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Ovo je stvarno zanimljivo i treba da se prokomentarise,hvala kolegi `Toni` za postavljanje ovog citata na temu o `prvom zalivskom ratu tj operaciji pustinjska oluja` .
Toni ::Citat:Iraqi sources claimed that on Jan. 4, 1991 – 13 days before the U.S.-led coalition launched Operation Desert Storm — Iraqi fighters intercepted a formation of Israeli F-15s over western Iraq and shot down one of the Eagles near the H-3 air base complex.
Years later, retired Iraqi brigadier general Ahmad Sadik not only repeated the claim, but insisted he inspected the resulting wreck. According to him, the downed F-15 hit the ground with such a force that the largest piece of wreckage left intact was pilot’s boot, still containing most of the foot of its dead wearer.
Sadik added that some other pieces of wreckage were sent to Iraqi air force intelligence in Baghdad. And 12 years later in 2003, American troops looted the office and destroyed the F-15’s remains.
The next Iraqi claim was much better substantiated. On Jan. 30, 1991, two Iraqi air force MiG-25PDS Foxbats scrambled to intercept a pair of U.S. Air Force Eagles patrolling between Baghdad and the Iranian border. Due to atmospheric disturbances, the Iraqi ground control vectored both interceptors to a bogus target. One MiG fired an R-40 missile, which detonated but hit nothing.
Shortly after, the same MiG-25s attacked a pair of American F-15Cs east of Khan Bani Sa’ad. Facing severe electronic countermeasures, the lead Foxbat was able to fire only one R-40RD from 12 miles. By then, one of the Eagles fired two Sparrows in return. Seeing the F-15C going down and deploying flares in attempt to avoid, the lead Iraqi pilot concluded his R-40 detonated close enough to cause serious damage.
The two Sparrows missed their target as the Foxbat made a sweeping, left-hand turn toward the north. Undaunted, the other U.S. pilot fired three additional AIM-7Ms in quick succession – but all the missiles’ rocket motors failed to fire. The frustrated Eagle flier then had to break to the south in order to avoid the second Foxbat.
As the two MiG-25s stampeded back in direction of Tammuz air base west of Baghdad, they were nearly caught by another pair of F-15s. The last of three Sparrows fired at them impacted the runway 10 feet behind the rear Foxbat as it was landing.
Meanwhile, Iraqi ground radars were tracking the retreat of the first pair of F-15s. The radar operators concluded that one of the Eagles slowed while descending and probably crashed inside Saudi Arabia. Correspondingly, the lead Iraqi Foxbat pilot was credited with a probable kill. This was upgraded to a confirmed kill after a Bedouin smuggler reported the wreckage of an F-15 buried somewhere in northern Saudi Arabia.
Actually, no F-15C was shot down during that engagement – or, indeed, in any other air combat during Desert Storm. The U.S. Air Force did lose two F-15Es — one during the night of Jan. 17, 1991, another two days later – but both of these were credited to ground defenses. There’s no firm evidence of any Eagle ever being shot down in air combat.
But weirdly, one F-15 almost ended up in hostile hands. Sometime in late 1990, during the military build-up prior to Desert Storm, the pilot of a Saudi F-15C — upset at the prospect of fighting fellow Arabs — defected to Sudan with his plane.
The Pentagon issued a warning to all of aircrews about a possible rogue F-15. The affair ended in a matter of days, thanks to a quick reaction by the Saudi government. Word is that Riyadh paid about $50 million to Khartoum to return the fighter.
http://warisboring.com/part-two/
Boldovano ? Aha, jeste ,sigurno .Konkretan dogadjaj od 30 jan . je pomenut i ovde na temi ,kolega `Zandar` je to postavio neki dan ...
