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Povratak redovnog služenja vojnog roka u Vojsku Srbije

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Citat:odmah vidim grešku kod Nemačke - oni imaju regrutaciju

Nemaju više od pre par godina. Samo u slučaju pogoršanja bezbednosti u okolini bi se povratilo. Ima samo isto kao u USA neka registracija svih vojno sposobnih ali se ne pozivaju na obuku.



Registruj se da bi učestvovao u diskusiji. Registrovanim korisnicima se NE prikazuju reklame unutar poruka.
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Moja greška, nisam bio u toku. Embarassed

Zaista, već skoro dve godine im je suspendovana obaveza u mirnodopskom periodu, kako je zvanično objašnjeno (na snagu stupilo 1.7.2011.). Obaveza stupa na snagu u slučaju potrebe za stanjem odbrane, kako je definisano nemačkim ustavom/ temeljnim zakonom. Ovo stanje prema definiciji stupa na snagu nezavisno od odluka državnih organa koji to stanje mogu samo potvrditi. Zanimljivo rešenje.

Nemci su se, inače, dugo opirali ukidanju regrutnog sistema upravo radi jedne vrste preventive - kako bi sprečili stvaranje centralizovane i zatvorene vojne klike koja bi mogla da preuzme kontrolu u samoj vojsci a kasnije i državi, kao što se to desilo u periodu koji je prethodio drugom svetskom ratu. Ovo je bilo i pravno uređeno. Ne znam kako je sada (i da li je uopšte) osigurana ta preventiva.

Temeljni zakon SR Nemačke, engleski prevod.

[Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]

Član 115 koji se odnosi na stanje odbrane (ili stanje izvođenja odbrane).Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany ::Xa. State of Defence

Article 115a
[Declaration of state of defence]

(1) Any determination that the federal territory is under attack by armed force or imminently threatened with such an attack (state of defence) shall be made by the Bundestag with the consent of the Bundesrat. Such determination shall be made on application of the Federal Government and shall require a two-thirds majority of the votes cast, which shall include at least a majority of the Members of the Bundestag.

(2) If the situation imperatively calls for immediate action, and if insurmountable obstacles prevent the timely convening of the Bundestag or the Bundestag cannot muster a quorum, the Joint Committee shall make this determination by a two-thirds majority of the votes cast, which shall include at least a majority of its members.

(3) The determination shall be promulgated by the Federal President in the Federal Law Gazette pursuant to Article 82. If this cannot be done in time, promulgation shall be effected in another manner; the determination shall be printed in the Federal Law Gazette as soon as circumstances permit.

(4) If the federal territory is under attack by armed force, and if the competent federal authorities are not in a position at once to make the determination provided for in the first sentence of paragraph (1) of this Article, the determination shall be deemed to have been made and promulgated at the time the attack began. The Federal President shall announce that time as soon as circumstances permit.

(5) If the determination of a state of defence has been promulgated, and if the federal territory is under attack by armed force, the Federal President, with the consent of the Bundestag, may issue declarations under international law regarding the existence of the state of defence. Under the conditions specified in paragraph (2) of this Article, the Joint Committee shall act in place of the Bundestag.

Article 115b
[Power of command of the Federal Chancellor]

Upon the promulgation of a state of defence the power of command over the Armed Forces shall pass to the Federal Chancellor.

Article 115c
[Extension of the legislative powers of the Federation]

(1) The Federation shall have the right to legislate concurrently for a state of defence even with respect to matters within the legislative powers of the Länder. Such laws shall require the consent of the Bundesrat.

(2) To the extent required by circumstances during a state of defence, a federal law for a state of defence may:

1. make temporary provisions concerning compensation in the event of expropriation that deviate from the requirements of the second sentence of paragraph (3) of Article 14;

2. establish a time limit for deprivations of freedom different from that specified in the third sentence of paragraph (2) and the first sentence of paragraph (3) of Article 104, but not exceeding four days, for cases in which no judge has been able to act within the time limit that normally applies.

(3) To the extent necessary to repel an existing or imminently threatened attack, a federal law for a state of defence may, with the consent of the Bundesrat, regulate the administration and finances of the Federation and the Länder without regard to Titles VIII, VIIIa and X of this Basic Law, provided that the viability of the Länder, municipalities, and associations of municipalities, especially with respect to financial matters, is assured.

