JF-17(FC-1) Thunder

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vek zmaja? a sta je to?maze se na lebac?
salim se naravno
napisah odnos "ulozeno-dobijeno" je za sada sampionski
@stenosa
pouzdane podatke o elektronici nemamo ni za jedan avion.oko ogranicenja na 8G,mislim da su Kinezi pametno uradili jer jos uvek ispituju zmaj i ostale komponente.kod T2 ce sve biti jasnije.
@antibody
Hi my friend..
Can you give us here more information about the evaluation tests between the F16 and JF17?
I am sure it was already done internaly by your pilots,so do you have some info´s what is the biggest advance or disadvance for JF17 according to PAK pilots?
There is always a scepticism on Chinese build electronic parts,like radar ,so could you put some light in the darkness how good(or bed) is the radar on JF17 ?
with best regards
Miki

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@x9
8g je ogranicenje konstrukcije koje se predvidja jos tokom projektovanja. Mozda su isli na sto jeftiniju masinu i sl. ali jeste problem ako ga vec reklamiraju kao jeftini F-16 (ne bas tako ali u tom smislu).

Kad sam rekao pouzdane podatke, mislio sam na specifikacije/kataloge ponudjaca a ne na forumske naslove. Naravno da ti podaci isto nisu preterano pouzdani ali barem mozemo da procenimo sta je od navedenog po forumima priblizno tome.

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koliko ja kontam njegovu namenu,i tamo gde se sada nalazi i pored kojih aparata,mislim da za sada ako je ogranicen na 8G nije veliki problem.ne treba zaboraviti mnogo sofisticiraniji aparat kao F18 koji je isto tako bio ogranicen na nekih 8G pa se proizveo u koliko primeraka i koristi se bez problema koliko dugo.kao sto top gun napisa cekamo taj Blok 2,ali iskreno ni ovom blok 1 za te novce nista ne fali.
imamo li podatak koji mu je thrust-weight ratio?
ne zaboraviti koji je njemu zadatak u pakistanskoj avijaciji.po mom misljenju je on tu negde kao jeftini pandan M2000 u indjskoj floti.veoma veoma interesantan aparat

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- Bočni prikaz JF-17, odlične aerodinamike i finalne izrade. Ono što je vrlina ovog aviona je lak prilaz pojedinim sklopivima i zemaljsko održavanje. Prethodno sam naglasio - UNIQUE DSI, što realno i jeste jdinstveno rešenje DSI usisnika stopljenim uz avion i bočnim konusima isturenim napred što trenutno možemo da vidimp jedino na avionima 5. generacije.

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Slazem se sa iznetim zapazanjima kolege @ VITEZFOREVER i @ x9.Ono sto me interesuje je da li neko zna dokle se stiglo sa razvojem motora WS-13 za ovaj avion ? Cini mi se da se radi na dvema verzijama ovog motora i znam da je prosle godine testiran avion sa ovim motorom.Koliko bi njihov motor pozitivno uticao na ionako primamljivu cenu ovog aviona ? U svaskom slucaju veoma interesantan avioncic.

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Najavili su ga u proizvodnji 2015. Nemaju iskustva i optimalne tehnologije dobijanja legura za pojedine delove moraju dolaziti stalnim pokušajima i probama. Vjačeslav Boguslaev je u jednom intervju rekao da dok originalni motor za L 15 ima resurs 6000 časova, kineska kopija ima 500. Bila je i slika FC 17 za koji se misli da je opremljen sa WS 13, slikan je odpozadi i sleva

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Napisano: 26 Jun 2011 18:12

x9 ::vek zmaja? a sta je to?maze se na lebac?

@antibody
Hi my friend..
Can you give us here more information about the evaluation tests between the F16 and JF17?
I am sure it was already done internaly by your pilots,so do you have some info´s what is the biggest advance or disadvance for JF17 according to PAK pilots?
There is always a scepticism on Chinese build electronic parts,like radar ,so could you put some light in the darkness how good(or bed) is the radar on JF17 ?
with best regards
Miki
hi!

as far as we know , the 8/8.5 g limit is not the limit of the fighter , rather its the limit set during the evaluation and testing process

ive posted a pic of rd93 on previous page--- a southafrican member on defence.pk calculated the thrust to wt ratio of 1.01+ based on that brocure


regarding the dogfight ,the general info is that jft is more menouverable than blk15 f16s, keep in mind the blk15 is the most menouverable f16 version---

i will qoute air commodore sir muradk who has indian kills and he is also a trainer of f16 in foreign countries regarding prototype 06 in 2009
'' A few months ago there was a supersonic boom in Kamra and some ediot from news said that it was a F-7 doing testing yeh sure testing on a fighter which came into the skies in 1958. Thunder was doing ACM with an F-16 and it went into a dive and broke the barrier and the pilot was instructed not to. I read the Initial report the F-16 pilot was quite surprised to see its maneuverability, The total dog fight was 4 min 23 sec long I would say that both were matched evenly.''


the disadvantage in blk1 is probably range/payload but its not that important for paf as india is under 2 minutes flytime , and the use of smart precision guided weapons decreases the requirement of high payload.---

however fuel probe and composites would remove this disadvantage , in the next block.

regarding the radar in blk1---- the chinese radar was tested against italian and french radars and chinese radar was found to be superior in trials.

overal the build quality is very high because of the western input via paf

Dopuna: 26 Jun 2011 18:45

credits munir for these photos

JF-17


F-16



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- I have no doubt - best sollution in actual situation. JF-17 (possible block 2) - new Serbian multipurpose multirole :
- More than simly light intercepetor ! Multirol in any case !

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JF-17 u Izmiru na Air Show Turkey

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PAF Air Refueller was photographed in Chengdu for collaboration with JF-17 development work being carried out.