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Poslao: 12 Sep 2017 14:20
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Rusima treba što veći broj raketnih fregata i korveta kao i podmornice. Nosači aviona im ne trebaju. Rusima je bitna Evropa, Bliski istok i severna Afrika. U ovom momentu u slučaju rata NATO protiv Rusa, zbog recimo Ukrajine ili baltičkih država više je nego verovatno da bi Turska, Grčka i Bugarska ostale manje više neutralne. Pitanje da li bi se i Italija iole ozbiljnije angažovala vojnički čisto sumnjam. Rusima bi jedini ozbiljniji problem bila dva američka skvadrona u Avinjanu i pola britaskog skvadrona na Kipru. Ako bi Izrael ostao neutralan Rusi bi gotovo sigurno zagospodarili istočnim Sredozemljem do linije Tunis - Sicilija - Italija. I to bez većih problema.
J.be se Turcima, Grcima i Bugarima za baltičke države i Ukrajinu. Više sam nego siguran da bi i reakcija Italijana bila više nego mlaka.
Što se tiče Koreje to je kineski problem. A tek što im je bitno ko vlada na pacifičkim ostrvima. Verovatno Putin ne može da spava zbog toga.
Latinska Amerika ima značaj za Ruse samo kao prostor gde mogu Amerima da guraju prst u oko inače im ne treba.
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Registruj se da bi učestvovao u diskusiji. Registrovanim korisnicima se NE prikazuju reklame unutar poruka.
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Poslao: 15 Sep 2017 07:22
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Napisano: 12 Sep 2017 18:10
Za tako nesto, kontrolu Sredozemlja, ce biti idealan, sad vec najavljen, super Gorshkov sa 3M22 tj Cirkonom u naoruzanju.
Ako smo nove nosace otpisali za naredenih desetak ili vise godina, to onda znaci da ni Lider klasa nece pre 2025 -2030.
Dopuna: 15 Sep 2017 8:22
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-p.....rier-22246
Russia hopes to have the infrastructure in place to build an aircraft carrier displacing as much as 115,000 tons by 2020.
That does not, however, mean that Russia will actually build a new aircraft carrier. Moreover, even if the Russians build the right facilities, that does not mean that Moscow will possess the know-how to construct a massive new nuclear-powered supercarrier. Indeed, the Kremlin’s last full-scale carriers were built during the Soviet-era at the Nikolaev shipyards in what is now an independent Ukraine.
"When we build new shipyards and a huge dry dock in the Far East, if there is such a contract, it will be possible to create an aircraft carrier having a displacement of 110,000-115,000 tonnes,” Russian deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin said on the Rossiya-24 new channel according to TASS.
“We will be capable of doing that starting from 2020."
The Russians are building a 114-meter—374 feet—wide dry dock at the Zvezda shipyard in the Russian Far East that might one day build such a large aircraft carrier. Rogozin noted that while the shipyard would be physically capable of building an aircraft carrier, the question of if Moscow needs such a large warship would be up to the Russian military’s general staff.
"We now have no restrictions regarding the tonnage of civil or naval ships we may choose to build there," Rogozin said.
Analysts in Russia told The National Interest that while it is true that Moscow is building a massive new shipyard in the Far East, the project is not a military development. Rather the project is a commercial venture with significant foreign investment from South Korea, which could complicate any attempt to build a military vessel at those shipyards.
Michael Kofman, a research scientist specializing in Russian military affairs at the Center for Naval Analyses, told The National Interest that the Far Eastern shipyards would use a lot of foreign imports.
“The cranes are bought from China,” Kofman said.
Moreover, simply possessing the physical infrastructure to build an aircraft carrier does not mean that Moscow has the technical knowledge to build an 115,000-ton warship. Russia has never built a warship of such size and complexity before in its entire history.
The only comparable vessels constructed during the Soviet-era were the much smaller roughly 55,000-ton Kuznetsov-class carriers. Even Ulyanovsk, a nuclear-powered carrier that was scrapped after 20 percent of construction was completed in 1992, was expected to displace no more than 85,000-tons. Thus, Moscow would have to relearn many of the techniques needed to build such a vessel.
“Having a dry dock does not equal the know-how to build a carrier,” Kofman said.
In any case, Russia is a Eurasian landpower—Moscow does not really have a need for a very large and very expensive aircraft carrier. A more likely scenario is that the Kremlin will invest in a large-deck amphibious assault ship that can be used to project power in Moscow’s immediate periphery.
Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for The National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter: @Davemajumdar.
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Poslao: 02 Mar 2018 15:27
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Ja mislim da je gradnja super nosaca glupost. Bolje da krenu sa gradnjom (stancovanjem) manjih nosaca aviona koji mogu da sluze i ko ledolomci pa bi time Artik i definitivno bio njihov.
Sa dva manja nova nosaca aviona i sa sredjenim Kuzom imali bi tri nosaca aviona dakle jedan uvek raspoloziv.
Jos ako bi dovrsili JAK-43 pa taj bi bio idealan za manje nosace ali i za Kuznjecova:
http://www.aviation-gb7.ru/Jak-43.htm
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Poslao: 02 Mar 2018 16:06
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Pa nije bas da ne treba,sve to stoji da je preskup ali Rusiji je jednostavno neophodan i to se pokazalo na primeru Sirije gde je jedan Kuzja i stitio flotu i vrsio napade sa 5 Mig 29 i 11 Su 33,helikoptere ne racunam.
Sasvim je logican potez praviti super nosac jer pravljenje dva manja bi fakticki znacilo neki sistem Kijev klasa sa jak38 a znamo koliko je taj koncept imao nedostataka,a i koliko bi vremena uzeo razvoj aviona sa vertikalnim poletanjem plus koliko novca.....
Sam projekat super nosaca povlaci za sobom gradnju razaraca Lider koji je neophodan zastiti istog,na kraju ni Kuzja nece vecno,Su 33 polako zavrsavaju svoje a praviti manji nosac od Kuznjecova koji bi ga nasledio bi bilo neozbiljno pa onda bolje da ga ni ne prave.
Mnogo je para slazem se ali ili hrani svoju ili tudju vojsku i samo bih jos dodao da nikako ne mogu da prezalim Varijag i Gorskova za koga plove danas...
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Poslao: 02 Mar 2018 16:15
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Napisano: 02 Mar 2018 16:13
Ali Sirija je pokazala da ako imas jedan nosac to nije dovoljno nebitno koliki je. Zato ja mislim da su tri nosaca (dva manja slicna indijskom Vikrant nosacu) i remontovan Kuznjecov bolja opcija.
Dopuna: 02 Mar 2018 16:15
Vikrant nosac mogu da rade u par brodogradilista u Rusiji, dok super nosac mogu samo u Zvezdi a tu je veliki dok vec rezervisan za pet tankera a verovatno i jos posle toga. Dakle Rusija bi mogla odjednom da radi dva mozda i tri Vikrant nosaca aviona dok bi na supernosac morala da ceka kod se ne zavrsi flota tankera ili da ceka da se neko drugo brodogradiliste opremi ko Zvezda.
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Poslao: 02 Mar 2018 16:25
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Slazem se oko broja ali nije isto kad imas jednog Kuzju sa 16 aviona i Storm sa 80 aviona,razlika je ogromna.
Kuzja je takav kakav je teska avionoseca krstarica za zastitu flote sa mogucnoscu napada na ciljeve na kopnu.
A izgradnjom 2 slicna Kuzji bi se on dosta rasteretio,ali ne verujem da je pametno poceti 2-3 odjednom,tacno se vidi koliko nedostaje Nikolajev brodogradiliste....
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