(4) Federal laws enacted pursuant to paragraph (1) or clause 1 of paragraph (2) of this Article may, for the purpose of preparing for their enforcement, be applied even before a state of defence arises.

Article 115d
[Urgent bills]

(1) During a state of defence the federal legislative process shall be governed by the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this Article without regard to the provisions of paragraph (2) of Article 76, the second sentence of paragraph (1) and paragraphs (2) to (4) of Article 77, Article 78, and paragraph (1) of Article 82.

(2) Federal Government bills that the Government designates as urgent shall be forwarded to the Bundesrat at the same time as they are submitted to the Bundestag. The Bundestag and the Bundesrat shall debate such bills in joint session without delay. Insofar as the consent of the Bundesrat is necessary for any such bill to become law, a majority of its votes shall be required. Details shall be regulated by rules of procedure adopted by the Bundestag and requiring the consent of the Bundesrat.

(3) The second sentence of paragraph (3) of Article 115a shall apply to the promulgation of such laws mutatis mutandis.

Article 115e
[Joint Committee]

(1) If, during a state of defence, the Joint Committee by a two-thirds majority of the votes cast, which shall include at least a majority of its members, determines that insurmountable obstacles prevent the timely convening of the Bundestag or that the Bundestag cannot muster a quorum, the Joint Committee shall occupy the position of both the Bundestag and the Bundesrat and shall exercise their powers as a single body.

(2) This Basic Law may neither be amended nor abrogated nor suspended in whole or in part by a law enacted by the Joint Committee. The Joint Committee shall have no power to enact laws pursuant to the second sentence of paragraph (1) of Article 23, paragraph (1) of Article 24, or Article 29.

Article 115f
[Use of Federal Border Police – Extended powers of instruction]

(1) During a state of defence the Federal Government, to the extent circumstances require, may:

1. employ the Federal Border Police throughout the federal territory;

2. issue instructions not only to federal administrative authorities but also to Land governments and, if it deems the matter urgent, to Land authorities, and may delegate this power to members of Land governments designated by it.

(2) The Bundestag, the Bundesrat and the Joint Committee shall be informed without delay of the measures taken in accordance with paragraph (1) of this Article.

Article 115g
[Federal Constitutional Court]

Neither the constitutional status nor the performance of the constitutional functions of the Federal Constitutional Court or its judges may be impaired. The law governing the Federal Constitutional Court may be amended by a law enacted by the Joint Committee only insofar as the Federal Constitutional Court agrees is necessary to ensure that it can continue to perform its functions. Pending the enactment of such a law, the Federal Constitutional Court may take such measures as are necessary to this end. Determinations by the Federal Constitutional Court pursuant to the second and third sentences of this Article shall be made by a majority of the judges present.

Article 115h
[Expiry of electoral terms and terms of office]

(1) Any electoral terms of the Bundestag or of Land parliaments due to expire during a state of defence shall end six months after the termination of the state of defence. A term of office of the Federal President due to expire during a state of defence, and the exercise of his functions by the President of the Bundesrat in case of the premature vacancy of his office, shall end nine months after the termination of the state of defence. The term of office of a member of the Federal Constitutional Court due to expire during a state of defence shall end six months after the termination of the state of defence.

(2) Should it be necessary for the Joint Committee to elect a new Federal Chancellor, it shall do so by the votes of a majority of its members; the Federal President shall propose a candidate to the Joint Committee. The Joint Committee may express its lack of confidence in the Federal Chancellor only by electing a successor by a two-thirds majority of its members.

(3) The Bundestag shall not be dissolved while a state of defence exists.

Article 115i
[Powers of the Land governments]

(1) If the competent federal bodies are incapable of taking the measures necessary to avert the danger, and if the situation imperatively calls for immediate independent action in particular areas of the federal territory, the Land governments or the authorities or representatives they designate shall be authorised, within their respective spheres of competence, to take the measures provided for in paragraph (1) of Article 115f.

