje Libije, nemilice. Sem Skalp krstareće rakete i Eurofighter razara sa krstarećom Taurus a prate ih u stopu ameri sa JDAM kao i Gripeni. Puko i mizerno demonstriranje sile!

Skalp krstareća raketa :



Da ovo nebude "dovoljno", u primeni je i nova generacija AASM :






Dopuna: 13 Maj 2011 15:47

Nedavna poseta nosaču Charles de Gaulle. Osim odličnih fotografija Dassault Rafal M takođe je kolaž Super Etendera odličan :

Arrow http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=33056

Dassault Rafale u punom svetlu :





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Rafal u razlicitim casopisima, april-maj.

Arrow http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/2011/05/april-and-may-magazines.html

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