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trutcina ::Slušam danas na radiju suptilno prekrajanje istorije "iskrcavanje u Normandiji prekretnica u 2 SR " da nije bilo Rusa sad bi Nemački pričali

Odgovorio im Sergej Lavrov clankom u International Affairs

Citat:Unfortunately, however, the memory of Victory is not sacred to all around the world. It is regrettable that there are individuals in Russia who picked up the myths spread by those who want to bury this memory, and who believe that time has come to stop solemn celebrations of Victory Day. The greater the anniversary numbers become, the more we come face to face with the desire to forget.

Bitter as it is to witness, we see the attempts to discredit the heroes, to artificially generate doubts about the correctness of the path our ancestors followed. Both abroad and in our country we hear that public consciousness in Russia is being militarised, and Victory Day parades and processions are nothing other than imposing bellicose and militaristic sentiment at the state level. By doing so, Russia is allegedly rejecting humanism and the values of the “civilised” world. Whereas European nations, they claim, have chosen to forget about the “past grievances,” came to terms with each other and are “tolerantly” building “forward-looking relations.”

Our detractors seek to diminish the role of the Soviet Union in World War II and portray it if not as the main culprit of the war, then at least as an aggressor, along with Nazi Germany, and spread the theses about “equal responsibility.” They cynically equate Nazi occupation, which claimed tens of millions of lives, and the crimes committed by collaborationists with the Red Army’s liberating mission. Monuments are erected in honour of Nazi henchmen. At the same time, monuments to liberator soldiers and the graves of fallen soldiers are desecrated and destroyed in some countries. As you may recall, the Nuremberg Tribunal, whose rulings became an integral part of international law, clearly identified who was on the side of good and who was on the side of evil. In the first case, it was the Soviet Union, which sacrificed millions of lives of its sons and daughters to the altar of Victory, as well as other Allied nations. In the second case, it was the Third Reich, the Axis countries and their minions, including in the occupied territories.

However, false interpretations of history are being introduced into the Western education system with mystifications and pseudo-historical theories designed to belittle the feat of our ancestors. Young people are being told that the main credit in victory over Nazism and liberation of Europe goes not to the Soviet troops, but to the West due to the landing in Normandy, which took place less than a year before Nazism was defeated.

We hold sacred the contribution of all the Allies to the common Victory in that war, and we believe any attempts to drive a wedge between us are disgraceful. But no matter how hard the falsifiers of history try, the fire of truth cannot be put out. It was the peoples of the Soviet Union who broke the backbone of the Third Reich. That is a fact.

The attacks on Victory Day and the celebration of the great feat of those who won the terrible war are appalling.

Notorious for its political correctness, Europe is trying to smooth out “sharp historical edges” and to substitute military honours for winners with “neutral” reconciliation events. No doubt, we must look forward, but we must not forget the lessons of history either.

Citat:Today, distorting the past, Western politicians and propagandists want to make the public doubt the fair nature of the world order that was approved in the UN Charter following World War II. They adopted a policy seeking to undermine the existing international legal system and to replace it with a certain “rule-based order.” They want to create this order based on the principle of “he who is stronger is right” and according to the “law of the jungle.”

This primarily concerns the United States and its peculiar perception of 20th century history. The idea of “two good wars” is still widespread there, as a result of which the United States secured military dominance in Western Europe and a number of other regions of the world, raised confidence in its strength, experienced an economic boom and became the world leader.

Just as enthusiastically as the Europeans, the Americans are creating an image of “militaristic Russia.” However, most of their own history is a sequence of endless wars of conquest. Over 243 years of “American exceptionalism,” interventionism has become an integral part of Washington’s foreign policy. Moreover, the US political elite think of the use of force as a natural element of “coercive diplomacy” designed to resolve a wide range of issues, including domestically.

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Ја сам банован на једном великом јутјуб каналу који се бави другим свјетским ратом кад сам им написао да је дан д обична чарка у поређењу са источним дешавањима. И бијах нападнух од испратих русофоба 😂. На крају крајева кад им је нестало аргумената потегли су бановање са канала. Демократкси нема шта.

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Zaharova danas na pres konferenciji jos ostrija:

"Iskrcavanje u Normandiji nije imalo odlucujuci uticaj na ishod DSR. Ishod je vec bio odlucen pobjedama Crvene Armije, pogotovu u Staljingradu i u Kursku....

