Kineski lovac pete generacije J-20

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Kineski lovac pete generacije J-20

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Besotted ::Samo vas slusam kako se frljate jos uvek sa podastavanjem kineza i tehnoloskog skoka sto su izveli u 20+ godina!
Dosta vas kao pokloni kompliment a ond aga us.re kada kazu da su oni jos u kamenom dobus to se tice radara, senzora, fuzije svih sistema i raketa...
Mislim Berkut je opet odneo prvo mesto ali za njim kaska jos neko drustvance..
Toliko ekspretnih izjava sa potpuno nepotkrepljenim cinjenicama, nisam video odavno. Bitno je da se udara kao Maxim po diviziji cisto da se nesto napise da bi izgledalo da se razumemo u tematiku a to sto kinezi stancuju avione 4, 4+ i V gen je njosra, naravno.
Zuti divljaci, koji samo stancuju jeftine stvari (izuzev najskupljih i basnoslovno skupih porcelanskih iz svih dinastija).
Nekako me to muci, kako izbacuju plastiku (i od koga su ukrali tu tehnologiju majku im zutacku) a ovamo imaju najfiniji providni porcelan koji ide i preko $20.000.000 po setu od 6 soljica i cajnikom u Christie's?
Mnogo samo naivno kada bacamo toliko love na plastiku ili na neke kvazi-avion V gen koji nema DOBRE VERTIKALCE, IMA OCAJNE MOTORE KOJI NEMAJU STEALTH KOJEG SMO VIDELI NA T-50 I SL GLUPOSTI!


@Besotted,moja skromna preporuka svima koji se kako kazes frljaju,sa
kinezima je da procitaju knjigu Samuela P. Huntingtona, Sukob civilizacija
bice im mnoge stvari puno jasnije.



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Na prvom mestu ovo je veliko iznenadjenje. Posto sam ocekivao da ce raditit na J-10B, JF-17, J-11/15 i "stelt" verziji FH-7. A da ce prototip visenamenskog stelt aviona izbaciti do 2015.

Ono sto se da odmah uociti jeste da su usisnici, krilo i zadnjih vertikalni stabilizator po obliku najblizi F-35. Ranije kada sam govorio o tome kakav su JSF trebali da naprave, naravno bez STOVL verije, opisivao sam avion izgleda vrlo slicnog J-20. U klasi sa F/A-18SH. Bitna stavka jeste koliko je neki avion jednostavan za izradu. Mislim da su o tome vodili dosta racuna.

Ukoliko razviju zadovoljavajuce RAM materijale, premaze i osvoje proizvodnju modernih kompozitnih materijala (makar uvoz za pocetak) sudeci po obliku aviona, mozda ne iz prednje polusfere, ali sveukupno gledano mogu postici manji radarski odraz od onog koji ce imati F-35 i T-50.

Kao sto ni T-50 nece imati u startu adekvatne motore ne treba ih ni ovde ocekivati. Ukoliko kupe poslednji Su-35 i osvoje tehnologiju koja se ugradjuje u njega. Uz adekvatan AESA radar, kao i novu generaciju raketa (makar unapredjenje postojecih) do trenutka kada ga uvedu u naoruzanje predstavljace vrlo nezgodnog protivnika. Avion ce imati dobar dolet uz ajde da kazem adekvatan potisak.

Rusi sigurno imaju drugacije zahteve. Njima je potrebna zamena za vise tipova aviona. Kako ne mogu da naprave cistokrvni lovac koji bi imao i ulogu bombardera uz novu generaciju presretaca, drugim recima dva umesto jednog aviona, malo su kompromitovali stelt. Pored zamene za Su-27/MiG-29 potrebna im je i za MiG-31.

Sudeci po tempu prilikom razvoja J-10 i JF-17 prvu eskadrilu bi trebalo ocekivati negde izmedju 2015 i 2017. Naravno predserija.

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Jos jedan tekst Arrow http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=5341327&c=ASI&s=AIR


Citat:China's 5th generation stealth fighter program took a noticeable step forward this week when the first high-resolution photographs appeared on Chinese non-governmental websites of a prototype of the Chengdu J-20 fighter being built for the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF)

In the photos, the J-20 appears to be conducting a high-speed taxi test. There have been suggestions the photographs are fake, including questions over the unusually large Chinese red star painted on the tail. PLAAF red star insignias are normally smaller with parallel adjacent red bands.

