SAAB JAS-39 Gripen

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Е да ли су баш на вежби била само 4 ваздушна боја ?

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Kaze da su obe strane imale svoje uspehe i poraze, ali da je u jednom scenariju Gripen pobedio sa 4:0.

Znaci bilo je vise razlicitih scenarija, a Gripen je verovatno pobedio u BVR, jer ono sto je jedna od glavnih mana Flankera to su BVR rakete.
Doduse, takodje kazu i da su koriscene starije, "analogne" verzije "Flankera" koje i nisu bas za poredjenje sa Gripenom.

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Pretpostavljam da se letelo 4 na 4, u BVR Gripen kao dosta manji avion sa novijim radarom uspeo je da otkrije Su27 u nekom od scenarija (verovatno velika visina i idu u susret) i da prvi lansira rakete.
Mada iskreno nemam pojma kako oni vrednuju te BVR simulacije kad niko zivi ne moze da predviti ponasanje rakete u uslovima ometanja, domet i reakciju protivnika odnosno protivraketne manevre.

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Tajfunci obicno pokolju ostalu bratiju na Frisian Flag vezbama ali za Gripen su rekli da uz mali odraz i odlican EW sistem koji imaju bude problema sa njim u BVR. I sada sa ovim novim nabudzenim gripen E im se sva prica vrti oko toga, izgleda ne bas bez razloga. A sada imaju i AESA radar sa IRST, nov EW, data link, i fuziju svih tih senzora uz kako oni kazu najvise "computing power"

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The most powerful type in the service of the Czech Air Force is still the supersonic JAS 39C/D fighter jet. As the lease from Sweden was extended to 2027, this segment of the fleet is taken care of for the time being. Further extension of the lease or any other alternative solutions won't be discussed earlier than in 2020. Upgrade plan for Gripens was approved and some upgrade programs are already starting. For example, the following upgrades are being prepared: integration of NVG, system for encrypted voice communication, new IFF system working in NATO mode 5 and civilian mode S and especially the integration of NATO Link 16 datalink.

One of the biggest changes will be the expansion of operational capabilities of Gripens to include "air to ground" missions. So far the aircraft were "only" used in their main role, which was air space policing, ie. "air defence". It turns out that the Czech Army may be in need of A2G capability, especially in case of deployment abroad or in a situation where the operation radius of L-159 Alca wouldn't be sufficient. For this purpose the upgrade package also includes acquisiton and integration of Mk.82 and Mk. 83 unguided bombs and their guided versions GBU-12 and GBU-16, which should be done in 2018, with expected initial operations capability the following year.

However, it is important to note that the number of aircraft (14), pilots and ground personnel was originally only meant to cover the "air to air" training and QRA duty as part of the NATINAMDS. The new role of Gripen then should be considered more like an add-on to their original purpose. This is only possible as almost all the pilots are now fully trained for the A2A which brings a certain potential for training new types of tasks. The Air Force currently presumes that out of the leased 2100 fleet flight hours a year, approx. one third will be used for the "air to ground" training. If it turns out that the A2G training in any way negatively influences the A2A training, the air defence training will always be preferred.

Together with A2G weapons the Gripens will also gain electro-optical recce and targeting pods. Those, however, can also be used in air combat and for target identification during air policing in adverse weather conditions or at night. The total of 4 pods will be acquired in 2018.

The second half of the lease period will also bring the need for replacement of the current AIM-9M Sidewinder missiles, as their service life will end around 2025 and even now their maintenance support becomes more and more limited. As it seems best for the Czech Republic to "stick" to the original upgrade programs of the manufacturer and other users, the already integrated AIM-2000 IRIS-T missile is one of the replacement options. If in the end this missile was acquired, it would most likely be complemented with the modern helmet-mounted sights, which would be another leap forward in operation capabilities.

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Lepo samo potvrdili ono sto je komandant njihove eskadrile rekao pre par godina u svom intervjuu za jednu Cesku radio stanicu a ja preneo ovde.Da ga citiram jos jednom.

Sa 14 aviona je uz postojeci procenat ispravnosti (od oko 85%) moguce imati jednu dezurnu paru (2+1 u rezerervi) i da ostatak kadra ima na preostalim avionima dobru trenazu za osnovne potrebe u okviru zadataka lovacke avijacije.

za 2 dezurne pare (bilo da idu na Baltik ili treba da poslju negde 4 gripena za potrebe Nato-a) minimum je 16-18 aviona (i bar jos 1 dvosed)...

24 aviona ako bi drzava htela da ima i ofanzivne kapacitete i da piloti komotno mogu da rade i LBA komponentu.

sto je najgore i nasi ljudi iz komande RV i PVO dosli do istog zakljucka pre 10 godina i trazili bar 18 aviona a sada im odjednom i 6-8 postade "taman" (sta ti je "progres")....

Cesi ove svoje "osvajaju" mic po mic...pre 5-6 godina poceli da treniraju tankanje u vazduhu....redovni na vezbama....sada ce dodati v-z komponentu i mogucnost izvidjanja...

Ne mora sve odmah, ali mora se poceti sa nekim razumnim brojem (a to svakako nije 4, 6 ili 8 )...

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