 https://www.mycity-military.com/Avioni/MIG-25-Foxbat_115.html#p2039352
Ranije je pisano da je prvi direktan dvoboj izmedju MiG-25 ( sirijski ) i F-15 ( izr ) zavrsio pobedom ovog prvog i to 1980g a da bi se ovi drugi revansirali ili osvetili kako god ,prave zamku 13 feb 1981g pomocu pare izvidjaca RF-4E i jednog PDS prvo pogadja PAVR RS PVO `Hok` da bi padajuci avion pogodili i sa Sperou lansiram od F-15 .Vec jula im se Sirijci revansiraju i opet obaraju F-15 a tokom golanskog rata ( Rat za Galileju ) 1982 oni gube 2 PDS.Sirijci su priznali gubitak 3 MiG-25 pocetkom 80tih i posteno ,stvarno posteno .Sta su to priznali Ameri i Izraelci ? Na temi o vazd. ratu u Koreji sam pisao da je svako svog konja hvalio tj svako je pisao i brojao skorove na svoju ruku i po svojoj volji ,bez imalo simpatija prema Rujama ili Amerima ,realno .
Ruje su mi omiljeni ,neka su ,nasi su ,to mi moze biti neko opravdanje ali sto su Ameri i posebno Izraelci po tom pitanju lazovi kad moram ovako i falsifikatori tj izmisljatori sto kaze moj mali bratanac jer oni misli da je to izraz za nekog ko izmislja ,hehe. To zaista nema mere ni granice .Ameri lazu i falsifiikuju tj preuvelicavaju jos od Koreje ,to je nesporno ,oni oborili pa jedno 800 ili 900 MiG-15 ( nije ih tada ni bilo toliko sve ukupno u Andunu i NRK ) a izgubili ma mozda 100,200 ne vise.Kasnije kad se slegla prasina a sto je meni bilo najsimpaticnije cak su i ostrasceni zapadni novinari i analiticari prihvatili verovali ili ne upravo sovjetske/ruske izvestaje o tom skoru kao najrealnije .
Sa americkih 10 ili cak u jednom momentu 14:1 spalo se na to da je u pojednim periodima korejskog rata odnos obaranja bio 8:1 u sovjetsku korist. Kad se lovcima F-86 dodaju svi Efovi i `B` i ostali avioni na kraju rata je to bilo realno oko 1000 oborenih aviona i pazimo po zapadnim priznanjima najvise oko 350 MiG-15/bis ,koliki je to na kraju odnos bio ?
10 godina nakon SK sledi jos veca njihova blamaza ,slom i to na nebu `Nama` kako oni kazu ,prava je istina da su ih MiG-17 i 21 tako sekli na nebu da vise nisu znali sta ce pa su onda tamo negde 1968 zvali u pomoc cuvenog puk. Dzona Bojda da im sredi situaciju a marta 1969 osnovali taj cuveni Top Gan .
Citat:In 1968, Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Admiral Thomas Hinman Moorer ordered Captain Frank Ault to research the failings of the U.S. air-to-air missiles used in combat in the skies over North Vietnam. Operation Rolling Thunder, which lasted from 2 March 1965 to 1 November 1968, ultimately saw almost 1,000 U.S. aircraft losses in about one million sorties.The United States Navy Fighter Weapons School was established on 3 March 1969, at Naval Air Station Miramar, California. . At that time, the predominant enemy aircraft were the Russian-built transonic MiG-17 'Fresco' and the supersonic MiG-21 'Fishbed'.
Davno sam za film `TG` pisao da je mnogo vise mjuzikl nego pravi film s obzirom na zaista odlicnu ,kvalitetnu mjuzu u istom ali sama radnja,izmisljeni MiG-28 i sve ostalo je jedno veliko `BS` kako oni preko bare vole da kazu .Scena kad se u filmu pominje u ucionici TG skor na pocetku rata od ne znam 5:1,8:1 ili 10:1 u njihovu korist je toliko nebuloza i nidje veze sa stvarnim stanjem, kakvo je bilo .Bili iko pametan,normalan pa evo i lud ( secate se Marinka Cutuka kad kaze `da sam normalan poludio bi ` ) osnovao skolu poput TG da u ratu ima skor protiv protivnika a jedno 10:1 ???