In the past, due largely to grainy photos taken by cell phones, the existence of the J-20 was treated with some skepticism by many observers.

However, the newest photos are "the real deal," said Richard Fisher, an Asia military affairs analyst at the Washington-based International Assessment and Strategy Center.

The photos reveal the J-20 has a canard-delta twin-engine configuration, diverter-less supersonic intakes, and a shaped nose consistent with the use of an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.

The J-20 design is similar to the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and the Sukhoi T-50 fighters. Sources indicate the twin-engine J-20 prototype could be using the Russian-built Saturn 117S (AL-41F1A) engine, the same being used in the T-50 and Su-35 prototypes. China has expressed interest in procuring large quantities of the Saturn 117S from Russia and rumors at the recent Zhuhai Airshow in China indicate a J-20 prototype had been outfitted with the 117S.

There is also the possibility the prototype is being outfitted with the Chinese-built Shenyang WS-10 or WS-15 engine.

"At first glance this fighter has the potential to be competitive with the F-22 and to be an efficient F-35 killer," Fisher said. Fisher is the author of the new book, "China's Military Modernization."

The release of the J-20 photos follows comments made last week by U.S. Pacific Commander Robert Willard in the Japanese media that China had reached the "initial operational capability" of its first anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), the Dong Feng 21D. The DF-21D has been dubbed the "aircraft carrier killer" in China, a reference to China's overall anti-access and area denial (A2/AD) strategy.

China's ability to undermine two critical pillars of U.S. deterrence in Asia, with the ASBM and now with the advent of its first 5th generation fighter, "points to a real crisis in U.S. political-military leadership" in Asia, Fisher said.

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Citat:There are videos, but no one dears to post it.

Or if someone do posts it, it will be deleted immediately. You should know, we have no access to Youtube, the only option would be posting it on China's domestic videosharing sites, like youku.com. And that means immediate delete.




http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.ph.....ost5383668

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China's J-20 Stealth Fighter In Taxi Tests
By Bill Sweetman

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_gener.....xi%20Tests

Citat:The J-20 is a single-seat, twin-engine aircraft, bigger and heavier than the Sukhoi T-50 and the F-22. Comparison with ground-service vehicles points to an overall length of 75 ft. and a wingspan of 45 ft. or more, which would suggest a takeoff weight in the 75,000-80,000-lb. class with no external load. That in turn implies a generous internal fuel capacity. The overall length is close to that of the 1960s General Dynamics F-111, which carries 34,000 lb. of fuel.

Otprilike dugacak je oko 22.5m

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Jedna "panoramska" fotografija....

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Besotted ::Sta rece sada Sale i ostade ziv?! Kako nije bio prototip kada su ga uradili u vise primeraka i svaki je posle osvajanja fly-off-a imao zadatak da ispita sve nove tehnologije, motore, TVC, Radar, stealth performanse u odnosu na 20-ak domacih a uglavnom stranih zarobljenih radara i sitema ranog upozorenja ruske tehnologije...
On se malo promenio od te faze do finalne verzije koja je sada u upotrebi. Male finese, zaoblenjiji tipovi na krilima, manje naglaseno staklo kokpita ali su braca blizanci u pitanju.

Pa nisu bas male finese. Znam da su nastali kao prototipovi ali je izmenama to prakticno postao prvi primerak redizajniranog YF-22, tacnije prvi F-22. Po prototipu se radi serija, a koliko god bili slicni ili blizanci ako hoces, serija nije radjena po YF-22. Ostao ja ziv ili ne, tako je. Jel smatras YF-17 za prototip F/A-18?

djox ::

Ovde dobro izgleda. Ako bude neki ovakav, uz originalne Cajna motore, radare i sta jos treba (ruper cruz, super manevarbilnost...), idemo na Dunav, necu imati zamerke. I ne samo to, nego bi onda mogao da pocnem i ja da zastupam ideju da uzmemo i mi Kineza (ali samo nekog poput ovog). Postacu izdajica, i to njagori, izdacu samog sebe Crying or Very sad .

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Aha uzecemo mi ovakav avion ali u maketi 1/48. Smile

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