F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

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Napisano: 28 Avg 2017 11:27

Izrael potpisao za jos 17

Citat:According to the contract, the planes' delivery will be completed by December 2024.

"This is the third deal for F-35 purchases the Ministry of Defense has penned in the past decade alone," said Dubi Lavie, the head of the Israeli delegation to the US.

"With every series of jets coming off the production line, the American manufacturer has committed to bringing the price for an individual plane down," Lavie added. "We're happy to announce that on this particular deal, the American project manager has successfully negotiated with the manufacturing company to bring down the average per-plane price to below $100 million. This is a significant reduction compared to the planes Israel has brought thus far."

In the first deal, Israel paid $125 million per plane for 19 F-35s in total. In the second deal, the price went down to $112 million per plane for 14 jets. Israel expects the price to drop below $90 million per plane when it approaches the US again for planes for a third flight squadron.

This price reduction came after the Pentagon ordered 50 new jets from manufacturer Lockheed Martin. F-35 jets are considered to be more expensive for the Israeli Air Force compared to those purchased by the US Air Force due to the number of unique systems installed onboard the planes as per the operational requirements made by the IDF.

Citat:The Ministry of Defense has purchased a total of 50 F-35A jets from the advanced fifth-generation. Five jets have already been delivered, and by 2021 Israel is set to receive 33 more from previous deals.

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Dopuna: 28 Avg 2017 19:32

Citat:At the end of 2016, the air force received its first F-35 fighters from the U.S. (and with that country’s financial assistance) – the most expensive planes Israel has ever purchased. Eshel has flown the aircraft 10 times in the past few months. IAF headquarters, under him and his predecessor, Ido Nehushtan, backed the controversial acquisition unequivocally. The plane’s integration, Eshel says, will be a “totally different event” from the air force’s point of view.

“I don’t look at it just as a plane and capability,” he explains. “Before the plane was received, we thought about how to change the air force and adapt it to a fifth-generation fighter, and not the opposite. If we’d done the opposite, we would have only diminished the plane’s capabilities. You need to look at it at a system-wide level – not of the plane, of the whole air force. How the F-35 makes the other planes far more effective, the information it shares with them and with our information center show they can then do so much more thanks to that information. It goes far beyond the fact that it can operate in places that no other plane can.”

A plethora of American media reports claim the plane is a white elephant that will implode, that the project is riddled with hitches and is the most expensive in history. And your response is “Nonsense”?

“[The Americans] embarked on something very ambitious in its capabilities. We already see what this plane has. Not everything is perfect. There are things you learn along the way. That’s been the case with every plane we acquired. But when you take off in this plane from Nevatim [base], you can’t believe it. At 5,000 feet, the whole Middle East is there for you in the cockpit. You see things, it’s inconceivable. American pilots who visit us haven’t seen anything like it, because they fly over Arizona or Florida, and here they suddenly see the [entire] Middle East as a combat zone – the threats, the different players, at both close range and long range. Only then do you grasp the enormous potential of this machine. We’re already seeing it with our eyes.”

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Nešto me kopka ako je Izrael naručio repete F-35, koliko je zaista loš taj lovac? ako su mu slabe letne mogučnosti, mora da mu je elektronika (borbeni sustav) odlična?

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jazbar ::mora da mu je elektronika (borbeni sustav) odlična?

Je l ovo retoricko pitanje?

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jazbar ::mora da mu je elektronika (borbeni sustav) odlična?
Bolje nego ista drugo sto imaju.

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Njegove letne sposobnosti nisu toliko lose, bez obzira sto hvale odziv letelice na komande, nego treba gledati nekoliko decenija napred i uvaziti sta su mogli napraviti za manje para.

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Da vam pokvarim malo idiliu.
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F-35 je veoma složena priča. Zmaj jeste ograničenje i cena je otišlja previsoko, ali ne može se negirati nova generacija avionike. Ona možda ne pruža danas sve mogućnosti, ali je bolje od onoga što je ugrađeno u prethodnu generaciju.

Naravno da će F-35 makljati F-16 na njihovim red flegovima, gde situacija ne bi bila tako drastična da ti F-16 imaju čime parirati. Njihov biznis jeste orijentisan ka prodaji novog i odsustvu izbora. U nekoj paralelnoj realnosti gde je sve moguce, cela Evropa bi pregovara s Rusima oko Su-57.

F-35 će propasti kao banke 2008.

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Leonardo sva ta elektronika razvije za F-35 je mogla čak i lakše da se ugradi u F-15. Pusti ti elektroniku. Ovde je pitanje da li STELT takav kakav ima F-35 nadoknađuje lošije letne karakteristike u odnosu na bilo koji lovački avion 4 generacije. Jer sva elektronika i naoružanje je, ponavljam, mogla još lakše da se ugradi u bilo koju avioniku lovačkog aviona 4. generacije.
U vreme kad prvi skvadron sa F-35 postane stvarno operativan (verovatno negde 2022-23. godine) svi lovački avioni 4++ (Tajfun, Rafal, Mig-35, Su-35) imaće elektroniku, bar kada je reč o vazdušnoj borbi verovatno i bolju ako žrtvuju elektroniku za dejstva po ciljevima na zemlji. Jer za ugradnju te elektronike neće imati ograničenja koja postoje na F-35.

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Eh da nama neko godišnje daje 3.8 milijardi USD vojne pomoći, kupili bi i više nego Izrael

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