Bila je zelja na zapadu da se saceka da Njemacka vojna moc maksimalno oslabi zbog enormnih gubitaka na istoku, a da bi se smanjili gubici zapada"

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Ta haldnoratovska propaganda, sa svojom modernom formom i raznim fobijama, tako skrnavi smrt mnogih, hrabrih, časnih i poštenih ljudi svuda u svetu. Kao i herojstvo, hrabrost i žrtvu onih koji su preživeli.

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Nema to veze sa hladnoratovskom propagandom. To je ideologija, na kojoj oni temelje novi svjetski poredak. Za njih je to istina. U stvari, to i jeste svrha revizije historije, da se da legitimitet danasnjoj politici.

Procitaj ponovo Lavrovljev clanak.

Citat:Today, distorting the past, Western politicians and propagandists want to make the public doubt the fair nature of the world order that was approved in the UN Charter following World War II. They adopted a policy seeking to undermine the existing international legal system and to replace it with a certain “rule-based order.”

Citat:This year, as we took part in Victory Day celebrations, we once again told everyone willing to listen: “Yes, just like our ancestors we are ready to decisively repel any aggressor. But Russians do not want war, and do not want to go through horror and suffering again.” The historical mission of our nation is to guard peace. The peace we are trying to preserve.

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Citat:Nema to veze sa hladnoratovskom propagandom. To je ideologija, na kojoj oni temelje novi svjetski poredak. Za njih je to istina.

Pročitaj opet šta sam napisao.

Počinje tokom Hlandnog rata, a danas ima novu formu.

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Nisi pazljivo citao Lavrova. Citiram:

Citat:As you may recall, even during the Cold War such blasphemy did not exist, although it would seem that an ideological face-off was a perfect setting for it. Few dared to challenge the decisive role of the Soviet Union in our common Victory back then and the standing our country enjoyed during the post-war period, which our Western allies recognised without reservations.

Mjesati hladni rat u ovo je pogresno. Radi se o potpuno novoj ideologiji, novoj doktrini i strategiji, a koja je nastala kao rezultat americke "pobjede" u hladnom ratu.

Ne zaboravi da americka vojna doktrina kao osnovni cilj postavlja borbu protiv pojave nove svjetske sile koja im moze parirati.

Citat:The central challenge to U.S. prosperity and security is the reemergence of long-term, strategic competition by what the National Security Strategy classifies as revisionist powers.

Citat:In support of the National Security Strategy, the Department of Defense will be prepared to defend the homeland, remain the preeminent military power in the world, ensure the balances of power remain in our favor, and advance an international order that is most conducive to our security and prosperity.

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Jasno mi je. Sad sam ukapirao. Danas je situacija mnogo oštirija, gledao sam iz jedne druge perspektive, više pop kulture, no nekog zvaničnog stava.

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Ne znam dal je ikad situacija bila ovako gadna od 45te. Za vrijeme hladnog rata se znalo, balans je bio tu i pravila igre su bila jasna svima.

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babaroga ::Nema to veze sa hladnoratovskom propagandom. To je ideologija, na kojoj oni temelje novi svjetski poredak. Za njih je to istina. U stvari, to i jeste svrha revizije historije, da se da legitimitet danasnjoj politici.

Citat:Мјесати хладни рат у ово је погрешно. Ради се о потпуно новој идеологији, новој доктрини и стратегији, која је настала као резултат америчке "победе" у хладном рату.
Не заборави да америцка војна доктрина као основни циљ поставља борбу против појаве нове светске силе која им мозе парирати.
Mislim da u ovome gore griješiš.
Sve ovo što navodiš dole
Citat:The central challenge to U.S. prosperity and security is the reemergence of long-term, strategic competition by what the National Security Strategy classifies as revisionist powers.
Citat:In support of the National Security Strategy, the Department of Defense will be prepared to defend the homeland, remain the preeminent military power in the world, ensure the balances of power remain in our favor, and advance an international order that is most conducive to our security and prosperity.
figuriralo je kao cilj i u periodu od 9. maja '45. pa do 25. decembra '91.
Razlika je samo u tome što je danas to upakovano u neki i sjajniji i mnogo slojevitiji celofan, ali to je i dalje celofan.
Citat:Не знам да је икада ситуација била овако гадна од 45те. За вријеме хладног рата се зна, баланс је био ту и правила игре су била јасна свима.
E a ovo - generalno gledano je tačno.