Jeste sto kaze onaj mali ciga u kadru na YT- kanalu .Naravno da ne bi ,zasto su je osnovali ,pa imamo odgovor u citatu gore .Niko Amerima nije kriv sto su u Koreji bili sa lovcima koji imaju samo mitraljeze protiv manjih ,okretnijih i agilnijih MiG -uski sa mocnim/ razornim topovima ,niko im nije kriv sto su istu maltene stratesku gresku napravili deceniju kasnije kad su sa teskim lovcima ulazili u BVB i to bez topova samo sa radarima i raketama koji nisu valjali prebijene pare protiv daleko manevribilnijih MiG- 17 i 21 .
Samo cu ovo ubaciti , Amer pilot Robin Ods koji je imao 4 vazd pobede je 1975 g izjavio sledece :"Da smo mi imali MiG-21 odnos obaranja bi bio 50:1 u nasu korist".Treba li bolji opis onog sta se desavalo na nebu iznad Vijetnama ? Na nekoj od predhodnih strana stoji veoma slican citat jednog izr. generala u vezi sirijskih MiG-25 ,dakle u istom tonu i sa istim ciljem ,sta vise reci po tom pitanju nego kad te protivnik pohvali ?
MiG uske i posade Dvina su zasluzne sto su mnogi Efovi ostavili svoje metalne kosti u zemlji tog istog Nama .Izrailjci ??? Jooooj ,tek oni ,pisali su da su 1982 g u onom cuvenom ratu za Galileju ( kasnije se to produzilo sve na opsti rat protiv Libana uz svesrdnu amer. pomoc ) ,dakle pisali da je skor bio 85:0 ,ihaaaaa .
Sovjetski podaci tog vremena uz pomoc sirijskih kazu sledece ,dakle Sirijci: jeste izgubili smo ali ne 85 nego 68 aviona ,u redu izgubili pa i moraju ,rat je pobogu ,gine se,vazdusni rat, vazd borbe ,neko ima bolju a neko losiju taktiku borbene primene LA . Obaras ali i bavis oboren to je tako ,jednostavno ,normalno ali nije normalno i za ocekivati da kazes, aha mi pobedili ,rezultat je 85:0 .
Sta je meni tu najveca scena ,cuveni njihov novinar ( nadam se vecini poznat ) Shlomo Aloni koji inace godinama pise za neke renomirane zapadne casopise poput AFM ,dodje na kraju visegodisnje analize do zakljucka i to sledeceg : Sirija izgubila 68 aviona a im Izraelci 23 aviona .E u tom grmu lezi zec ,Shlomo kaze istu cifru koju su ranije izneli Sirijci i Sovjeti i jos dodao i ono sto su ovi ranije rekli takodje ,protivnicka strana je izgubila 23 aviona,u redu odnos 3:1 ,moze .
Koliko nas zna da je jedan MiG-21 uspeo da obori izr. F-15D ( da D , dvosedi D ) a to je javno priznao i o tome pisao upravo S.Aloni ,koliko je poznato da su sirijski MiG-23 obarali redom i F-15 i F-16( po 5 kom oba tipa ) .Licno poznajem jednog naseg bivseg oficira koji je za vreme preobuke tehn. sastava u SSSR upoznao sir. pilota 23ke ( dosao na preobuku za MiG-29 ) a koji je od predsednika Hafeza al Asada dobio casovnik kao nagradu za obaranje jednog izr. F-15.
Posto je tema MiG-25 ,jeste obarao je izraelske i verovatno ovaj amer. F-15 te onaj Hornet ,dosta iranskih borbenih aviona od strane irackih eto i ovaj izr. F-15 te naravno bio obaran , 3 su oborili Izr. 3 Ameri, 2 tokom jan 1991 i jednog sa F-16D dec 1992 ,prvo obaranje sa AIM-120,obarali ga Iranci ,obaran i sa RS PVO itd .
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