(2) Any measures taken in accordance with paragraph (1) of this Article may be rescinded at any time by the Federal Government, or, with respect to Land authorities and subordinate federal authorities, by Minister-Presidents of the Länder.

Article 115k
[Rank and duration of emergency provisions]

(1) Laws enacted in accordance with Articles 115c, 115e and 115g, as well as statutory instruments issued on the basis of such laws, shall suspend the operation of incompatible law so long as they are in effect. This provision shall not apply to earlier law enacted pursuant to Articles 115c, 115e or 115g.

(2) Laws adopted by the Joint Committee, as well as statutory instruments issued on the basis of such laws, shall cease to have effect no later than six months after the termination of a state of defence.

(3) Laws containing provisions that diverge from Articles 91a, 91b, 104a, 106 and 107 shall apply no longer than the end of the second fiscal year following the termination of a state of defence. After such termination they may, with the consent of the Bundesrat, be amended by a federal law so as to revert to the provisions of Titles VIIIa and X.

Article 115l
[Repeal of emergency measures – Conclusion of peace]

(1) The Bundestag, with the consent of the Bundesrat, may at any time repeal laws enacted by the Joint Committee. The Bundesrat may demand that the Bundestag reach a decision on this question. Any measures taken by the Joint Committee or by the Federal Government to avert a danger shall be rescinded if the Bundestag and the Bundesrat so decide.

(2) The Bundestag, with the consent of the Bundesrat, may at any time, by a decision to be promulgated by the Federal President, declare a state of defence terminated. The Bundesrat may demand that the Bundestag reach a decision on this question. A state of defence shall be declared terminated without delay if the conditions for determining it no longer exist.

(3) The conclusion of peace shall be determined by a federal law.



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Kada ce biti uvedeno redovno sluzenje vojnog roka?

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pošto trenutno služim dobrovoljni vojni rok ima dvojica momaka skojim služim kojima je rodbina u generalštabu pa su tu tako reći i preko veze al kako su oni čuli od te svoje "veze" da od Marta 2014 kreće redovno služenje. E sad da li je žešća patka il ne nem pojma. Al to je opet ono "rekla kazala" pa dok nešto ne izađe konkretno iz vojske ovo ostaje samo diskusija

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За почетак би било добро да служење омогуће свима који то желе.

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Stevan Musić ::od Marta 2014 kreće redovno služenje.
To ne bi bilo u skladu sa demokratskim principima koje tezimo da postignemo. U jednoj demokratskoj zemlji vojska nije potrebna jer se problemi ne resavaju ratom bla bla bla bla bla Laughing

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Citat:Mi imamo problem zato sto je nedovoljno formacijskih mesta za vojnike. Licno, mislim da je previse jedinica ukinuto. A kako ne bi kada su jedno vreme ministri vojni i vrhovni komandanti bili ljudi koji mrze svoju vojsku.

Slazem se, ali to je posledica cestog smenjivanja vlasti (te hocemo u NATO, te necemo). A svaka promena strukture debelo kosta. Za pocetak, voleo bih da se bar kapaciteti centara za obuku povecaju, pa ako nista drugo nek prodju kvalitetnu osnovnu obuku. Mislim da je to trenutno naj jeftinija varijanta, za odrzavanje koliko toliko solidne borbene gotovosti. A onda vezbe, na kojima bi i ponavljali nauceno a neki mozda i ucili neke specijalisticke vestine. Ipak i to dosta kosta, ali mislim da kosta manje nego drzati svu tu vojsku 9-12 meseci.
U svakom slucaju nedostaje tehnika, ali i obucavati pesadiju je bolje od ovoga sada i predstavlja osnovu svega. Nadam se da ce neko od odgovornih izraditi neku ozbiljnu studiju o tome, ako vec nije.

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Vojni rok može da traje koliko i sada, samo ga treba uvesti u obavezu.

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@rade012, zar nije problem smestaj regruta s obzirom da godisnje bude max 2000?

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rade012 ::Vojni rok može da traje koliko i sada, samo ga treba uvesti u obavezu.

Треба ли да служе и жене? Пошто сад имамо "војникиње" и "официрке".

И имате ли простора за 40-80 хиљада регрута годишње?

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